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Newbies using 1000mg of testosterone a week?

Well.... ???

  • Yes (Don't be a lil bitch!)

    Votes: 55 17.4%

  • No (They should use lower dosages)

    Votes: 261 82.6%
  • Total voters
    316
Sittin' On Diesel

Sittin' On Diesel

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Hypothetical question here fellas. What is your opinion on someone using 1000mg (or more) of testosterone a week for their first time. By the first time, I mean their first time with testosterone, not anabolics in general.
 
I have never been able to get a vote to work right. When I click on "vote" the page changes, but I get no indication that anything has hapened, and if I go back and look at the results again, my vote was not counted. Is there a secret to getting this to work?
 
I believe somewhere around a gram of AS per week is fine for newbies, provided that a portion is an anabolic and an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex is used. For example Test (600mg/wk)/EQ (400mg/wk)/Arimidex. 1 gram of Test, even with Arimidex, might be too much for newbies----but after a few cycles and some experience, that would be a nice cycle IMO.
 
My first cycle with Test will be at 500mg/week. Why would I want to go to 1000mg when I don't even know how 500mg will affect me yet?

.02
Joker
 
2Thick said:
Your seriously have to be an idiot to even consider using that much for a newbie.

You might as well hit yourself in the head with a hammer while you are at it.
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lol...I'm w/you 2Thick, 500mg is good if done alone and u could get away w/250mg test along w/d-bol for the first 6 weeks.

By the way, 2Thick, did u get my e-mail. I sent it about a week ago.
 
This is an unfair question....... You have to take in a lot of consideration...... size for one


What if this newbie weighs in at 245 .....I'm not talking about the Michelin tire man

You all still think 1000mgs is a lot?
 
basskiller said:
This is an unfair question....... You have to take in a lot of consideration...... size for one


What if this newbie weighs in at 245 .....I'm not talking about the Michelin tire man

You all still think 1000mgs is a lot?
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It doesn't matter how much he weighs. His body still produces only about 50-70mg of test per week maximum, so anything beyond that (for 6-8 weeks) will be a huge improvement.
 
2Thick said:
Your seriously have to be an idiot to even consider using that much for a newbie.

You might as well hit yourself in the head with a hammer while you are at it.
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What's wrong with a newbie using a gram of test? Will he grow on 500mg/week? Of course...

But I'm willing to bet that at least 70% of the guys on this board will grow on 500mg/week-- maybe slow growth, but growth nonetheless.

There's no problem with a newbie doing that amount... It's not like a rec drug or something where you should start small and work your way up b/c of tolerance.. There's not tolerance to aas. Of course once you get bigger, you will need more AAS..

But a newbie doing 1000mg test/week will only get him bigger, faster.

Andy
 
Guys please wake up!!! 1 gram for a newbie? What the fuck.. why? I am taking 250mg sust every 5 days, and 15-25mg dbol per day and I am growing fast and getting really strong... (that's why I cut back).. I managed to get my Kcals to 4000...

A gram!!!! of test. The sust every 5 days is making me feel well revved up.......

Explain?
 
2Thick said:
Your seriously have to be an idiot to even consider using that much for a newbie.

You might as well hit yourself in the head with a hammer while you are at it.
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you're right but I can remember some idiots who were telling newbies to hit hard with 1000 mg of test and 600 mg of Deca....
 
2Thick said:


LOL... I thought that you knew more about the human body...I guess not
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Please explain! Im serious.. Please explain! No hand waving.

Thanks

Andy
 
Andy13 said:


What's wrong with a newbie using a gram of test? Will he grow on 500mg/week? Of course...

But I'm willing to bet that at least 70% of the guys on this board will grow on 500mg/week-- maybe slow growth, but growth nonetheless.

There's no problem with a newbie doing that amount... It's not like a rec drug or something where you should start small and work your way up b/c of tolerance.. There's not tolerance to aas. Of course once you get bigger, you will need more AAS..

But a newbie doing 1000mg test/week will only get him bigger, faster.

Andy
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You should know better...
 
Andy13 said:


Please explain! Im serious.. Please explain! No hand waving.

