Not the Usual First Cycle Post

[swole]

lmfao @ go all out while your receptors are fresh

Ok, if that's the case then why not just do a gram of test, tren and 10iu's of HGH for your first run?

Ask them that...then when they say no fucking way, ask them why?

And when they tell you it's risky, then tell them so is running a stupid amount of test for your first run for the same reasons.

Development doesn't happen overnight, if you want to make waves in bodybuilding you're going to need to listen to your body and know what works FOR YOU. This takes years. Multiple cycles. You think a mega dose first cycle is going to push you right to the top? lol, you have a way to go. You have big plans, you want to get huge and compete? It won't happen on your first cycle. Maybe a gram of test works for your friends. It might not be necessary for you just yet.

I'm sorry but fake boobs don't aromatise, raise cholesterol and stress, suppress your HTPA nor do they add acne or speed up male pattern baldness. So that's not a good analogy.

They're only dangerous if they explode in your chest.

If you can't respond to 300mg then you're training is off and you're already making the first mistake of relying SOLELY on your gear to grow.

I've never run more than 300mg of test. And yes I'm a "forum guy."

You want my suggestion? Here -

WK 1-10 300mg Test E
HCG 1-10 250mg 2xEW

Don't use HCG for PCT. Use aromasin and clomid (or nolva). Sustain Alpha is one of our board member's product that stacks well with any PCT protocol.

Aromasin, not nolva on hand to fight off possible estrogen related sides such as bloating or gyno. 10mg twice per week should kill E conversion enough yet still keep your libido and gains strong.

I'm glad you came here for advice. I understand you want to be hardcore - but you have to be realistic and smart. Good luck.

 

[10001110101]

agree with swole. do 300-350 mgs wk, i did sus @ 250 e5d for my first cycle and blew up (added winstrol as well, but wouldn't ahve in retrospect) seriously it sounds like you know what you're doing as far as training and nutrition, fuck doing anything more than 500mg/wk for your first cycle, it's just going to go to waste... and then you have even more issues to deal with i.e. more difficult recovery, stretch marks, acne, gyno, female pattern fat deposition, hair loss... dude this whole maximize your first cycle is BS, my first cycle i lost most of my gains and had more sides than i wanted because i didn't just stick to one compound at a reasonable dosage and f'ed up my pct.

AAS are powerful drugs and there is a thin line between getting the most out of your gear usage and just taking on added side effects and risks for nothing.

seriously run 350mg/wk you'll be satisfied, slow steady gains but still MUCH faster than training natural, growing too fast you fuck with your joints, set yourself up for injury, and stretch marks are unsightly.

then after that you can run 500mg/wk for another cycle.

then after that you can run 500mg/wk add D-bol as a kick start for 4 wks.

then after that you can run 500mg/wk with 400mg/wk eq or primo and a d-bol kicker or var finisher.

you get the idea, i can bet you'll be cycling for a while, so take your time, do it right, enjoy it, have something to look forward to, baby steps.

 

[boychimalochi]

lmfao @ go all out while your receptors are fresh

Ok, if that's the case then why not just do a gram of test, tren and 10iu's of HGH for your first run?

Ask them that...then when they say no fucking way, ask them why?

And when they tell you it's risky, then tell them so is running a stupid amount of test for your first run for the same reasons.

Development doesn't happen overnight, if you want to make waves in bodybuilding you're going to need to listen to your body and know what works FOR YOU. This takes years. Multiple cycles. You think a mega dose first cycle is going to push you right to the top? lol, you have a way to go. You have big plans, you want to get huge and compete? It won't happen on your first cycle. Maybe a gram of test works for your friends. It might not be necessary for you just yet.

I'm sorry but fake boobs don't aromatise, raise cholesterol and stress, suppress your HTPA nor do they add acne or speed up male pattern baldness. So that's not a good analogy.

They're only dangerous if they explode in your chest.

If you can't respond to 300mg then you're training is off and you're already making the first mistake of relying SOLELY on your gear to grow.

I've never run more than 300mg of test. And yes I'm a "forum guy."

You want my suggestion? Here -

WK 1-10 300mg Test E
HCG 1-10 250mg 2xEW

Don't use HCG for PCT. Use aromasin and clomid (or nolva). Sustain Alpha is one of our board member's product that stacks well with any PCT protocol.

