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NO Testosterone For Newbies
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I do agree with what you are saying (as so nicely summarized by anabolicMD) Heck, if a first time person who was going to do it asked me what to take, I would probably say the same..... but lets face it, like others have said, legit Var and Primo are hard to find or too expensive for most noobs, and even some not so noobs....
Until that changes you will keep seeing noob threads looking for info on 1) test and 2) fina....
Why? 1) Easy to get and 2)cheap...
I sincerely like the idea behind it A LOT, but I think it is wishful thinking....
I do agree with what you are saying (as so nicely summarized by anabolicMD) Heck, if a first time person who was going to do it asked me what to take, I would probably say the same..... but lets face it, like others have said, legit Var and Primo are hard to find or too expensive for most noobs, and even some not so noobs....
Until that changes you will keep seeing noob threads looking for info on 1) test and 2) fina....
Why? 1) Easy to get and 2)cheap...
I sincerely like the idea behind it A LOT, but I think it is wishful thinking....
little chris
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2Thick said:
You deca terrorists are all the same.
You hate what you cannot control
Seriously, deca on messes with you libido when you cycle it improperly (or if you are one of those who is sensitive to progesterone). Otherwise it is the greatest gear of all time!@
I recently have done a deca/primo cycle and was happy with the results HOWEVER I'll never use deca again. at 350mgs p/w I still getting my balls back. And thats about 2 months ago.
I believe that as long as your not gyno prone alittle test won't hurt.
My next cycle
test enth...400mgs...1-10
EQ...500mgs...1-12
and maybe some primo at 300mgs p/w for 1-12
A
anabolicmd
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2Thick said:
Well the thread was starting to drift apart, I had to bring it back together.
17aas are worse (though I love them!)
I have to go with Nautica on this one. He made a very important point. Testosterone is infinitely safer for any newbie than using 17AA's like winstrol and anadrol, etc. The gains from a first cycle are definately better with test and sexual activity is also less problematic with regards to deca dick, etc. Without the test a first cycle is incomplete and useless and using primo or deca alone will elicit minimal gains. That's why the best newbie starter cycle is always sustanon with deca. I used this for my first two cycles and then progressed onto other stacks and compounds.
I have to go with Nautica on this one. He made a very important point. Testosterone is infinitely safer for any newbie than using 17AA's like winstrol and anadrol, etc. The gains from a first cycle are definately better with test and sexual activity is also less problematic with regards to deca dick, etc. Without the test a first cycle is incomplete and useless and using primo or deca alone will elicit minimal gains. That's why the best newbie starter cycle is always sustanon with deca. I used this for my first two cycles and then progressed onto other stacks and compounds.
I always get a kick out of this argument. Deca IS testosterone. All steroids are synthetic testosterone based derivitives, and bind to the same receptor. Some steroids, however, have been bio-chemically engineered to reduce androgenic side-effects and increase pure anabolic activity. Deca is the original of such steroids.
The standard test used by scientists to discern between androgenic and anabolic properties is to measure the drugs effect on prostate tissue growth vs. skeletal muscle tissue growth. Esterless deca has 80% less impact on prostate enlargement and 2.4 times more impact on skeletal muscle tissue growth when compared to esterless testosterone.
I won't take sides in the argument cause I use both, but it makes a lot of sense to stack into the cycle some anabolic derivitive drugs rather than continuously upping the dose of androgens.
The standard test used by scientists to discern between androgenic and anabolic properties is to measure the drugs effect on prostate tissue growth vs. skeletal muscle tissue growth. Esterless deca has 80% less impact on prostate enlargement and 2.4 times more impact on skeletal muscle tissue growth when compared to esterless testosterone.
I won't take sides in the argument cause I use both, but it makes a lot of sense to stack into the cycle some anabolic derivitive drugs rather than continuously upping the dose of androgens.
