Newbie... What about this stack?

[zany90]

Ok please do not rip into me, im new to steroids in general, and i know that oral steroids are very hard on the liver and kidneys, but to be honest i am 100% not ready for any kind of injectables just yet... im 21 years of age, and aiming for a more muscular look.

I am currently on the loading phase of creatine, ie 5 teaspoons daily, and after the week is finished, will be down to 1-2 teaspoons daily.

Also using Maximuscle Promax shake, 3 scoops daily, mixed with milk and raw egg white.

Multivitamins also.

Now for the steroids... Was thinking of doing Anabol, 30mg daily for 2 weeks, then winstrol, 30mg daily for 4 weeks, using tamoxifen during the cycle, and clomid after the cycle... The reason for this is that ive heard that anabol is a bulker and winstrol being a tightener... like i said please dont rip into me im just looking for advice, and am not prepared to go near an injectable despite anything. If this is not a good idea, please recommend another steroid i could use alongside the anabol or afterwards.

Also i have heard that "milkthistle" helps to clean the liver of alot of the shite caused by orals, so would use this if recommended

Thanks in advance.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Ok please do not rip into me, im new to steroids in general, and i know that oral steroids are very hard on the liver and kidneys, but to be honest i am 100% not ready for any kind of injectables just yet... im 21 years of age, and aiming for a more muscular look.

I am currently on the loading phase of creatine, ie 5 teaspoons daily, and after the week is finished, will be down to 1-2 teaspoons daily.

Also using Maximuscle Promax shake, 3 scoops daily, mixed with milk and raw egg white.

Multivitamins also.

Now for the steroids... Was thinking of doing Anabol, 30mg daily for 2 weeks, then winstrol, 30mg daily for 4 weeks, using tamoxifen during the cycle, and clomid after the cycle... The reason for this is that ive heard that anabol is a bulker and winstrol being a tightener... like i said please dont rip into me im just looking for advice, and am not prepared to go near an injectable despite anything. If this is not a good idea, please recommend another steroid i could use alongside the anabol or afterwards.

Also i have heard that "milkthistle" helps to clean the liver of alot of the shite caused by orals, so would use this if recommended

Thanks in advance.

Milk thistle will help while using an Oral. Why are you not ready for an injectable. If you cannot use the needles and inject then dont even use steroids. How long have you been training and what does your diet look like.

 

[zany90]

I wouldnt be starting to use the steroids for several weeks until i have an established training regime, and to be honest, the cause for no injectables is a major fear of needles, plus the thought of something going wrong, doing it in the wrong place of the buttock or anything like that, just completly hate the idea... diet will still need work like i said im a newbie, but am eating as much protein as possible plus the protein shake etc, and cutting out all crappy foods alltogether. Going to stick to foods like red meats, egg, fish, chicken, pasta, rice, potatoes, vegetables etc. Like i said will not be using the steroids until i get an established diet and regime together but just trying to do as much research as possible, problem being i already have the anabol and clomid so was just looking for advice on what i can do to maximise effects. And would def use the milk thistle since ive heard from a number of sources that its good to use when on orals.

 

[ironcheif1984]

I wouldnt be starting to use the steroids for several weeks until i have an established training regime, and to be honest, the cause for no injectables is a major fear of needles, plus the thought of something going wrong, doing it in the wrong place of the buttock or anything like that, just completly hate the idea... diet will still need work like i said im a newbie, but am eating as much protein as possible plus the protein shake etc, and cutting out all crappy foods alltogether. Going to stick to foods like red meats, egg, fish, chicken, pasta, rice, potatoes, vegetables etc. Like i said will not be using the steroids until i get an established diet and regime together but just trying to do as much research as possible, problem being i already have the anabol and clomid so was just looking for advice on what i can do to maximise effects. And would def use the milk thistle since ive heard from a number of sources that its good to use when on orals.

Ok so how long have you been training. YOu need to get alot of things in order before you do a cycle and do more research on the site. From the sounds of it you are just now starting to train and its way to early to even think about using steroids i dont care if you are 21 you still dont have a base to work with.

 

[zany90]

The reason i joined the site is to get more information, and i already admitted that i need to get alot of things in order so please dont be so sharp. Its a simple question, ive been concentrating on triceps, biceps, chest and abdomen for possibly 4-5 weeks, only in the house, doing pushups, crunches, and various exercises with dumb/barbells, basically as much as i can... and i know its very early to be thinking about using them, but when the time comes, i want to know as much as possible ya know?

 

[ironcheif1984]

The reason i joined the site is to get more information, and i already admitted that i need to get alot of things in order so please dont be so sharp. Its a simple question, ive been concentrating on triceps, biceps, chest and abdomen for possibly 4-5 weeks, only in the house, doing pushups, crunches, and various exercises with dumb/barbells, basically as much as i can... and i know its very early to be thinking about using them, but when the time comes, i want to know as much as possible ya know?

I know what you mean about knowing as much as possible sorry if i am being *sharp* about it. Your number one goal right now is to go and get a real gym membership and a training partner. 4-5 weeks of training is way to early you will still make great gains naturally trust me just get in a real gym and find someone who can mentor you. You came to the right site just the wrong part of the forum focus on the Weight lifting forum and the Diet forum. Everyone here will help you and give you tips and advice. Dont use steroids until you have met your natural limit and only use them to get your body past that limit. Steroids are not muscle in a bottle you dont see instant results and if you were to use them now you would only lose everything you gained and waste your money because you dont have a foundation. You will fuck your tendons up because you will start lifting to heavy of weight to fast and your tendons will not be used to it you will only hurt your self if you start now. Stick around the site and train your ass off for a few more years and then ask the question about Steroids. Oh and post up some pics too so we can see what your working with. You can use tinypic.com

 

[zany90]

i understand what youre saying, guess the excitement of it all just brought me here too early... dont think im willing to join a gym until im in a bit better shape, as stupid as it sounds would probably be too embarassed to go to a gym without being a bit more built.. not fat or anything, just an average guy looking for more muscle bulk.. il try and post pics when i can thanks for the help

 

[needtogetaas]

You should get over that fear bro. I know its hard but your going to have to suck it up some time.

 

[ironcheif1984]

i understand what youre saying, guess the excitement of it all just brought me here too early... dont think im willing to join a gym until im in a bit better shape, as stupid as it sounds would probably be too embarassed to go to a gym without being a bit more built.. not fat or anything, just an average guy looking for more muscle bulk.. il try and post pics when i can thanks for the help

That is a good thing you came here early before you fucked your self up man. Joining a gym will get you in better shape then you will get at home bottom line IMO along with a good Diet and training regime.

 

[Nelson Montana]

That's a bit long to be on an oral. Make sure you include this. http://www.elitefitnessnutrition.com/Post-Cycle.-Liver-recovery-agent-anticatabolic/M/B000YZ1BEA.htm

You prob won't need nolva. Take some adex with the dbol.

 

[sugashane]

i understand what youre saying, guess the excitement of it all just brought me here too early... dont think im willing to join a gym until im in a bit better shape, as stupid as it sounds would probably be too embarassed to go to a gym without being a bit more built.. not fat or anything, just an average guy looking for more muscle bulk.. il try and post pics when i can thanks for the help

Don't be embarassed because you aren't huge. EVERYONE starts somewhere. Cutler, Coleman, Yates, Arnold ALL were small at some point. At a gym you have much more equipment to work with, can learn from watching and talking to vets, and can make a lot of progress. Learn how to eat, sleep and train properly. This will be all you need to get bigger.
Save steroids for later. I'm 20 and glad I have.

 

[eddymerckx]

wait 5-7 years....