No Nolvadex?

[stevesmi]

I agree with rms13, most guys here recommend the natural method because those supps only sells on this site and they're a sponsor, i am by no means bashing the sponsor and no i havent tried their products they might work very well i cant argue with that, so please dont flame me....
Nolvadex have been shown in scientific studies to increase natural testosterone by 150% by a single 40mg dose, and its a strong anti strongen drug, when you go to PCT your test drops and your estrogen increase so it makes perfect sense to incorporate nolva post cycle along with clomid to restore HPTA..
Im not saying you guys are wrong but saying nolvadex is useless is just ignorant..

you are still living in 1985.

your estrogen won't increase if you are already on an AI, your crash won't happen during PCT if you run hcg/hmg to kickstart pct. again you are stuck in the past with your PCT.

get with the times.

 

[Lighter Fighter]

you are still living in 1985.

your estrogen won't increase if you are already on an AI, your crash won't happen during PCT if you run hcg/hmg to kickstart pct. again you are stuck in the past with your PCT.

get with the times.

What about the hundreds of thousands of people who have used these drugs post cycle and recovered just fine with no negative side effect?
There are scientific studies backing up these drugs and you're saying its bogus? So increasing natural test by 150% post cycle is useless? Im not saying there are not better options but saying nolva is completely useless is not true.. Sure its old school but they work and they have worked for many many years..

 

[RADAR]

What about the hundreds of thousands of people who have used these drugs post cycle and recovered just fine with no negative side effect?
There are scientific studies backing up these drugs and you're saying its bogus? So increasing natural test by 150% post cycle is useless? Im not saying there are not better options but saying nolva is completely useless is not true.. Sure its old school but they work and they have worked for many many years..

Because they thought they worked, Nova does nothing to help restore your HPTA.

 

[rms13]

I understand and accept the opinions and I might try some of these products but also if you go to a dr for trt for example they will give you hcg, maybe some adex and clomid. So if that is what the medical community prescribes I think there is some proof it works

 

[bigbassturd]

I understand and accept the opinions and I might try some of these products but also if you go to a dr for trt for example they will give you hcg, maybe some adex and clomid. So if that is what the medical community prescribes I think there is some proof it works

Everyone in this thread advocates the use of low dose clomid, hcg, and an AI.

Yes, because it works.

But nolva is fucking trash, period. It does ZERO, NADA, NOTHING to restore healthy hpta at ALL.

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[stevesmi]

I understand and accept the opinions and I might try some of these products but also if you go to a dr for trt for example they will give you hcg, maybe some adex and clomid. So if that is what the medical community prescribes I think there is some proof it works

doctors are morons first off. they don't know shit about steroid use. 2nd off we aren't talking about TRT here, we are talking about cycling on and off steroids. doctors don't know shit about AAS, they never learned about them nor studied them UNLESS they are bodybuilders/juicers themselves which is rare. if they are caught using illegal hormones they run the risk of losing their license, hardly a risk 99% are willing to take.

and 3rd off as bigbass said no one is saying not to use what you listed.. we are saying to stay away from nolva. and yes doctors prescribe nolva all the time as I have said a million times on here FOR POST BREAST CANCER PATIENTS because it does a good job of blocking estrogen. buts that all it does. and it has awful sides.. but its cheap so docs hand it out

stop being so thickheaded and try reading the posts and stop re-gurgatating the same bullshit over and over.

if you want to use nolva go ahead and have fun.. its cheap and easy to get. but you won't like the sides. we have sponsors on here that sell nolva as well so stop saying the mods are trying to get people to buy sponsors products. and most mods advocate using HCG and HMG to kickstart pct's and guess what? NONE OF OUR SPONSORS SELL EITHER OF THOSE. so again you are 100% wrong with your analysis. and I think you owe every mod on here an apology for claiming our advice is biased

 

[stevesmi]

What about the hundreds of thousands of people who have used these drugs post cycle and recovered just fine with no negative side effect?
There are scientific studies backing up these drugs and you're saying its bogus? So increasing natural test by 150% post cycle is useless? Im not saying there are not better options but saying nolva is completely useless is not true.. Sure its old school but they work and they have worked for many many years..

I never said nolva is completely useless now did i? it has a purpose.. that is blocking estrogen. but THAT IS ALL IT DOES. there are way better things that block estrogen with little to no sides. aromasin and forma are two for example.. adex would be the next in line.

if PCT was just about killing estrogen then nolva would be a fanstastic PCT. but ignorant newbs who don't know better don't realize that pct is NOT about killing estrogen at all.. you need estrogen during pct, if you kill it you also kill your libido.. pct is about feeling good (nolva fails at that), recovering lipids (something nolva hurts) , and helping stimulate LH (nolva doesn't do directly)