Aromasin, not nolva on hand to fight off possible estrogen related sides such as bloating or gyno. 10mg twice per week should kill E conversion enough yet still keep your libido and gains strong.

I'm glad you came here for advice. I understand you want to be hardcore - but you have to be realistic and smart. Good luck.

This is excellent advise!! You need to start off at a lower dose to see how your body responds. There are so many different things that happen to you when you take aas, these are powerful hormones that need to be respected. With each cycle you learn what each compound does, what does work for you and what doesn't. You will never find this out hitting 1gram in your first go. And if you do a gram a week first up, where to from there 2/3/4 grams?!?!? People who go too hard to soon burn out, they pull tendons off joints because they get too strong too quickly,heart, liver, kidney, skin, libido problems. Please take everyone's advise, they have lived it and are genuinely concerned for you. It is a long process of consistency, eating right, training and resting right day in and day out...It cant be done overnight.

 

[T_R_S]

Hi everyone, thanks for all the responses, sorry I have been travelling for the past few days so I haven’t had time to check the forum.

I’m glad to hear what all of you are saying because what my friends told me sounded f*&cking nuts after the research I have done. It didn’t make sense at all to me but I like to stay open minded so I thought I should ask anyways.

needsize: Thanks for the advice fellow canuck, what you said about the sus is what I have read in the past, I was wondering why he was recommending it.

nickster#1: I understand the concern about the age and I am still going to hold off for a little while, I’m just trying to plan it all out ahead of time. I would say that my diet, training, dedication, is all in tack so that should make up for my age a bit.

swole: Yeah that “go all out while your receptors are fresh” didn’t make too much sense to me. Now that I think about it the fake boob analogy doesn’t work at all. I have good genetics and good training/nutrition so I am sure I will grow like you wouldn’t believe even on small doses, so what your saying makes a lot of sense. Thanks also for the post cycle and gyno/side effect advice.

10001110101: It is good to hear from someone who did higher doses and multiple compounds their first time. It obviously sounds like it didn’t work out so good for you.

boychimalochi: I was wondering the same thing as you, if I start at a gram a week from the beginning then where the hell do I go from there?

When my friends first started telling me all of this it made absolutely no sense but as I said before I like to be open minded and look at all the possibilities. I really can’t imagine that I will grow that much more on their cycle compared to my original planned cycle. The only thing I think would happen is that I would have far more side effects and possibly screw myself up for the future.

Like my lifetime natural training partner always says, Rome wasn’t built in a day.

 

[T_R_S]

T-Bol?

So obviously the 1gram a week of test is not a good idea but what about the T-Bol at 30mg a day for the first 4 weeks? Needsize recommended D-Bol and I know a lot of guys who have done D-Bol with Test for their first cycle.

What do you guys think about this and what about using T-Bol instead? I heard it is very similar but has less side effects, based on what I have read about it, it sounds pretty good.

Thanks

 

[Big_Joe]

Well I tried T-Bol and thought it wasn't worth the shipping charge let alone what it cost out right.

Being your first cycle you have two choices. Do one compound, such as test. Or us more then one. So if you are going to do one compound then just run 500mg per week test and be done with it. If you are going to try something else don't reinvent the wheel. I started just like you. I was doing a 500mg per week cycle and it was going great. So I kicked it it up a level and added another 250 mg per week test and 450 per week of tri-tren. That comes out to 750 mg per week of test and 450 per week of tri-tren. It was the best cycle of my life. That was a long time ago and I don't remember how many weeks I ran it for but I don't think it was more then ten but it probably was eight. I know a lot of people will jump in my shit for this but that is what I did and it was great. Now I was a really big guy to begin with and I was pushing fifty also. So I wasn't a young one and I wasn't a little guy. So in the end it's up to you what you do and the reality is the rewards are yours also. So you pays your money and you takes your chances.

 

[shirlock]

Hey bro,

first cycle I done 250 mg of sus for 12 wks - gained 22 lbs and managed to keep about 17 lbs...train hard, eat hard & rest up

 

[cobracock1979]

first cycle looks good bro - add in Sustain Alpha and unleashed to PCT. Good work, well researched.