Thanks

Andy
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I am sure that you are familiar with elevted LDL, higher BP, acne, hair loss and the rest of the myriad of sides that come along with all of that fast growing you are talking about. So maybe you will gain a few more pounds, but at what price? Now if you say that arimidex is the answer then think about how much money would be saved if the person just used 250mg/week with a great diet and intensive workouts.

Using more than 250mg/week is just plain lazy for a newbie...and you know that.
 
Well maybe one could have more hairloss, prostate problems, acne etc. I would try smaller amount first to see how i would react. I will start my first test cycle on monday. I will use 500mg cyp/enanth 9 weeks and prop 50eod 3 weeks. Thats pretty much, but hey i dont use dbol.
 
I don't think, that 2Thick, as natural bodybuilder should even give advices, may be on Training and Supplement board. Guy obviously doesn't know much, and doesn't bother to learn.
 
Am I the only fucker putting any effort into my workouts?:D

12 sets... 2 rep maximum's to get stronger.. but mindful of injury - always listening...

250mg sust every 5 days, 15-25 mg dbol... a joint.. a beer... worked out every day last week.. just twice this week... growing like crazy.. very pleased... very shocked... enjoying it.
 
Hey Thick,
.... so now I'm confused, i worked on getting my first cycle together going by what some of you vets have said(not you in particular) that has 1000mgs of test in it.

I'm about to start it mid aug......

Are you saying that one should do a smaller cycle as a first.

I also seen alot of people say that their first cycle sucked because it was so small. But I know that it could have sucked because of a number of other things other than what juice they were using.....(diet)


Just wondering dude
basskiller
 
2Thick said:


I am sure that you are familiar with elevted LDL, higher BP, acne, hair loss and the rest of the myriad of sides that come along with all of that fast growing you are talking about. So maybe you will gain a few more pounds, but at what price? Now if you say that arimidex is the answer then think about how much money would be saved if the person just used 250mg/week with a great diet and intensive workouts.

Using more than 250mg/week is just plain lazy for a newbie...and you know that.
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So there are more sides simply because it's his first cycle? Please... Are you telling me that if you were natural, untrained again that you would start off at 250mg/week of test? And that 1g of test as you first cycle gives more sides than if it was your second, third?
Do you think that if a newbie starts that high that he'll get immune to it and need more to get bigger after that?

Andy
 
Andy13 said:


So there are more sides simply because it's his first cycle? Please... Are you telling me that if you were natural, untrained again that you would start off at 250mg/week of test? And that 1g of test as you first cycle gives more sides than if it was your second, third?
Do you think that if a newbie starts that high that he'll get immune to it and need more to get bigger after that?

Andy
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have you been at the chemicals?:confused:
 
Andy13 said:


So there are more sides simply because it's his first cycle? Please... Are you telling me that if you were natural, untrained again that you would start off at 250mg/week of test? And that 1g of test as you first cycle gives more sides than if it was your second, third?
Do you think that if a newbie starts that high that he'll get immune to it and need more to get bigger after that?

Andy
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You know exactly what I mean. 1000mg of test has at least twice the sides of 250mg per week (if not much more).
 
basskiller said:
Hey Thick,
.... so now I'm confused, i worked on getting my first cycle together going by what some of you vets have said(not you in particular) that has 1000mgs of test in it.

I'm about to start it mid aug......

Are you saying that one should do a smaller cycle as a first.

I also seen alot of people say that their first cycle sucked because it was so small. But I know that it could have sucked because of a number of other things other than what juice they were using.....(diet)


Just wondering dude
basskiller
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I will just tell you that you do not need that much test to make great gains on any cycle in the next few years (unless you are one of those very few people that do not respond well to test).

What will give you great gains on a cycle will be diet, rest and training. The dosage of the gear is secondary.

Just remember that once you use 1000mg of test in a cycle, there is no going back to 250mg or 500mg per week. Just be careful because you are going into dosages that come with serious sides one day.

I would say 500mg/week max for the 1st cycle.
 
