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tdekeyser

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After getting scammed, then finally doing a first cycle, I am here to say that it was not worth it.

I added it up, and I have spent $800 on losses from scammed, AS, protien, vitamins, glutamine, food, and pins.

It is now the 10th week, and I have gained like 5 lbs. The cycle was 300ml/week decca & 200-400/week EQ. I was going to extent it another 5 weeks and throw some Sust250 in there, but I should save it when I can get back on my feet and really try to do this again sometime. I am just very dissapointed so far......

I have heard every suggestion in the book, but the best suggestion to newbies is this:

Don't be fooled that lower doseges of AS is the safe way to go. It may be, but you are not going to gain shit unless you inject a shitload of gear and take the chances of sides! Lower dosages just wastes the entire thing! I could have done the decca at 500ml/week for 6 weeks and would have had better gains and saved $$!
 
Do you have joint problems or something. Why the fuck would you only us eq and deca. I guess you were not worried about building muscle on repairing you joints.

Try educating yourself, before you throw you money away.
 
bro it sounds like you have no clue what your doing. come on you asked for a cycle instead of doing your research and coming up with one on your own. and if you would have done this you would have realized eq and deca dont mix well and especially at those weak ass doses. eq at 200 for any period of time is worthless.
 
actually deca and eq is a very nice stack, the doses where to low my friend, you should run deca at least 450mg for ten weeks, and eq at 600mg a week, try that, and then tell me you are disappointed. Make it even better and throw some d-bol in the first 4-5 weks at 30-40mg ed. I did this cycle great gains, later
 
Sorry to hear about the scamming...that sucks. It pays to do your homework on sources. I'm cash poor so I make small orders instead of big ones...haven't had a problem yet.

I think a lot of people talk about recommended dosages but nobody ever mentions or asks about bodyweight. If you are a big mofo then you need lots of AS. I'm less than 200lbs so I'd probably blow up like a baloon on a modest cycle...I'll find out soon enough.

General opinion seems to be that EQ and Deca hit the same receptors so they aren't going to work synergistically. You would have been better off with test or winny with either of the above.
 
Nimrod25 said:



I doubt that, which one?
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I still have the email, but out of respect for the great jobs they are doing, it will not be displayed.

I did not want the sides, so I went with EQ/decca. I had no sides whatsoever, so next time it will be with no holding back. What I am frustrated with is that I was under the assumption that if you have 2000ml of AS, you could either take 400ml for 5 weeks or 200 for 10 weeks and get the same results. NOT TRUE.
 
I disagree with your take on the low doses for newbies

first cycle I did 250 mg ara/200 mg eq, every five days for only six weeks and got 15 lbs., all of which I've kept, no sides (slight acne for 2 weeks at the end)

I wanted to make sure I wasn't hyper-prone to gyno

started at 6'1", 205, now at 220 and holding, two months post cycle

15 lbs. might not sound like much to some of you who are going after 30 lbs. on every cycle, but it was what I wanted, expected, and I now know, what my body can handle

and guess what?...I don't have to use 1000mg test and 600 mg of whatever for my next cycle...in fact, next cycle will be 500 mg omna only, and I'll bet you I get another 20 lbs. and keep 15

no offense bro, but you must have done something wrong with training or diet, or you're one of those people who doesn't respond well to gear
 
You done it wrong bro, sort yourself out a real cycle and do it again, correctly. Then tell us its not worth it! ;)

Mods can only give you their opinions, do not take it as gospel. I have asked mods questions and had conflicting answers. While Im here Id like to thank Huck for all his help! Cheers bro! :D

UglyASS
 
not my choice of cycles but I would of increased the dosage of Eq at least and the Deca I would of kept at 300mg. Personally I would of used Sust or a Test instead of Deca. My opinion.....
 
tdekeyser said:
After getting scammed, then finally doing a first cycle, I am here to say that it was not worth it.

I added it up, and I have spent $800 on losses from scammed, AS, protien, vitamins, glutamine, food, and pins.

It is now the 10th week, and I have gained like 5 lbs. The cycle was 300ml/week decca & 200-400/week EQ. I was going to extent it another 5 weeks and throw some Sust250 in there, but I should save it when I can get back on my feet and really try to do this again sometime. I am just very dissapointed so far......

I have heard every suggestion in the book, but the best suggestion to newbies is this:

Don't be fooled that lower doseges of AS is the safe way to go. It may be, but you are not going to gain shit unless you inject a shitload of gear and take the chances of sides! Lower dosages just wastes the entire thing! I could have done the decca at 500ml/week for 6 weeks and would have had better gains and saved $$!
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Listen, sorry to say this but u did something wrong! U don't need high doses to gain! I bet u that u didn't eat right or sleep right either! My best friends cycle was deca at 200-300mg/week for 10weeks, he gained 18lbs. My cousin did sust at 250mg/week and deca at 300mg/week and gained 25lbs, they ate like animals and slept well, and their results are nothing to sneeze at!

