Newbie here. Wanting to start a cycle.

[eddie2686]

I'm new to the forum. I've been working out for about 4 years now. I've tried supplements from GNC, Bodybuilding.com, etc. But I've been wanting to do a cycle for awhile now. Just not sure what would be best for me. I want to put on size and weight but still stay lean. I started at 113 lbs and now weigh about 140 lbs. I am definitely a hard gainer and have tried everything even tried to EAT EAT and EAT! Any inputs on what I should take starting out, along with dosage amounts? Thanks in advance. Here's how I look now.

Eddie

 

[jmat2407]

I'm new to the forum. I've been working out for about 4 years now. I've tried supplements from GNC, Bodybuilding.com, etc. But I've been wanting to do a cycle for awhile now. Just not sure what would be best for me. I want to put on size and weight but still stay lean. I started at 113 lbs and now weigh about 140 lbs. I am definitely a hard gainer and have tried everything even tried to EAT EAT and EAT! Any inputs on what I should take starting out, along with dosage amounts? Thanks in advance. Here's how I look now.

Eddie

Nothing. Your 140 lbs.

How old are you? How tall are you?

Please post your full diet plan. (what you eat, when you eat it, how much of it you eat). Also please post your workout routine.

Edit: Also not trying to be an asshole but your legs look like toothpicks compared to your arms. Now I'm very interested to see your workout routine.

 

[stevesmi]

I am curious about your age.

you look young. you need years of eating and training before you should even think about AAS use.

also looking at your legs you look like you don't know how to work them out. people who complain they can't put on weight usually are guys who neglect their legs. I suggest you use deadlifts and squats to boost your leg mass. most of your weight is in your quad/hammy's. that is your largest muscle. you need a strong trunk

 

[Pelton54]

Exactly what jmat said and by the way bro 27 pounds does not make you a "hard gainer" because by the looks of it you added alot of muscle and have low BF.....and also 140lbs is way to light to think about trying a cycle you need to be up another 30-50 pounds before it would be needed you can gain alot from just changing your diet and adding some natural supps from needtobuildmuscle

 

[Ranger11B]

I can tell you, you wont get any cycle advice untill your post some info like age, diet, routine, ect. Somthing you have to think about is getting to your max naturally will maximize your potential with steriods. You obviously have not been working legs at all bro i threw on more wieght by working legs than anything... Im gonna throw a very simple routine at you Sqauts you can even use the assisted machine, leg press, leg extensions, ham curls, weighted calf raises .... throw that into your week keep an awesome diet going on top of protein and weigh yourself a week or so later ill bet all the steriod info you want youve put on. Point blank and simple your not ready and with 4 years of training incorrectly your habbits will not yeild the results you want, plus youll haqve the retarted triangle look. Post up your stats, your diet, work out schedule and we will get you on the right path.

 

[Deltoid_87]

Ur legs need a hell of a lot of work, as does the rest of ur body before u start cycling bro. U need to eat. U think u eat a lot now but fact is u wouldn't be that small if u did I don't care how much of a hard gainer u are... It's all a matter of eating and training right, Without this a cycle is worthless and just a waste.

Sort out ur diet. More protein. More calories. Healthy fats. Make some big gains naturally, then run a cycle because if ur stuck natty, u'll be just as stuck with steroids. Trust me. Do that first then talk to us about a cycle.
Lean mass is ur goal, I'll say Test/Mast. when ur ready!

 

[eddie2686]

I'm 5'8" and I'm 25 years old. I'll post my current workout regimen and diet in a few.

 

[stevesmi]

you would put on 15 pounds easily if you worked out your legs!

like i said above .. squats and deadlifts.. rinse and repeat.

 

[RADAR]

you would put on 15 pounds easily if you worked out your legs!

like i said above .. squats and deadlifts.. rinse and repeat.

this is true, squats tax the entire body ,raises metabolism,increases adrealine,HGH,enhances better sleep so your body will produce more HGH,this is the secret to growth ,all the big boys do squats,Deads,power clens...etc!

 

[SouthernLord]

Listen to steve and radar

 

[Stryker1992]

Listen to steve and radar

I fully respect and agree with what you are saying but I did heavy squats for years and now my hips are destroyed. I have already had one surgery and need another....

I am not an advocate of free squats at all.....

and FYI

at 140 you look pretty good.