There are sane users here then... I was beginning to wonder why we the minority... doesn't it just feel too puffy on a gram? for a newbie? for a pro bodybuilder even... surely some of them take no more than a gram a week? Anyone?:confused:

Yours Naively
Gary
Cloud Cuckoo-Land
with the fairies and goblins




**I am not worthy.. I am not worthy..
 
2Thick said:


I will just tell you that you do not need that much test to make great gains on any cycle in the next few years (unless you are one of those very few people that do not respond well to test).

What will give you great gains on a cycle will be diet, rest and training. The dosage of the gear is secondary.

Just remember that once you use 1000mg of test in a cycle, there is no going back to 250mg or 500mg per week. Just be careful because you are going into dosages that come with serious sides one day.

I would say 500mg/week max for the 1st cycle.
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So after a cycle at 1g test/week, you will no longer grow on 500mg? Mmmmm..... I don't think so..

1000mg having more sides? Perhaps.. But were talking about a first cycle here... The sides from 1000mg/test are (pretty much) the same regardless of how many cycles you have done.

Does a newbie need more than 500mg/week to grow? OF course not.

Will he grow more with 1g? YES, or course he will..

Will the sides be greater? Of course they will! That just makes sence, doesn't it? More gear = more gains and more sides.
 
The point is, that newbie does not know how will he react to the gear!!! If his nipples starts to get puffy on 500mg, what would happen if he take 1000mg? Also i dont know if or not i'm prone to hairloss and that is the reason why i wouldnt use that much at first time.
 
"Your seriously have to be an idiot to even consider using that much for a newbie.

You might as well hit yourself in the head with a hammer while you are at it."

2Thick> Did you mean me?


Joker
 
I thought we were assuming that the newbie was a well-informed member of Elite and that he/(she, he he) knows the risks of 1000mg of test/week and that the appropriate precautions were taken..
 
gary, i'm gonna start doing that 12 set 2-3 rep shit. do you do that on all body parts or just chest/legs?
 
Andy13 said:


1000mg having more sides? Perhaps.. But were talking about a first cycle here... The sides from 1000mg/test are (pretty much) the same regardless of how many cycles you have done.
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Okay, so have you ever used 500mg of sust and then used 1000mg of sust and compared the sides?
Trust me when I say that only a hand full of people have done that on this board and they will tell you that the sides are not the same.
 
basskiller said:
Hey Thick,
.... so now I'm confused, i worked on getting my first cycle together going by what some of you vets have said(not you in particular) that has 1000mgs of test in it.

I'm about to start it mid aug......

Are you saying that one should do a smaller cycle as a first.

I also seen alot of people say that their first cycle sucked because it was so small. But I know that it could have sucked because of a number of other things other than what juice they were using.....(diet)


Just wondering dude
basskiller
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this is exactly what I said some vets (and I wont mentionned who, but some even have their own website) promote cycles including more than a gram of test. I saw one recommending 1500 mg !!!! dude just dont do this mistake. My first cycle was made of 500 mg of sustanon for 8 weeks along with 50 mg of winny ED for the last 3 weeks... I gained 20 lbs and my diet wasnt that good so imagine.....
 
2thick hit it on the button...

That much is not needed for a beginner. I personally know a guy who ran no more than 250mg sust and 200mg EQ every 5 days off for a year straight and he got up to 245lbs (10% bf) from 200.

He gained 45lbs in one year off of that? What?

Well, maybe this explains it:
He is diabetic (used plenty of slin) and he ate around 1,000 calories every two hours whenever he wasn't sleeping...that's another thing, he would always get 8-9 hours of sleep whenever possible.
 
A newbie doesn't need that much.

Maybe if you explain that twice the amount of test is not going to give him twice the gains he'll start to understand.
 
