minion said:
I'm sure the USA tested the limits of these rules of diplomacy at times, but there was never any direct aggression that wasn't warranted.
To argue that, we'd have to arrive at a mutually acceptable operational definition of 'direct', 'aggression', and 'warranted'. But the real issue is, has the United States Government consciously authorized the use of *excessive* force, either through direct or indirect means, when long term US National Security objectives were not significantly compromised?
I sincerely believe the answer to that question is yes.
minion said:
I have stacks of books on American injustice and conspiracy theory. I do my own investigation of my country. (From my library for reference try: Behold a pale white horse, New World order, Children of the Matrix, One nation under Israel, The cosmic conspiracy, I'm not a number, Guns germs and steel, ect just to name a few) I don't blindly accept them as fact I've cross referenced them and made my own judgment. I've come to the conclusion that America is an ongoing project. It didn't turn me into an anti-American if anything it showed me the fragile nature of our country, and I want to participate. My choice to join the military was to see first hand. While most sit on a fence, or the right or left. For all their spouting its condensed to a whimper. Most don't hear them over the roar of pop culture.
I respect that.
minion said:
Your thesis is based on ideology. Its honorable but an unrealized fantasy. I only wish the world was the way you describe, but I know the truth. If you honestly believe that America is the only one's in the world with secret police, and hidden agenda your naive. As in "Lacking worldly experience and understanding".
I believe you to be an intelligent man. If you seek the unbiased reality you will arrive to an understanding of the world you live in.
An understanding of the paradox.
I know my argument appears to be somewhat idealistic and impractical. However, I am neither naive or unbiased, relatively speaking. I recognize and fully acknowledge every single country on the face of this earth has, and would given the opportunity, exploit domestic nationals and foreign civilians to further State long term national security objectives. The human condition.
However, there has to be some understanding the actions we take now, either justified or not, to ensure our states future viability, will have significant implications for our nation down the road.
And this is where I digress from you. We both admittedly share a common belief of humanities future fate. *That* is the result of the adversarial foreign policy the majority of nations have chosen to adopt and implement. Especially the 'developed nations' (Britain, US, France, Germany, Russia). It is only now, in the 21st century, in which our expanded knowledge of the physical and biological sciences have given us the ability to make war of apocalyptic proportions.
Which is why I advocate the position I do. We either turn things back now, or we face near total self annihilation.
The survivors are going to look back on this charred mess we've created and ask themselves, 'was it worth it?' And then we'll do it all over again because we never learned how to respect each other, or love one another.
Its not hard. Its just a choice that has to made and honored.
Do you like Star Wars?
"...For my ally is the Force
, and a powerful ally it is.
Life creates it, makes it grow.
Its energy surrounds us
and binds us. Luminous
beings are we, not this
crude matter. You must feel
the Force around you;
between you, me, the tree,
the rock, everywhere. Yes,
even between the land and
the ship.
Yoda. (Episode V)
Dream the biggest dream. And let the chips fall where they may.
That is how I (try to) lead my life.
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