Re-evaluate what u did, go back and take another shot. Don't go crazy with high doses either. Good luck!
 
dude I gained 21 lbs from a deca only cycle once. Btw...dont stack deca and eq...kinda the same thing. Stack a progesterone with a test....best to start off is deca/dbol....cycle should cost you 350 max including the clomid.
 
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Maxx Out said:



Listen, sorry to say this but u did something wrong! U don't need high doses to gain! I bet u that u didn't eat right or sleep right either! My best friends cycle was deca at 200-300mg/week for 10weeks, he gained 18lbs. My cousin did sust at 250mg/week and deca at 300mg/week and gained 25lbs, they ate like animals and slept well, and their results are nothing to sneeze at!

Re-evaluate what u did, go back and take another shot. Don't go crazy with high doses either. Good luck!
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Yeah, I have a hectic schedule, and I also traveled in the 4th week to Europe. It is hard to say what went wrong, but it was something in each week. Maybe I can break it down for you:
Week1-3: WO was great/Diet was great/sleep was great.
Week4 : WO sucked (2 times only)/Sleep sucked big time/diet sucked
Week5-8: Diet was good (not great)/WO was good (not great)/sleep was good
Weeks 9,10: WO sucked (3-4x only)/Diet sucked/sleep ok

Do I need a life where nothing can go wrong week after week?
 
I've only placed one order so far, but I was more than pleased. I also have 4 or 5 solid sources that I have not ordered from (yet), but I'm sure are 100% legit. Sounds like you rushed into it and that's why you got scammed. That sucks though anyway.

As far as your stack. Where's the test? I know you feel let down about sources as well as the benefits of AAS, but I suggest you do a little more homework on both and try again. You'll be glad. Good luck.

Scotty
 
scottyroc said:
I've only placed one order so far, but I was more than pleased. I also have 4 or 5 solid sources that I have not ordered from (yet), but I'm sure are 100% legit. Sounds like you rushed into it and that's why you got scammed. That sucks though anyway.

As far as your stack. Where's the test? I know you feel let down about sources as well as the benefits of AAS, but I suggest you do a little more homework on both and try again. You'll be glad. Good luck.

Scotty
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I have 3000ml of decca, 4000ml of EQ and 3750ml of sust still left. Now I want to break this into 2 SOLID cycles. Any suggestions?

I am 205lbs 6'1 /15%bf.

By the way, the scam was from a source in Bosnia and it was before I found this terrific site!
 
You need some more test, then you could get 2 solid cycles. If you get more sus, I would run 500mg a week along with 400 a week EQ for 10 weeks (ironically you have exactly enough Eq left, NICE!). Make your first shot of test 1000mgs. This is called front loading and will give you an instant spike in blood levels so your gains will start immediately. Make sure you have some form of anti-estrogen on hand. Save your Deca for your next cycle. I wouldn't do any of this though until you look into some clomid therapy after that deca/eq cycle. Your nuts are probably non-existent!

Hey dude, by the way, I'm new here. How do you refresh the board? Thanks!

Scotty
 
scottyroc said:
You need some more test, then you could get 2 solid cycles. If you get more sus, I would run 500mg a week along with 400 a week EQ for 10 weeks (ironically you have exactly enough Eq left, NICE!). Make your first shot of test 1000mgs. This is called front loading and will give you an instant spike in blood levels so your gains will start immediately. Make sure you have some form of anti-estrogen on hand. Save your Deca for your next cycle. I wouldn't do any of this though until you look into some clomid therapy after that deca/eq cycle. Your nuts are probably non-existent!

Hey dude, by the way, I'm new here. How do you refresh the board? Thanks!

Scotty
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Thanks! My nuts are fine, and I am still banging the girl at least once a day. Also I know the gear is legit (tokkyo), and I am no longer afraid of higher doseges.

This is the entire reason I went with AS. I hit my platau 1 year after I started lifting, and that was 10 years ago! I have been dissapointed over and over with 'suppliments' and shit so I went with the read-deal. I am also afraid I have lost that 'edge' of the first cycle......any thoughts on that? The first cycle you are supposed to gain the most right? This sucks....
 
yeah, your first cycle is supposed to be your best, but don't worry. Do that cycle I told you about and you'll put on 20 lbs. You'll need to get a little more test though. Is the sus your using also Ttokkyo. If so it's probably called Testanon and comes in a 5ml multiuse right? If you have access to D-bol, through 35mgs. in for weeks 1-4. Test 500/deca400/d-bol 35mg seems to be the most popular 1st cycle. People gain anywhere from 20 to 40 lbs on this from what I've seen. My first (only) cycle was the one I told you (without the d-bol) and I put on 26 lbs and kept about 14lbs., and my strength gains were even better than my weight gains!

Hey bro, how do you refresh the damn screen!