I really don't understand the bullshit about newbie not knowing how he will react to test. Whoever say it, I'm sure, never even did 1g of test. You can give newbie 2g of test and nothing bad is going to happen. Of course, sides will be big, but they are very easy to control on 1g of test. Liquidex for aromatisation, Saw Palmetto for prostate, B5 or Acutane, if B5 doesn't work(it should, it's a matter of dosage) for acne, well, for hair, who said that someone who prone to hairloss will find out about it, by using steroids? That's absurd! Ask guys who are prone to hairloss, and then talk!
Gram of test is great.
Of course, some guys will grow on 250mg/week of Test(BTW, 2Thick, have you ever tried Test 1g/week, or in a matter of fact, any dosage of Test?) but it means that they are uniquly geneticaly gifted, or far away from they genetical natural limit and never even train hard before(those are lazy, not the guys on 1g of test, because one can't possibly be lazy in gym, if he uses gram of test, it's like being super nice on 40mg of Halo,lol)
But, vast majority of average users will greatly benefit from gram of test, and still will grow on 500mg/week of test in next cycles, especially if it's stacked with other compounds, like Tren, Dbol, Deca(be careful, it's evil!:D ), Winstol, etc...also, one will learn to eat more and not to overtrain,etc..
 
Just remember that once you use 1000mg of test in a cycle, there is no going back to 250mg or 500mg per week. Just be careful because you are going into dosages that come with serious sides one day.


I have to disagree. If afterwards, your natural test levels return to normal, it is no more than 50mg a week. You said so yourself. Then you may decide to do another cycle. If you do anything more than your natural levels, even just 200mg a week, it will result in gains, because it is more than your natural levels.

Don't get me wrong. I do not recommend doing such high dosages, and I do very modest dosages of steroids myself, but the facts are the facts man.
 
panerai said:
I really don't understand the bullshit about newbie not knowing how he will react to test. Whoever say it, I'm sure, never even did 1g of test. You can give newbie 2g of test and nothing bad is going to happen. Of course, sides will be big, but they are very easy to control on 1g of test. Liquidex for aromatisation, Saw Palmetto for prostate, B5 or Acutane, if B5 doesn't work(it should, it's a matter of dosage) for acne, well, for hair, who said that someone who prone to hairloss will find out about it, by using steroids? That's absurd! Ask guys who are prone to hairloss, and then talk!
Gram of test is great.
Of course, some guys will grow on 250mg/week of Test(BTW, 2Thick, have you ever tried Test 1g/week, or in a matter of fact, any dosage of Test?) but it means that they are uniquly geneticaly gifted, or far away from they genetical natural limit and never even train hard before(those are lazy, not the guys on 1g of test, because one can't possibly be lazy in gym, if he uses gram of test, it's like being super nice on 40mg of Halo,lol)
But, vast majority of average users will greatly benefit from gram of test, and still will grow on 500mg/week of test in next cycles, especially if it's stacked with other compounds, like Tren, Dbol, Deca(be careful, it's evil!:D ), Winstol, etc...also, one will learn to eat more and not to overtrain,etc..
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I think this one is for me :) Yeah yeah bla bla sides can be control. But still i dont suggest anybody to do gram test for first cycle. I think that suggesting newbie to use gram test would be same to suggesting some one new to alchol drink bottle of 60% Vodka.

Imo 250mg is too low for any cycle, 500mg is good and 1000mg is unneccesary for first cycle.

Knowing if you are prone to hairloss, by sterods absurd? How the hell else i would know it? You tell me and i will take gram test week anytime!

I'm 22 with tight hair, but my mother and her brother's have thinned hair, but my father has good hair. How will i know that did i have those genes from my mother or father? Dont tell me that look your mom's father, because it is bullshit! In fact you can get mbp from great, great, great grand father and from the both sides.

So in few weeks i will see if or not i'm prone to hairloss, because i start cypionate/deca/prop cycle on monday. If the hairloss starts i know then that i'm prone to it. What absurd is on that?
 
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WTF!!!!!!!

I back 2Thick on this.

A newbie simply does not need that much test! He will grow extremly well on 500mg. He will even feel like superman with that dosage if he eats and trains right. A newbie is not going to know what to do on that much test. Yea, granted he will grow but at 1gram a week, if he is a real man, he wont be able to control himself simply because he is not used to the feeling it will give. My first cycle my fucking voice changed and I my temperment was different on only a vial of sten a week! thats only 125mg of test. Just my experience but shit, on a gram a week I personally wouldnt have been able to handle it.


posted by Sittin on Diesel
Hypothetical question here fellas. What is your opinion on someone using 1000mg (or more) of testosterone a week for their first time. By the first time, I mean their first time with testosterone, not anabolics in general.

