Newbie to gear, not to lifing...going for it...

[2raptors]

Hi Forum, I've read some great stuff on this forum...you guys are a wonder of information.

Here's my deal:

I'm 45 yoa.
I'm 240lbs
I'm 19% bodyfat (down from 27% two years ago)
Former triathlete (back when men were men and teh sheep: Scared!)
Lifted weights most of my life....last 2 years, lifting for strength mostly...
obvisously had a good body comp change.....but it's NOT ENOUGH

I use kettlebells a lot, but am on a mass building, 10 week program by Christian Thib...(CANADA), a week into it and it's kicking my butt...

SO...I am thinking competing in Masters in a year or so, and wanted to put on some quality muscle now...what I have has matured to the point it needs a kick in the ASS.

SO, I was thinking this stack....what do YOU think...any input, and I won't start for another 2-3 weeks (still waiting on some of it):

HGH
Deca Nan
Primo

HGH daily.... Deca every few days with primo (following guidlines on 1/2 life). throughout the 8 week mass cycle....

I know this is not a long time on it....but I want to investigate how my body reacts...I can go longer after and keep building if it works.... but it's what "others" have recommended and what's available to me at this time.

Advise anyone?

Thanks

King Raptor

 

[hyp1]

for a first cycle this isn't a good idea in my opinion

I would stick with one compound that way if you have side effects you will know exactly what's causing it and can respond accordingly.also you don't even know how you will respond to gear in general,whether or not you're prone to hair loss,acne and/or gynecomastia.

I recommend you do a simple first cycle of testosterone enanthate 250mgs a week for 10 to 12 weeks.post cycle therapy will be a breeze and you will retain most if not of all of your gains.you will be amazed at how much you can grow on that dose and the strength you can achieve.you've got to see how you respond to gear in general before diving into the deep end and over your head.

running deca durabolin without any test would be a really bad idea also,the possibility of you getting deca dick is extremely high.

regardless,best of luck to you

 

[gslben]

^^Good advice

 

[2raptors]

I appreciate that advise...and will take it into consideration....

However, I only have DECA, HGH and Primo available to me.....

I was planning on doing very low dosing and increase as time went on....weighing continued use against any sides I did not like...

I don't have test, or any others available to me right now.... should I start with the HGH alone, first, see how it goes? Has anyone else done THIS stack? used any of them as stand alone supps?

And, if so, can someone share the proper stages / dosing of this stack to get the most benefit (sans side effects?)

Thanks again!

 

[Cal_21]

How much HGH do you have?

 

[2raptors]

10x10IU to start....

Thanks for the reply!

mark

 

[xrsist]

i wouldnt run decca without test ever bro. primo alone wouldnt be too bad if you cant get test but i find that strange that primo is availabe but test isnt.. nelson could chime in about primo only first cycle

 

[Acela]

I appreciate that advise...and will take it into consideration....

However, I only have Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , human growth hormone - somatropin - and Primobolan - methenolone - available to me.....

I was planning on doing very low dosing and increase as time went on....weighing continued use against any sides I did not like...

I don't have test, or any others available to me right now.... should I start with the HGH alone, first, see how it goes? Has anyone else done THIS stack? used any of them as stand alone supps?

And, if so, can someone share the proper stages / dosing of this stack to get the most benefit (sans side effects?)

Thanks again!

i agree with hypl & glsben 100%, but i f those are the only componds you can get...the only compound that i would possibly run alone would be the primo @ maybe 600 mgs EW for 10 weeks +-

but do your research, i have personally never run primmo i am just going by feedback on the board.

Nelson Montana would be a good person to discuss primmo with

best of luck

 

[rambleon]

I'm very much in agreement with hyp.

However if u insist on making something of the compounds avaliable to u i'd suggets doing the primo alone. U don't really have enough hgh to get the benefit and deca by itself is a ticket to limpdickville.

Primo on the other hand is perfect for adding quality mass. It will not be spectacular but u'll get to keep a good portion. Besides primo is low on sides and makes less stringent demands on diet. With hard work and patience primo really delivers.