Scotty
 
tdekeyser said:


Thanks! My nuts are fine, and I am still banging the girl at least once a day. Also I know the gear is legit (tokkyo), and I am no longer afraid of higher doseges.
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If you're using deca without test, and you're still banging chicks, then your dosage is too low. Thats why you aren't seeing results; your own natural test is still at an acceptible level where you can still function in bed.
 
here is the problem...

too many newbies think that lower dosages = lower side effects and so they opt for a mild to weak cycle. In reality what happens is that you are putting yourself in nearly as much risk (with regard to sides) at say 300mg/week of deca as you would at 600mg/week. The difference is that you should see some results at 600mg/week but not much at 300. Also EQ is definitely not what I would think of as a solid mass gainer. Most EQ is dosed at 50mg/ml and to get anything resembling decent results you'll need upwards of 500mg/wk. That means injecting 10ml !! I hate low dosage injectables.

My advice - go for higher dosage (on a mg/ml) compounds, opt for shorter cycles (THAT'S how you avoid side effects!!), and make sure you have clomid (and maybe HCG) on hand. Especially if using aromatizing androgens.

Better luck next time.

DrG
 
Well - I've done shorter cycles at lower dosages and gained way more muscle.

Some people don't respond well to lower dosages (many do and it's really cool if you do). I ussually find the problem is in the training or nutrition. Judging from the post, I assume heavy training consists of the Hammer Strength Bench Press for you.
 
im sorry to hear that man.. but even at those doses, u would gain more then 5lbs in 10 weeks.
either your gear was fake or your diet and training sucked. probably the latter.
 
The scamming is unforgivable.

But I actually made very good gains on my first cycle and used half as much deca as you did. However I included at least 350-400mg per week of test.

The test and deca combined is why my gains were sustained.
 
Doing a higher dose over a shorter period can sometimes be preferrable because you get in - get your gains - and get out again and let your body and hpta get back to normal with a little post cycle therapy of course!
This is my favoured method because I don't believe in bridging unless you're competitive or you want to get freaky huge and so to me the best way of maintaining your hard won physique is to have a healthy body a normal hpta and a strong immune system - another reason why Primo is my drug of choice!
 
wait 2 months the get your ass some omna,frontload at 750 wk 1 then 500mg wk2-8
im on wk 3 of that and im up about 10 lbs
 
Let's talk about training

MadCow1 said:
Judging from the post, I assume heavy training consists of the Hammer Strength Bench Press for you.
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Wrong, but you may be on to something.....

My workouts started out as:
Mon: Chest (4 sets 8 rep max on 8 on 4-5 different excer)
Tue: Back (Same)
Wed: Legs (same)
Thu: Arms (same)
Fri: Shoulders (same) All workouts made me a bit sore because 7 days past before I hit it hard again. The problem was that I was missing workouts, and was missing muscle groups for 2 weeks. So, I changed my workout to this to compensate:
Mon, Wed, fri, sun: Total body (less sets, but every set was to failure. Sets were about 2-5 diff exer)

I then switched to the Upper body/lower body every day to get more sets in, but again, I did miss about 10% of my workouts.
 
it was probably your crappy training,make sure everything is in check berfore you go on,im sick but working through it,gotta sacrafice things for training
 
Deca Sucks

Deca Sucks Eq is mild


If you wanna be safe go

500mg Primo /WK
50 mg Anavar /day
50mg winny /eod

I used this to cut up on but I wouldn't be shitten ya when I say I was hungry as hell and gained 20 pounds in 10 weeks.
 
helping out

Obviously this guy is new to using juice..Instead of cutting down his first cycle can't anyone give the guy some support? or help on his next cycle..
 
once again... a page full of misinformation... Deca-EQ is a great cycle? What? Deca and EQ are so similar because they exhibit high anibolics? Thats like saying dont use winny and masteron in the same cycle because they are so similar... Bottom line the cycle was decent 400mg eq, 300mg Deca... He didnt gain because of either his training and diet, or he got some fake shit.

But to say EQ_DECA is not a good stack is wrong
 
Since you obviously don't know what you're doing, it is in your best intrest to quit . Don't waste your time or money .
 
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tdekeyser said:


Wrong, but you may be on to something.....

My workouts started out as:
Mon: Chest (4 sets 8 rep max on 8 on 4-5 different excer)
Tue: Back (Same)
Wed: Legs (same)
Thu: Arms (same)
Fri: Shoulders (same) All workouts made me a bit sore because 7 days past before I hit it hard again. The problem was that I was missing workouts, and was missing muscle groups for 2 weeks. So, I changed my workout to this to compensate:
Mon, Wed, fri, sun: Total body (less sets, but every set was to failure. Sets were about 2-5 diff exer)

I then switched to the Upper body/lower body every day to get more sets in, but again, I did miss about 10% of my workouts.
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You need to forget the whole muscle group thing and the split bullshit concentrate on increasing key lifts. Go ahead and do some assistance work to round it out but the big 3 are:

Deadlift
Squat
Bench

These compromise 80% of your gains during a cycle. They enable you to gain naturally also. Eat a lot (esp. protein) and work these lifts up. Use reps in the 4-8 range and do 4-6 work sets (depends on # reps). Watch yourself gain weight.

I'm not saying muscle groups and splits are bad but old fashioned hard work on core exercises is what packs it on and keeps it on.
 
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