Andy13, I did not interpret that to mean the person was a well informed member of elite and that they new the risk of using 1 gram a week.



posted by Andy13:
I thought we were assuming that the newbie was a well-informed member of Elite and that he/(she, he he) knows the risks of 1000mg of test/week and that the appropriate precautions were taken..

Nowhere in this thread did I read that except in your post.

Until a newbie knows how to use steroids and how they effect his body he should not use a gram of test on his first cycle.

The Agent
 
WHY????

I did my first sust cycle (I've done deca and a little other stuff in the past) and made AMAZING gains on only 250 mg./week. Tons of guys at the gym wanted to know what I was doing -- just 250 mg/week. My point is, start small, find out how YOUR individual system responds to a particular substance, then add more if necessary.

The whole point of using AS is to get as much bang as possible out of the least amount of gear, so as to limit side effects, receptor downgrading, disruption of your natural test production, and toxic damage to your innards.

Starting with such a high amount is totally wasting the significant gains this guy could probably make on lower amounts. This seems really short-sighted to me and "macho" in the most juvenile sense of the word.

Is he trying to make real gains or trying to impress his friends with the amount of side effects and toxicity he can handle?

Use as little as possible. If it doesn't work, inch up the dose.
 
JoelJuice, I'm prone to hairloss, and know what I'm talking about. It's not such a simple matter, and very individual thing, but if you have nice hair now, and you think that using gram of test for 8-12 weeks will make any significant difference, you are very, very wrong.
It takes years to loose hair, even on steroids, unless you are exceptionally prone to it, but then, you would know for sure by now.
Looking at your parent and grandparents will not help, I agree with you.
Ercole, you really must do some more research on side effects from steroids, before you post. Most of your statements are outdated, even by this board standarts.
 
too much for a rookie..........
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I like 2Thick's habit of preferring the side of caution and hard work. Why not have some reasonable expectations, then if a lower dosage helps you to reach these expectations, is this not more desirable?
 
joeljuice said:


I think this one is for me :) Yeah yeah bla bla sides can be control. But still i dont suggest anybody to do gram test for first cycle. I think that suggesting newbie to use gram test would be same to suggesting some one new to alchol drink bottle of 60% Vodka.

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Fuck that.. What a bullshit comparison... Those two aren't even apples and oranges.. Their apples and basketballs...

I thought we had a simple question going on here? Should newbies do a gram of test/week? The answer is NO! Nobody should do anything.

Now, on 1g of test- will sides be worse? Of course they will! Come on! I never said they won't be.

Will they grow on 250mg/week? Yes they will. I never said they won't.

What I'm saying is that it is not "wrong" for a newbie to do a gram of test/week... He will grow more and have more sides than 250mg.. But that just kind of makes sence, doesn't it?

Lets be real, guys.. ANd can we make it simple.. Some guys have the tendency to throw all this rediculous bullshit into a simple comparison.. Like.. "What if the dude starts the cycle and then loses his armidex pills... see, he souldn't start that high.."

Come on.. Can we just leave bullshit like this out for simplicity's sake? Lets just assume all preventatives are taken.

There's nothing "wrong" with a newbie doing a gram of test..

Andy
 
CLARIFICATION!

LET ME CLARIFY: This post is not about a newbie to anabolics in general. This is about a newbie to testosterone. This person would have experience with other anabolics, ie: deca, dbol, winstrol, tren, etc.

2Thick- I respect you man. Can you honestly say that 500mg of testosterone given to someone who is 145lbs and to someone who weighs 300lbs, that the results will be the same?

That seems a little crazy. Bodyweight is a primary factor in determining the effects- just look at alcohol (if both have never drunk anything before).
 
Just remember, you can only go up. So if they do 1000mg this time, then next time, they'll need 1250mg, and so on. Start low, really low. If you don't get the gains you want, you can always up the dosage next time. If you start out at 250mg and don't gain much, then you'll still be able to go up to 500mg next time and gain more. If you start with 1000mg, you'll get great gains, but you could fuck your system up, and then that 500mg really isn't going to do shit for you. Take it from someone who knows about over doing it. When I decided to up my protein intake, I went from 400g/day to 1000g/day. I spent the next day on the toilet. Then I came to my senses and went to 450g/day, then 475g/day, then 500g/day, and so on. Now I can take in 1000g a day and be okay and make good advances. It takes time to grow, but it's worth it.

