Newbie needs help... First Cycle

[Trendsetter21]

Hey guys, new to the group and have some questions.

I’m a 33 year old male, 6’, 185lbs and 12-15% body fat (ectomorph). I have been working out hardcore for the last 18 months. I can not tell you guys how much money I have spent in those last 18 months on over the counter supplements… Somewhere in the realm of 10-15 grand, no joke. I had pretty good results almost put on 35lbs in those 18 months naturally. But since have cycled off everything and lost almost 20lbs and 2.5 inches on my arms and everywhere else, within a matter of months. I injured my shoulder and took a few months off. Injury’s suck, I feel like I lost everything I worked for over those months.

So now I say F-it, and am getting my hands on some gear. I have never been against any type of steroids and after doing massive amounts of research found the cycle I believe will suit my needs.


Thanks for the help.
T-

To be honest if you did gain 35lbs naturally and couldn't maintain it there is no reason to take steroids. I am all natural and have been training for over 12 years now and if you can't keep the weight you gain naturally (even with an injury) there is no way you will keep any gains with steroids. To lose 20lbs even though injured doesn't make any sense at all to me. Your diet obviously isn't on track to drop 20lbs. A few years ago I injured my back pretty bad and was out of working out for 4 months. I lost 2lbs only because I increased my calories and changed my diet since I knew I wouldn't be going into the gym and needed to maintain what I had gained. You are looking for an easy way when you've already stated that you made great gains naturally. Stop spending so much money on supplements. All you really need is creatine, glutamine, Whey Protein, (maybe casein for night). Muscles have memory and your gains would be able to come back in 2-3 months naturally. Also if you injured your shoulder you still could've been going to the gym. You could have bought bands and rehabbed your shoulder and been able to train lower body and probably would've been back in the gym in less than 2 months. My advice to you would be to gain back that 20lbs naturally before you venture into AS. If your diet is in check and you train hard there's no way you can't put that weight back on in 3 months. Only use AS after you have reached your natural peak. Also at your age if your spending 10-15k on supplements go see an HRT doctor. Get scripts and do it legal. You could get test and hgh all legal. Better to spend your money doing that and getting blood work than doing illegal activities. You asked for advice and thats mine, you don't have to agree with me or listen to it but it really is the best advice.

 

[tropo]

Hey guys, new to the group and have some questions.

I’m a 33 year old male, 6’, 185lbs and 12-15% body fat (ectomorph). I have been working out hardcore for the last 18 months. I can not tell you guys how much money I have spent in those last 18 months on over the counter supplements… Somewhere in the realm of 10-15 grand, no joke. I had pretty good results almost put on 35lbs in those 18 months naturally. But since have cycled off everything and lost almost 20lbs and 2.5 inches on my arms and everywhere else, within a matter of months. I injured my shoulder and took a few months off. Injury’s suck, I feel like I lost everything I worked for over those months.

You've only been training for 18 months and it would seem you're already on every available non-steroid supplement under the sun.

In that time you've already spent 2 months off due to a serious injury. I say serious because it would have to be to require total time off. An intelligent trainer can usually work around any injury. I used to go to the gym with gutter crutches as I had a fractured femur, tibia, ulna and radius (motorcycle accident) and even then I could find stuff to do.

I think steroids in your hands could be dangerous because it would seem that you have a seriously addictive personality as you already feel the need for so many supplements when just hard work and good eating could pay off just as well, especially in the first couple of years when building a strong foundation is most important...and you wouldn't lose everything so fast if you stopped.

If it takes so many supplements to get where you want to go, what's going to happen if you can't get them or afford them in the future. You'll just fizzle out because you've relied on them far too much. If you base your physique on basic good solid training and eating principles, you'll keep what you gained much more easily.

Learning something about overtraining would be a good start, as most beginners don't understand that the body can only take so much punishment and I'll bet my bottom dollar that you're seriously overtraining.

 

[jumpmaster82]

Just take 500mg of test e or c a week. That's alwas a good cycle reccomendation for a newbie. I wouldn't suggest anything else cuz honestly you sound like you have no idea what your doing.

 

[SaladFork]

Yeah, I really flew off the wagon and your spot on in your post. My diet is still really good, however I’m not trying to stuff 300 grams of protein and 3000+ cals down my throat so I was expecting to shrink some. I’m back on the workout training schedule and did not plan on doing a cycle till I had a few months warm up/break in under my belt. I injured my shoulder last January took two weeks of from doing press’s and it seemed to get better until June of last summer where I was going 6 days a week almost 12-14 hours a week in weight training along with my running and swimming and injured it again. I did keep cycling and swimming and cut out my running. I when I say swimming, running or cycle training, it’s meager compared to my lifting. I used to it help with my metabolism and keep my fat % down while injured. So yea, I can contribute a lot of my loss to replacing weights with cardio. I’m holding strong at 180lbs now, when a few years ago I was 150-160lbs. And 185 seemed to be that magic number was hard to get past that without weight gainers which made me feel like crap and bloated.