That being said i still think u should try to get som test e for ur first run. 250mg ew for ten weeks = perfect. Especially since u've reached an age where ur bodys own production slows down. Some test would go a long way in making u able to get results like when u were ten years younger.

Good luck man.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm very much in agreement with hyp.

However if u insist on making something of the compounds avaliable to u i'd suggets doing the Primobolan - methenolone - alone. U don't really have enough human growth hormone - somatropin - to get the benefit and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - by itself is a ticket to limpdickville.

Primo on the other hand is perfect for adding quality mass. It will not be spectacular but u'll get to keep a good portion. Besides Primobolan - methenolone - is low on sides and makes less stringent demands on diet. With hard work and patience Primobolan - methenolone - really delivers.

That being said i still think u should try to get som testosterone enanthate for ur first run. 250mg ew for ten weeks = perfect. Especially since u've reached an age where ur bodys own production slows down. Some test would go a long way in making u able to get results like when u were ten years younger.

Good luck man.

Agreed, though I think 10 weeks is too long, especially for a newbie. And an old one at that.

You may even be elligable for T replacement. Worth looking into.

Forget about the Deca. Trust me on this.

You're obviously in good shape so 400 mgs of Primmo for 6 weeks should add some nice lean mass and is about as safe as you can go with gear. Expect a modest weight gain -- 6-8 pounds. Natty supps are all you'll need PC . Look into UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE. A little HC G wouldn't hurt, but it's not essential.

Test the waters. See how you react. Make the most of it. And maybe next time you can do a little more with some (HR T?) test thrown in. That's the most sensible way IMO. Good luck bro.

 

[Apexx]

IMHO, u should never do a cycle based on what gear you have. You should plan ur cycle based on what's best for you and ur goals. You also shouldn't base a cycle on what someone else recommends.
I spent almost 5 yrs researching aas before i stuck a needle in my ass. I'm not saying take that long to read up on this shit, I'm just saying take the time to figure out what's best for you and know exactly what ur getting urself into before you start.

Good luck bro

 

[Nelson Montana]

IMHO, u should never do a cycle based on what gear you have. You should plan ur cycle based on what's best for you and ur goals. You also shouldn't base a cycle on what someone else recommends.
I spent almost 5 yrs researching anabolic androgenic steroids before i stuck a needle in my ass. I'm not saying take that long to read up on this shit, I'm just saying take the time to figure out what's best for you and know exactly what ur getting urself into before you start.

Good luck bro

I think that's what he's trying to do.

 

[2raptors]

Actually, I am eligible for T replacement, been tested...but, I don't have an inheritance to afford it!! HUGE $$ man, I mean...Ronnie C HUGE.....unreal.

So damn, I think I'm going to take all of your advise....and try to get some T..

But what is wrong with the GH? Just not enough? 10 weeks too long for GH? Nothing good coming from the boards at all about HGH....what's up with that?

Thanks

M

 

[2raptors]

And yes...I've been reading up on it...and have some "experienced" people who have recommended this...and I'm now not shure why....

Let's just say this: My current stats...240 @ 18%bf

My Goal: 245, 6%bf (or 250-255-265...whatever I can get muscle wise...) in a YEAR. ( I think that is fair to myself and not being too impatient and I always bust my ass in the gym)

Last year: 252, 23% BF
Year before: 272, 27% BF

Body comp changes courtesy of KETTLEBELLS and the mad russian: PAVEL, EDT via Charles Staley....very , VERY awesome workouts...Diet via Precision Nutrion, J. Berardi....

Back to my goal.

I guess I could get anything....but, I have been told that stacking Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - with growth would give me "help" the goals (10 week training cycle, 8 week "supp" cycle)

Nelson, if you were, therorectically, prescribing something for me to meet my goals (knowing I already, theoretically HAVE Deca, Primobolan - methenolone - and human growth hormone - somatropin - , all certified and tested...what you say my stack would look like (adding too, or subtracting from).....

How's that for more specific? NELSON...LOVE THE BOOK, BY THE WAY! Looking into your supps too....

M