BH
 
Andy13 said:


Fuck that.. What a bullshit comparison... Those two aren't even apples and oranges.. Their apples and basketballs...

I thought we had a simple question going on here? Should newbies do a gram of test/week? The answer is NO! Nobody should do anything.

Now, on 1g of test- will sides be worse? Of course they will! Come on! I never said they won't be.

Will they grow on 250mg/week? Yes they will. I never said they won't.

What I'm saying is that it is not "wrong" for a newbie to do a gram of test/week... He will grow more and have more sides than 250mg.. But that just kind of makes sence, doesn't it?

Lets be real, guys.. ANd can we make it simple.. Some guys have the tendency to throw all this rediculous bullshit into a simple comparison.. Like.. "What if the dude starts the cycle and then loses his armidex pills... see, he souldn't start that high.."

Come on.. Can we just leave bullshit like this out for simplicity's sake? Lets just assume all preventatives are taken.

There's nothing "wrong" with a newbie doing a gram of test..

Andy
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Ok. I didnt mean that you will have less sides from gram test if you use like in third cycle 9 instead of first. I just wanted to use that alchol think to make my point clear, it is principal thing

I agree that more gear, better results and more sides. Does newbie need that much do like you said.

Exacty! Newbie can use gram test! But he wont need it. I would save the money and increase the dosage on next cycles :)

Peace

:)
 
panerai said:
JoelJuice, I'm prone to hairloss, and know what I'm talking about. It's not such a simple matter, and very individual thing, but if you have nice hair now, and you think that using gram of test for 8-12 weeks will make any significant difference, you are very, very wrong.
It takes years to loose hair, even on steroids, unless you are exceptionally prone to it, but then, you would know for sure by now.
Looking at your parent and grandparents will not help, I agree with you.
Ercole, you really must do some more research on side effects from steroids, before you post. Most of your statements are outdated, even by this board standarts.
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I have top admit that i'm too paranoid with this hairloss thing. When i was little kid and saw bald man, i decided i wont never be like that :)

Well i'm starting monady my cycle and first 3 weeks i have pretty much test 500mg cypionate and 50mg prop eod. On third i will use Omna or Sust 750mg week and i will frontload it anything between 1000-1500mg. I'm on of those guys whp wants to go step by step.

Btw look on anabolicfitness thís same guestion is there, but answers are way more better than here :)

I dont see why my statements are old?

Peace :)
 
Joel, not your statements, Ercole's. It was directed at him.
I think, Andy made an excellent point, nobody should use 1g of test, but there's nothing wrong with newbie doing so, as long as he takes proper precautions.
 
panerai said:
Joel, not your statements, Ercole's. It was directed at him.
I think, Andy made an excellent point, nobody should use 1g of test, but there's nothing wrong with newbie doing so, as long as he takes proper precautions.
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Ok, sorry i was reading wrong. Yep Andy made good point.

Aah shit! Sometimes my writing looks awfull, because i'm writing too fast :D
 
Okay, Panerai, back your BS

Panerai wrote: "Ercole, you really must do some more research on side effects from steroids, before you post. Most of your statements are outdated, even by this board standarts."

Rereading my post I can't see one statement that's "outdated" or shows ignorance of side effects. I didn't even mention specific side effects. What is your problem? I posted pretty much what everyone else posted: why use more before you've found out what less will do for you, since once you've upped your dose, it's hard or impossible to get good results from less.

Name ONE statement I made that's "outdated", or quit bagging on people who simply hold a different opinion from yours. The extent of your own knowledge is made clear by your recommendation to use Saw Palmetto with Test. (Maybe you da man that should be doing some research ...)

IOt's possible to disagree without being nasty, muscle man. Word.:fro:
 
There is no reason for anyone who has not used steroids to use anymore than 500-600mg of Test. If you cant grow off of that with proper training and diet, go buy a tennis racket, because you need a new hobby...
 
Re: WHY????