I’m 100% positive I can put that weight back on naturally within three months. And I was planning on going to see a Dr. about HRT. Wanted to do my research, ask my questions and get some feedback. Thanks Trendsetter, your advice is well received.

T-

 

[SaladFork]

You've only been training for 18 months and it would seem you're already on every available non-steroid supplement under the sun.

In that time you've already spent 2 months off due to a serious injury. I say serious because it would have to be to require total time off. An intelligent trainer can usually work around any injury. I used to go to the gym with gutter crutches as I had a fractured femur, tibia, ulna and radius (motorcycle accident) and even then I could find stuff to do.

I think steroids in your hands could be dangerous because it would seem that you have a seriously addictive personality as you already feel the need for so many supplements when just hard work and good eating could pay off just as well, especially in the first couple of years when building a strong foundation is most important...and you wouldn't lose everything so fast if you stopped.

If it takes so many supplements to get where you want to go, what's going to happen if you can't get them or afford them in the future. You'll just fizzle out because you've relied on them far too much. If you base your physique on basic good solid training and eating principles, you'll keep what you gained much more easily.

Learning something about overtraining would be a good start, as most beginners don't understand that the body can only take so much punishment and I'll bet my bottom dollar that you're seriously overtraining.

Your right, I tried every product under the sun. Well every Muscle Tech & BSN product… Not the addictive personality type, more into how it was making me feel. I felt great, never better and was getting good results but it was expensive, that was my gripe. And I think that is what gives gear the wrong impression, is people abusing them. And I do eat clean, have for quite a few years it’s how I had good gains, 3000+ calories a day, 300+ protein and 35 grams of fat. I’m not a newbie to nutrition or lifting, but am a newbie to the gear scene. I really appreciate all the advise, it shows people here care about others well being.

 

[702daswoll1]

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[SaladFork]

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HAHA, not! Remember you said that when I post pics of my gear!

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

You've only been training for 18 months and it would seem you're already on every available non-steroid supplement under the sun.

In that time you've already spent 2 months off due to a serious injury. I say serious because it would have to be to require total time off. An intelligent trainer can usually work around any injury. I used to go to the gym with gutter crutches as I had a fractured femur, tibia, ulna and radius (motorcycle accident) and even then I could find stuff to do.

I think steroids in your hands could be dangerous because it would seem that you have a seriously addictive personality as you already feel the need for so many supplements when just hard work and good eating could pay off just as well, especially in the first couple of years when building a strong foundation is most important...and you wouldn't lose everything so fast if you stopped.

If it takes so many supplements to get where you want to go, what's going to happen if you can't get them or afford them in the future. You'll just fizzle out because you've relied on them far too much. If you base your physique on basic good solid training and eating principles, you'll keep what you gained much more easily.

Learning something about overtraining would be a good start, as most beginners don't understand that the body can only take so much punishment and I'll bet my bottom dollar that you're seriously overtraining.

what makes you think he is overtraining based on what he told us? No where did I see anything about his routine, split or diet.

To the OP, it is hard to swallow that you can lose 20 of the 35 you gained going natty. What were you on? If you must do a cycle then start off with 250mg test e or test c once a week for 13 weeks. Youll like what you see.

But do some research please before you start. look through the htreads here and see what to look out for. Go to the diet and training threas/forums and look thruogh there.

There ar great peeps on here that are willing to help you out. Good lock

 

[SaladFork]

what makes you think he is overtraining based on what he told us? No where did I see anything about his routine, split or diet.

To the OP, it is hard to swallow that you can lose 20 of the 35 you gained going natty. What were you on? If you must do a cycle then start off with 250mg testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate once a week for 13 weeks. Youll like what you see.

But do some research please before you start. look through the htreads here and see what to look out for. Go to the diet and training threas/forums and look thruogh there.

There ar great peeps on here that are willing to help you out. Good lock

I’m a few months out from even doing a cycle. I’m taking that advice about getting up to my plateau again and see where I am at. I have never done a cycle and was all natural before, minus the shit you buy at SS & GNC.

I really could have been over training at the beginning, but was always careful and felt I had a good routine (was getting results). I used the routine from the Arnold Encyclopedia of body building, starting out beginner and working my way to the advanced 6 days a week. I have read both the first edition (10 years ago) and the second edition and found that to be all I need for laying out my routine. I don’t think I’m such a n00b that I’m clueless about my routine, eating and dieting. I just bought into the marketing of the major supplement companies. Did that help me gain? Maybe not physically but mentality I felt it was helping and kept me motivated to lift and stuff my face every day.

So I don’t need help with lifting or dieting… Just what cycle you recommend for a newbie gear user. And yes I am an ecto.
Thanks again !
T-

 

[sopac]

Somewhere in the realm of 10-15 grand, no joke.T-

Thats a shit load of money on supplements wtf were you buying?