Nolva or HCG?

[Swole_2112]

For PCT, what is more effective for returning the natural test production to normal. I've got to make sure I've got a good PCT to avoid a crash while comming off of this cycle:

Weeks 1-5: D-bol 40mg/day
Weeks 1-10: Sust 750mg/day
Weeks 1-10: AIFM 2-3 sprays/day

 

[Hylander]

Have your boys shrunk any during this 10wks?
Nolva should always be included in PCT..IMO.

 

[kbrkbr]

Go with clomid rather than nol.

If your boys haven't shrunk significantly and you're a young man, you might not need hcg. I'm an old fart, so I need both and use hcg throughout.

 

[pentatonic]

I say use HCG regardless of whether you think you had shrinkage, also use Nolva along with HCG, then continue with Nolva only or Nolva/Clomid.

 

[Ulter]

You've already got AIFM so you don't need nolva. Nolva is poor choice anyway. HCG isn't crucial for a test cycle. But you could use it with AIFM and then start clomid when you're done.

 

[Hylander]

I say use HCG regardless of whether you think you had shrinkage, also use Nolva along with HCG, then continue with Nolva only or Nolva/Clomid.

This is the right way to do it,if you do need the HCG.

Going with clomid only will lead to dissapointment and take longer for PCT using only one compound...& thats coming from another old man...at 35.
Clomid is not as "potent" as Nolva,and you would need a stronger dose of it,which will lead to more of the "clomid" sides,which we dont want,also IMO.

HCG always needs Nolva.

EDIT: these are my Opinions only,and they come from my experience.Just sharing what I know and whats worked for me.

 

[Ulter]

Clomid is not as "potent" as Nolva,and you would need a stronger dose of it,which will lead to more of the "clomid" sides,which we dont want,also IMO.

HCG always needs Nolva.

You're going to have to explain this to me. Clomid and Nolva do not do the same thing. Even though some aspects are similar. So how is Nolva more potent? How are you measuring potent?

HCG does not need Nolva. There is not an endocrinologist in the country giving patients Nolva with HCG and the HCG works just fine for them. I agree it should be used with an AI but not Nolva.

 

[mikefear]

I'd run 1000iu of hcg eod for 5 days (3 injects) just to give 'em a little lovin'

then on to the clomid @ 50mg for 3-4 weeks and keep up w/ the AIFM

 

[Swole_2112]

You've already got AIFM so you don't need nolva. Nolva is poor choice anyway. HCG isn't crucial for a test cycle. But you could use it with AIFM and then start clomid when you're done.

Are you saying that AIFM has effects that are similar to the desired effects of HCG as well as the desired effects of AIs like a-dex? If so, what should the post cycle doseage of AIFM be? And, what else should I take with it? Do I (or should I) take anything else with it for PCT? I want a good PCT, and if I can get that with one AI, I'll take it.

 

[Swole_2112]

Go with clomid rather than nol.

If your boys haven't shrunk significantly and you're a young man, you might not need hcg. I'm an old fart, so I need both and use hcg throughout.

I haven't actually started the cycle yet.