Nizoral, Propecia, Monoxidil etc........................

[b1ewsw32]

b1ewsw32: as i said you are the man, good info....................nice to know that drug isnt available, i cant get my hands on it, but any idea if my doc WILL prescribe me propecia and minoxidil

Also can i buy nizoral shampoo in drugstores, and i heard also there is Nizoral conditioner, do those two go together and is spironoactolone the real name for that drug, what do i ask my doctor about it?

and for how long do i use any of these drugs

A prescription for propecia and minoxidil shouldn't be a problem, however some docs can be pricks and make you wait to see a specialist(dermatologist). The minoxidil 5% is available by script in the U.S. I believe? I dont know about otc. In canada it's compounded with script required.
Nizoral 1% is avaliable otc in U.S. 2% in Canada as I believe Americans need a script for 2%. The conditioner is a great ajunct. to use every 3rd. day as some may experience shedding from the drying effect of the Niz. A conditioner or regular shampoo could also be used every 3rd. day.

If you find it's too much of a hassle going through your GP. these sites are recomended...www.minoxidil.com and www.wholesalehairproducts.com.

Here's a great method for making homemade spiro...
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106386&highlight=homemade+spiro

BTW....price for Nizoral 2% 120ml-$9.99 on sale, price for 5% spiro 100gms.aprox 3.5 ounces-$15-20(homemade) -$35 Dr.Lee
price of minox. 5%-$30.
Price for Platinum Search....PRICELESS!!

Best money you'll ever spend. All information anytime all the time at your finger tips.

 

[Lenas25]

Guys thanx a lot, you are the best, i hoped for few responses but i got a big load of them i feel MUCH MUCH better now seeing that im not alone and hopefully ill be ok.

THANX A MILLION

 

[b1ewsw32]

120ml for $17 nizoral 2%....don't buy yours
as for the azelaic acid, i get the 5% variety mixed with the 5% minoxidil. i had not researched the azelaic acid by itself since i just got it with the minoxidil that i was getting anyways as a combo. that goes for 60ml at $18 (the 5%/5% minoxidil/AA). i'll email you that site also. 5% to 20% is a big difference though, wasn't aware it came that high of a concentration. but i doubt this place would put out a product that didn't work......who knows though.

Here you go Bad Black...

Azelaic acid 5%

Proven to inhibit up to 100% of DHT where applied

Description: Azelaic acid is a naturally occurring saturated dicarboxylic acid with the chemical name of 1,7-heptanedicarboxylic acid and a molecular weight of 188.22. Azelaic acid is a dietary component of whole grain cereals and animal products.

Clinical Pharmacology: The exact mechanism of action of azelaic acid is not known. The
antimicrobial action may be attributable to inhibition of microbial cellular protein synthesis. Azelaic acid at high concentrations is bactericidal against Propionibacterium acnes and Staphylococcus epidermis and possesses bacteriostatic properties against a variety of aerobic microorganisms, including Staphylococcus aureus, Escherichia coli, Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Candida albicans. In vitro, azelaic acid acted as a scavenger of oxy radicals and inhibits a variety of oxidoreductive enzymes including 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme responsible for converting testosterone to DHT. Azelaic acid (0.1 to 3.0 mmol/l) has been shown to produce a competitive concentration dependent inhibition of 5-alpha reductase activity in homogenates of human foreskin. Azelaic acid is being studied for potential antimycotic and antiviral properties. The multiple actions of azelaic acid cause a normalization of keratinization and a decrease in the free fatty acid content of skin surface lipids.

Pharmacodynamics: Following a single application to human skin, 3 to 5% of the azelaic acid
penetrates into the strateum corneum (up to 10% is present in the dermis and epidermis). There
is negligible cutaneous metabolism after topical application. Approximately 4% of topically
applied azelaic acid is systemically absorbed and mainly excreted unchanged in the urine. The
half-life is approximately 12 hours after topical dosing, indicating percutaneous absorption
rate-limited kinetics. After topical treatment with azelaic acid, plasma concentration and urinary excretion are not significantly different from baseline levels.

Contraindications: Azelaic acid solutions or lotions are contraindicated in individuals who have shown hypersensitivity to any of their components.

B32

 

[JP@Ironology]

Bump.

 

[b1ewsw32]

yeah, it messes up your libido. well, for many it does. that is why i try to use it just around test cycles only. but no one has confirmed how long you have to be on it pre-cycle to have it work properly. i thought it was 1-2 months, and then a "finasteride expert" said 6 months. so if its 6 months then screw it, not going on that stuff all year round. just around test cycles is fine though.

Did you not read my original post on page 1 of this thread? This is the product monograph for propecia and not some study or opinion.
It specifically states(in bold text) a single 1mg dose will reduce dht concentrations by 65% in 24 hrs.70-80% after once a day dosing for 12 mos I believe.

3-6mos is required to see regrowth, primarily in the vertex(crown).However frontal growth has ocurred, especially with synergistic use of minoxidil 5%.