Ercole said:
The whole point of using AS is to get as much bang as possible out of the least amount of gear, so as to limit side effects, receptor downgrading, disruption of your natural test production, and toxic damage to your innards.
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Ercole, first of all, I want to apologize. My remark was unfair and unpolite, and I really don't want this or any other thread to become some kind of personal war, we all are on the same side.

As for the facts, I would like to discuss side effects that you mentioned above. Let's look at them one by one:

1.receptor downregulation. I look up and found excellent article by Bill Roberts. Here is the link, please, read:
http://www.anabolic-androgenic-steroids.com/articles/pharmacology/androgen-receptor-regulation.htm

2.disruption of your natural test production. I found two studies, wich show that 250mg of Test will supress user completely within two weeks, and it's not going to be any difference in suppression comparing to 1g.
Here:
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/281/1/93#F2
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9394096&dopt=Abstract

3. toxic damage to innards. Good links:
http://www.medibolics.com
Q&A : Steroids and the Liver by Walter Jekot, MD
Commentary: Steroids and the Liver
The Chemistry: Steroids and the Liver by Patrick Arnold

As for use of Saw Palmetto for prevention of prostate problems, there are plenty of studies comparing effeciency of Saw Palmetto to Finasteride and proving that they are equal in results, with much less side effects with Saw Palmetto and actually, it has such a multiple way of action that we don't even know all the benefits of using it yet. Also, there are plenty of users testimonials of positive effect of Saw Palmetto on their prostate and even hair.
 
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brianharper94 said:
Just remember, you can only go up. So if they do 1000mg this time, then next time, they'll need 1250mg, and so on. Start low, really low. If you don't get the gains you want, you can always up the dosage next time. If you start out at 250mg and don't gain much, then you'll still be able to go up to 500mg next time and gain more. If you start with 1000mg, you'll get great gains, but you could fuck your system up, and then that 500mg really isn't going to do shit for you. Take it from someone who knows about over doing it. When I decided to up my protein intake, I went from 400g/day to 1000g/day. I spent the next day on the toilet. Then I came to my senses and went to 450g/day, then 475g/day, then 500g/day, and so on. Now I can take in 1000g a day and be okay and make good advances. It takes time to grow, but it's worth it.

BH
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That is a common misconseption. If you did a gram test and then in following cycles would not grow off of anything unless it was over a gram of test, then when he comes off he will shrink smaller then he was before he even started juicing.

If a guy did a gram of test/week,,, IMO he could stay at that dose for a VERY long time and continue to make gains... Only until he starts to look like a pro bodybuilder will he ever need more.

Andy
 
Just because you don't have 3000 posts like some people on the board, doesn't necessarily make you a newbie to juice. I'll assume you meant newbie to juice, and reply that its an individuals choice, but probably not necessary for the first or second cycle
 
i'm a newbie at 220 and think 1g/week would be better (if you know you'll react well, i'm sure everyone's different).
 
I will say this again

I copied this off another post. It fits in here too.

agree that a lot of guys use way to much for there developement, time using and reasons for juicing in the first place. I realize their reasons are as valid to them as mine are to me but here is my point and thoughts. I have been using since 1993. I compete nationally. I do not know how many people here compete at all or how many compete at national level. I will say I use quite a bit of gear. I will also say that the guys I am going aginst use a hell of a lot more. $5000-10,000 just for their show cycle. That is a lot for a trophy and a title. Now I see newbies using as much as me and I compete at 5'7" and I hope to come in at 215-220# at 3.4% at the USA. I think these are some pretty good statistics. If these guys are 170# and it is their first time out of the box why would they need to use as much as I am to compete at a damn high level when most of them just want to fill out their shirts more and look better? And if you are a hard gainer you probably have low receptor afinity anyway. So with that in mind, if you have a hard time making use of 500mg of test a week, What good is 1500mg going to do besides give you a lot of sides? I worry about my health andI am as careful as I can be. Many of these guys seem young, Youth often coinsides with a feeling of invinceability. Well none of us are inviceable. I just hope everyone is carfull with themselves and the advice that is dipensed to others. I am not flaming anyone or belittling anyone's reasons for using. all i am saying if you use gear also use some common sense. Sorry this was so long.
 
