no wonder iraqis hate us

[minion]

In case you didnt notice, you were handing out the same 'refuse' as you call it, a few posts back.

Where?
I said your post was like feces because I found it to be the case. Especially when you say we deserved to have hijacked planes flown into sky scrappers causing them to crash into a pile of ash.

Yeah, that's garbage right there. [/B][/QUOTE]

Theres nothing childish or foolish about it. You have a point, and I have a point. You only wish to focus on your nations hurt, and your own loss, so u can elicit the cognitive fortitude it takes to repress the hypocrisy inherent in denying the justifiable acts which were executed against your nation on sept 11th.

Ever heard of the concept of cognitive dissonance? You should really look it up. Has so many applications.

If you consider, hold on allow me to paraphrase, "America is EVIL and the root to everything that is wrong in the world" if you call that making a point? I find it humorous. I'm curious Buddy where are you from?

Yea, thats because instead of those speeches our leaders use reserved head nods behind closed doors so no one is none the wiser.

Its always good business to hold something in reserve.
This is a trait of human nature. Animals make propagandistic speaches like Sadam. Read his speaches before Desert Storm same mindless garbage.

Does that make us more civilized?

Yes

Reminds me of Jesus' parable of the Pharisees. All clean and attractive on the outside. Filled with dirt and filth in the inside.

And what would the Bible say about Sadam? I know what it would say. Probably somthing about not acquiting the wicked and smiting. Somebody is always getting smited in the Old Testament.

Brand loyalty. Good one.

Thanx, not only is it fashionable, but functional as well.

Want to know why your a victim of your nations propaganda?

Because the propaganda you buy into recklessly devalues human life outside of your own in-group. While our Creator, the one that you pray to, decrees all human life equal. No matter what race, color, sect or creed.

I thought you were going to tell me why I'm a victim of my nations propaganda?

You should meditate on that. Christ, our God, the God this nation was founded upon, esteems no man, no community, no nation over another. There are differences between us, but he implores us to work them out, civilly, and come to a compromise.

Oh yeah well MY God also says: "To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up....A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace....every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God." Ecclesiastes, 3:1-3, 8, 13

Compromise can be found. But your previous posts indicate your not looking for compromise. Your looking for vengeance. Even when its not justly accorded to you or your nation.

There is no compromise. Sadam won't let the inspectors in, continues to violate the decree for him to discontinue pursuing weapons of mass destruction, mis-appropiates the care-aid funds, continues to threaten the U.S., ect, ect, ect.

Have you thought out your position logically in accordance with Gods Law?

You mean this one?: "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." Deuteronomy, 19:21


Yeah I'm thinking about.

Survival of the fittest. That works great in a universe devoid of moral Creator. But thankfully, we don't live in a universe without a God.

Some do and that's alright as well.

Heres a passage I didn't comprehend for a long time. Now I do, and am thankful for it.
Proverbs Chapter 1 Verse 7. Old Testament.
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,.."

cool

 

[aurelius]

You've never seen our countries leaders make speaches to the tune of, "The streets of Iraq will flow with blood. First we will kill you then we will hang you and then we shoot you, blah, blah, blah." Of course not that would be the psycho in head office Baghdad.

Words words words. Who cares what they say. Look at what they DO.

 

[minion]

Words words words. Who cares what they say. Look at what they DO.

Sadam is just as delinquent in his actions as well.

 

[buddy28]

Wrong Iraq went into Kuwait, the U.N. stepped in to bail out Saudi and Kuwait. That's what put Iraq on the map. No one was too concerned when it was Iran and Iraq.

I was reffering to Muslim peoples who historically have been exploited by the US Government as the original victim. Not Iraq. You have to think in the aggregate. These people stick together. Bin Ladens actions were motivated not only by the United States support of the undemocratically elected Saudi Monarchy and US occupation of Saudi military bases, but also the United States role in Iraq, Iran, Isreali-Palistinine crisis ect.

 

[buddy28]

The last part of the above quote has me perplexed. Since morality is very much a matter of perspective, I don't see how it carries any weight. And if it did, which it dosn't morally America is superior to Iraq on standard alone, but then again I'm American. What else would you expect me to say?

This quote sums up your position well. You cant even fathom how the United States is on the wrong side of history and how your nations historical foreign policy has had maliscous intent.

Why? Because your shit smellls good. Everyone likes the smelll of their own brand right?

Your a patriot. Which is why you cant understand what Im saying. Your blind to the unequivocal truth that all Gods children are created equal and your nation has engaged in UNPROVOCATED manipulation of foreign Muslim Governments resulting in the significant loss of civilian life, which, by your definition, is justifiable reason to initiate war.

And let me clarify. By YOUR OWN definition, the United States deserved what happened on sept 11th.

"If its morally licit for an individual or individuals, employing a means that entail the eventuality of either injury and death for the assailant then it is even more licit for the civil authority acting on behalf of the common good of society to do the same. Thus we have the scenario of war. In which we are confronted with the necessity of injuring and killing people we do not know."

I dont condone murder, and I dont condone the sept 11th terrorist attacks. But like Ive said before, and keep on repeating over and over again, you push a nation, you exploit them, you prop up dictators that are unrepresentative of the people and stomp on their freedoms and lives so you can fill up your tank at 90 cents a gallon, well, theyll be consequences. And justly so.