Trust me on this, as I know the dermatologist(hair transplant surgeon) Dr. Walter Unger and his associate Dr. Paul Cotteril who were involved in the original study for Merck back in 1993.
Dr. Unger is the best out there and is world reknown and has worked on celebrities, musicians, actors etc. He works extensively in his two major sites in Toronto,Canada and in New York city.
He has patients from all over the world. He has written a few books on the subjest,supported journal studies,been on several talk shows and is currently the top researcher in cell replication for donor sites.(making thousands of grafts from one,similar to cloning)

I wouldn't recomend staying on propecia all year round as well because I am very sensitive to the libido and potency supressing effects. Just test cycles...good idea Bro.

B32

 

[al1602]

Ok. let me get this right. .. Are you smart folks sayin' this......

1. You can use a topical solution because what is happening is that the DHT is secreted to the top of the scalp or around the hair folicle? This is the process that causes it to fall out? So, by using the topical solution it will keep the area clean of DHT and what ever else may be being secreted and will allow them to grow?

2. By taking the propecia you are working from the inside and keeping the levels from raising in the first place?

3. If I use the combo of Azelaic Acid 5% + Minoxidil 5% in the rub on solution, is that better than just Minoxidil?

Please write a response as I would like to know what is going on. Thanks

 

[Bad Black]

Did you not read my original post on page 1 of this thread? This is the product monograph for propecia and not some study or opinion.
It specifically states(in bold text) a single 1mg dose will reduce dht concentrations by 65% in 24 hrs.70-80% after once a day dosing for 12 mos I believe.

3-6mos is required to see regrowth, primarily in the vertex(crown).However frontal growth has ocurred, especially with synergistic use of minoxidil 5%.

Trust me on this, as I know the dermatologist(hair transplant surgeon) Dr. Walter Unger and his associate Dr. Paul Cotteril who were involved in the original study for Merck back in 1993.
Dr. Unger is the best out there and is world reknown and has worked on celebrities, musicians, actors etc. He works extensively in his two major sites in Toronto,Canada and in New York city.
He has patients from all over the world. He has written a few books on the subjest,supported journal studies,been on several talk shows and is currently the top researcher in cell replication for donor sites.(making thousands of grafts from one,similar to cloning)

I wouldn't recomend staying on propecia all year round as well because I am very sensitive to the libido and potency supressing effects. Just test cycles...good idea Bro.

B32

that is what i was trying to say earlier on. take finasteride just around the test cycle, if its that effective that quick....you wouldn't even need a month frontload pre-cycle (but may be a good idea anyway). now if the other dude wants to get techincal he is saying it takes 6 months for it to be effective.....that is misleading since its only a small percentage more effective after 6 plus months than after a day or so (and the regrowth happens after 6 months). thanks for clearing that up, i knew it wasn't necessary to go 6 months before seeing any effectivness as far as a DHT inhibitor....which is what we are looking for here. of course hair regrowth will take years.....we figured that one with simple logic. but this dude wants to say finasteride is not beneficial to DHT inhibition until after 6 months. total bullshit. that is why i got so pissed at his post. thanks for pointing that out, and the 5% azelaic info. i knew i was doing the right thing....well kinda.... so we get from this that 5% azelaic acid is effective, and use 1mg per day of proscar during and around test cycles. period.

 

[Bad Black]

Ok. let me get this right. .. Are you smart folks sayin' this......

1. You can use a topical solution because what is happening is that the DHT is secreted to the top of the scalp or around the hair folicle? This is the process that causes it to fall out? So, by using the topical solution it will keep the area clean of DHT and what ever else may be being secreted and will allow them to grow?

2. By taking the propecia you are working from the inside and keeping the levels from raising in the first place?

3. If I use the combo of Azelaic Acid 5% + Minoxidil 5% in the rub on solution, is that better than just Minoxidil?

Please write a response as I would like to know what is going on. Thanks

1) Yes. topical application of anti-DHT agent will rid the area of DHT that causes hair to fall out (proposed to at least). also the nizoral works by cleaning the scalp/follicle, not as an anti-DHT...which also helps

2) Yes. propecia helps reduce greatly the aromatization of the DHT (the creation of it so to speak) therefore less circulating DHT

3) Yes. Why not use another anti-DHT agent if your using minoxidil anyway? it doesn't cost that much more, so i figure go for it. but you can get away with just minoxidil and the spiro. its a personal choice if you want to double up on the topical anti-androgens

 

[al1602]

Weellllllllll, HOT DANG! SIGN ME UP!!!


thanks guys. the Wholesale Hair House or what ever is the best place? I got the link in my email.. thanks again.

Then this is what i think i will do

1. 1mg Propecia daily
2. ED / EOD shampoo Nizoral 2%
3. "Azelaic Acid 5% + Minoxidil 5%" combo, apply nightly.

If that doesnt work.. F%$ it, I will get out the Norelco and be done with it.

Thanks again

 

[j_martinez]

spiro, azlaic acid, and nizoral

i have been using spiro, azlaic acid, and nizoral for almost a year now and could not be happier with the hair regrowth. before that i tried propcia for 1 year and it killed my sex drive did nothing for my hair. joe