dont kill the post yet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,any way ,,,,,,,, 250 of test is like 70mg alcahol,,,,,so its like 180mgs of test an it disipates as it is absorbed so 180*2=360 ,,,,,,,,,,sooooooooo its really 360mgs of test,,wait lets add a amp 360+180= 540,,,so 750 is really 540 without the alachol<540+180=720> soooooo,its not really a gram its 720 not even counting the abzorbtion rate,,,,,,,,,,,,,so as me being a ''newbee'' id have ta have 4 amps a week anyway for my body even to ''see'' neer 720 -minus the abzorbtion rate,,,right ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hey is there a way to DAILY monitor peak blood levels in an indivigual ,because everyones different,,,,,,,,,,,??????????,,, correct me if im wrong please
 
crash3837 said:
What the hell kind of a question is this, of course no.
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its a normal question bro. there are actually clowns who recommend this shit. i agree with why you are shocked but there are people recommending this. 200-500mg weeks tops is all one should do for a beginner. shit ive done several cycles already and i still wont go over 500mg test a week.
 
I had a mod from another board recommend this for my first cycle- Test@750mgs for 8 weeks, Deca@400mgs for 8 weeks, and Dbol@40mgs a day for the first 4 weeks. Now, this is a FIRST cycle!! I weigh 245lbs, but this IMO is OVERKILL!!!
 
Actually I have seen so called experts state that 1g e/w of test is the best and the sides won't be much greater than if using 500mgs e/w. Also they said this is for most people and anything over 1g e/w has a disproportionate increse of sides to gains ratio. But I don't know for sure and I'm sure most people posting don't either and are just going with popular opinions. Another thing is any body that said weight doesn't make a diffrence is crazy. If someone is 150lbs. they will not need as much as some one that starts a first cycle at 220lbs. The reason you need more and more steroids is due to the fact that your farther away from your natural potential and has nothing to due with building a tolerance to steroids(This is an outdated myth). Plus I see some of you saying I gained 15-20lbs. which is good. Well guess what I know a kid that ran a cycle of test at 1g e/w and gained 35lbs. and kept 28 of it. All in all if someone does take 1g e/w for their first cycle and takes arimidex I'd bet their worst side effects would be stretch marks and not much else.IMO
 
There is only so much muscle you can add. Increasing gear dosages beyond your max will simply mean more side effects. Sure you may gain more weight but it will be just water. A newbie taking 1g or more is just ludicrous. I've been training for 13 years, 7 on gear and use about 1/2 that now, yet still have great gains.
 
PimpnAintEasy said:
...unless they weigh over 150 lbs.
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I went from 200lbs to 220lbs on 250mgs of test ent for 10 weeks.
I'm 240 now clean. I never use more than 500mgs of test!
 
I can think of two IFBB pros I know that are or have been very successful that have never used more than 750mgs of test a week.
Yes, they have stacked with other things like winstrol etc.
When it comes to test though. 750mgs was their limit.

I get all my gains from knowing how to eat. I try to stay lean year round. So I eat very low carbs. I am happy where I am at. The thing is I still grow. 240 clean isn't bad at 8% or so.

If you need a gram right off the bat you should take a look at your diet!
 
panerai,
The "Group" I should've run with (Immediate Results and Worry About Life/Side-Effects Later) were stickng-loaded pins and lost their hair B4 thirty. Too Early=Too Early!!!!
 
only 1000 mg a week??

why not up it to
2000 mg test a week
200 mg Adrol a day for 16 weeks
100 mg Halotestin a day for 16 weeks
???

newbie's receptors are so fresh.... :)

and now serious...
1000 mg is way too much
start with 500 mg and see how that goes.

peace
 
I really think one should start out low at 250-500mg/week. I have friends that blow up off of 250mg and others that won't see any effects unless they are 750mg +. You don't know how your body will react until you try it. If you can blow up off of 500mg, why waste the cash by bumping up to a gram?
 
slat1 said:
If you need a gram right off the bat you should take a look at your diet!
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Amen bro.

I cant believe someone even asked this. Better safe than sorry tho I guess :chomp:
 
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