Oh yea. And who supported Britan side by side when the Iranians decieded to nationalize their petroleum industry?

Looks like America got caught on the wrong side of history, again.


Those who judge will be judged.


Anyhow, Ive said my peace.

 

[minion]

This quote sums up your position well. You cant even fathom how the United States is on the wrong side of history and how your nations historical foreign policy has had maliscous intent.

Why? Because your shit smellls good. Everyone likes the smelll of their own brand right?

Your a patriot. Which is why you cant understand what Im saying. Your blind to the unequivocal truth that all Gods children are created equal and your nation has engaged in UNPROVOCATED manipulation of foreign Muslim Governments resulting in the significant loss of civilian life, which, by your definition, is justifiable reason to initiate war.

And let me clarify. By YOUR OWN definition, the United States deserved what happened on sept 11th.



I dont condone murder, and I dont condone the sept 11th terrorist attacks. But like Ive said before, and keep on repeating over and over again, you push a nation, you exploit them, you prop up dictators that are unrepresentative of the people and stomp on their freedoms and lives so you can fill up your tank at 90 cents a gallon, well, theyll be consequences. And justly so.

Oh yea. And who supported Britan side by side when the Iranians decieded to nationalize their petroleum industry?

Looks like America got caught on the wrong side of history, again.


Those who judge will be judged.


Anyhow, Ive said my peace.

Duly noted. Then we agree to disagree. However.

My perspective is a matter of reality. According to U.N. guide lines
America is within her right. I'm sure the USA tested the limits of these rules of diplomacy at times, but there was never any direct aggression that wasn't warranted. Many countries before the USA have had their time in the lime light. Right now it is our turn. Because of American influence we have been made targets.

I have stacks of books on American injustice and conspiracy theory. I do my own investigation of my country. (From my library for reference try: Behold a pale white horse, New World order, Children of the Matrix, One nation under isreal, The cosmic conspiracy, I'm not a number, Guns germs and steel, ect just to name a few) I don't blindly accept them as fact I've cross referenced them and made my own judgment. I've come to the conclusion that America is an ongoing project. It didn't turn me into an anti-American if anything it showed me the fragile nature of our country, and I want to participate. My choice to join the military was to see first hand. While most sit on a fence, or the right or left. For all their spouting its condensed to a whimper. Most don't hear them over the roar of pop culture.

Your thesis is based on ideology. Its honorable but an unrealized fantasy. I only wish the world was the way you describe, but I know the truth. If you honestly believe that America is the only one's in the world with secret police, and hidden agenda your naive. As in "Lacking worldly experience and understanding".

I believe you to be an intelligent man. If you seek the unbiased reality you will arrive to an understanding of the world you live in.
An understanding of the paradox.

 

[LionelHutz]

You don't know what you're talking about.

The Iraqis aren't stupid. They know they live in a brutal, barbaric dictatorship that lies to them constantly and has absolutely no regard for human rights or freedom. They will be hailing us as liberators when our tanks roll in and we set up a democratic gov't.

They don't hate us. And they hate Saddam more than we do.

 

[dballer]

I am laughing pretty hard at all of this..

like all of us have the facts to make good researched factual decisions.

David Copperfield can make a elephant disappear on TV... David Blane can float.. and you belive the lies CNN and CBS feed you.

Can anyone here fathom the idea that all of us have biased information coming to our hands. We do not get the news.. we get a watered down version biased to make our opinions and votes to the direction that the TV/media want them to go.

I mean.. how many of us have been to Iraq? All we know is that Dan Rather tells us they are all crazy.. they are Arabs.. so they all must be evil.

what a fucking joke.

I am sorry if I offended any of you that know the truth about The New World Order.

 

[minion]

I am laughing pretty hard at all of this..

like all of us have the facts to make good researched factual decisions.

David Copperfield can make a elephant disappear on TV... David Blane can float.. and you belive the lies CNN and CBS feed you.

Can anyone here fathom the idea that all of us have biased information coming to our hands. We do not get the news.. we get a watered down version biased to make our opinions and votes to the direction that the TV/media want them to go.

I mean.. how many of us have been to Iraq? All we know is that Dan Rather tells us they are all crazy.. they are Arabs.. so they all must be evil.

what a fucking joke.

I am sorry if I offended any of you that know the truth about The New World Order.

I know ALOT of people that have been to Iraq. Being a military member I could be going to Iraq myself. I don't get my info from CNN, BBC, FOXnews, or the Arab equivilant. I don't need to.

What I find humorous is the constipated attitude some of you display. Its as if you think you could wish this mess away.

 

[dballer]

I know ALOT of people that have been to Iraq. Being a military member I could be going to Iraq myself. I don't get my info from CNN, BBC, FOXnews, or the Arab equivilant. I don't need to.

What I find humorous is the constipated attitude some of you display. Its as if you think you could wish this mess away.

Wish this mess away? Bowing to the enemy will not help either.

What army or military did you serve with? Do you refer to Japan as your country? Do you live in the US? Were you born in the US?

(Off the subject.. but I read a post where you called Japan "Your" country.. but also stated that you were born in the US... does this mean that I can call Germany my home country?)