No gains from cycle.............

[British Bulldog]

Ive just started at 12 week cycle:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg equipoise/week
Weeks 1- 10: 500mg Testoviron (test.enanthate)/week
Weeeks 2-10: 100mg Viromone (test.propionate) EOD

Im also taking nolvadex ED,during the entire cycle. Ill come off using clenbutarol, HCG and clomid.

This is my 3rd cycle which im doing after a year off gear. Also I am 6,4", 200lbs, and am consuming 5500 kcal + 400g protein / day.

Ive just completed week 3 of my cycle. So far ive not experienced any gains at all. Is my gear fake. How long before I start seeing any gains.....the propionate was supposed to give me an early boost.

 

[kingc_79]

prop is the only thing in there that you should feel in 3 weeks and at 100mg eod it wont be really dramatic anyways, give it a lil longer

 

[British Bulldog]

Actually I started the propionate a week later, so ive only been on it for 2 weeks.....................

 

[ironmaster]

You should be noticing the prop some by now, and viramone is the best.
Are you prone to gyno? Nolvadex ED definitely slows my progress.......

 

[British Bulldog]

Thanks guys - im gonna drop the nolva. I dont have any gyno problem. I was only using it to prevent water retention. Is there another way of preventing water retention. Ive been told taking extra vit C helps....................

 

[superchicken]

personally id get some liquidex BEFORE you drop the nolva, you dont want an estrogen rebound bro. and liquidex will almost totally eliminate water bloat

 

[British Bulldog]

Should I drop the nolvadex.............BUMP for more opinions.

 

[Diesel3d]

yes you should drop it, but you need to taper it off, or extend it with armidex.

 

[2Thick]

It has little (or nothing) to do with the Nolvadex. All the Nolvadex would do is reduce some water retention.

It seems that either you are not taking it to a higher level at the gym or you need to adjust you diet.

If you are really getting 5500 quality calories per day (at 200 pounds) and not making any gains (with or without gear) then you are a freak of nature.

Also, although I am a fan of moderate dosages, you will need to use at least 100mg of prop per Day to see decent results.

If you do not see anything by week 4-5 then go see a doctor and ask him/her to check for a tapeworm in your intestines!

 

[British Bulldog]

Just been to gym.........good news...........increased max bench by 10kg, bicep curl by 3 reps........feeling good.

I dont think im gonna drop the nolva.

And yeah 2Thick, I am eating 5500 kcals per day.