 

[stevesmi]

^^ he doesn't need to do heavy squats. he can do lighter weight squats or deadlifts 10-12 reps.. 3-4 sets.. then use some of the quad machines to really isolate the leg. then he can attack his calves.

looking at the pic its obvious he is one of those guys who works out the legs for like 5 minutes then spends the rest of the day on their upper body.

and yes i agree he has a good foundation in the upper body.. reminds me of how i looked when i was a triathlete. if he starts working his legs he could easily be ready for a first cycle in the next year (although I would like to see him wait 2-3 years)

 

[SouthernLord]

Yes. Prioritize the legs and back.

This doesn't mean doing singles with max weights.

 

[eddie2686]

Alright here's a sample of my routine for the past few weeks.

Monday- Chest/Back/Biceps/Triceps/Upper Abs
Superset #1
Incline Dumbbell Press 3x8-10
Pull-Up to front 3x8-10

Superset #2
Dumbbell Bench Press 3x10-12
Neutral Grip Pull-Ups 3x10-12
Superset #3
Dumbbell Hammer Curls 3x8-10
Overhead Dumbbell Tricep Ext. 3x8-10
Superset#4
Dumbbell Preacher Curl 3x10-12
Triceps Pushdown 3x10-12
Crunches 3x15-20

Tuesday Thighs/Hamstrings/Delts/Calves/Lower Abs
Superset #1
Squats (Wide Stance) 3x8-10
Dumbbell Stiff-Legged Deadlifts 3x8-10

Superset #2
Leg Extensions 3x10-12
Lying Leg Curls 3x10-12

Superset #3
Lateral Raises 3x8-10
Standing Calf Raises 3x8-10

Superset #4
Bent-Over Lateral Raises 3x10-12
Seated Calf Raises 3x10-12
Hanging Leg Raises 3x10-12

Wednesday- 20-30 minutes of cardio

I'll post the other two days on a separate post in a minute, gotta get the kids in bed.

 

[eddie2686]

Thursday- Chest/Back/Biceps/Triceps
Modified Compound Superset #1
Incline Barbell Press 3x 8,6,4
Close-Grip Chins 3x 8,6,4

Modified Compound Superset #2
Chest Dips 3x 8,6,4
Pull-Up to Front (Wide Grip) 3x 8,6,4

Modified Compound Superset #3
E-Z Curls 3x 8,6,4
Close Grip Bench Press 3x 8,6,4

Modified Compound Superset #4
E-Z Preacher Curls 3x 8,6,4
Lying Triceps Extensions 3x 8,6,4

Friday- Thighs/Hamstrings/Delts/Calves
Modified Compound Superset #1
Squats (medium stance) 3x 8,6,4
Lying Leg Curls 3x 8,6,4

Modified Compound Superset #2
Quadriceps Leg Press 3x 8,6,4
Barbell Stiff-Legged Deadlifts 3x 8,6,4

Modified Compound Superset #3
Seated Military Press 3x 8,6,4
Calf Press 3x 8,6,4

Modified Compound Superset #4
Upright Rows 3x 8,6,4
Standing Calf Raises 3x 10,8,6
Lying leg Raises 3x 10,8,6

Saturday- 15-20 minutes of cardio

 

[eddie2686]

As far as a diet goes. I don't really have a set diet right now really, it would go something like this.

Breakfast (after workout) 6:30am(ish):
Protein shake
1 cup oatmeal
8 oz. water

Mid-morning snack 9:30ish:
Protein bar
One serving of yogurt or cottage cheese

Lunch 12:00ish
Leftover dinner, usually chicken and pasta or some sort of casserole with chicken or beef

Afternoon snack 3:00ish
Either tuna fish or another protein bar

Dinner 5:00ish
Chicken and pasta or some sort of casserole with chicken or beef or chicken with brown rice

Evening snack (before bed)
Protein shake

 

[eddie2686]

And I do work out my legs every week. I have been told that I should work squats or leg extensions into my workout every day even if I'm not working legs that day, any thoughts on that?

Thanks for the inputs and the kind words on my upper body, haha.

 

[eddie2686]

Nothing?

 

[B3astmde]

I agree with these guys, I think you should wait and try naturally. I am on my first cycle ( got A LOT of info from this site when I was a member before) I chose to wait and im starting my first cycle and im 215lbs. You really should train for at least 10 years naturally I think and in the mean time read.


Please do your legs, a inch and a half of muscle on each leg is roughly 15lbs.


Squats( I like front)
Deadlifts
Military Press
Bench Press
Barbell curls
Food
Fill in with some iso movements after awhile and you should be good.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^yes

you don't work your legs very much. a picture tells it all. your upper body and lower body are like black and white

 

[B3astmde]

Using heavy weight does not necessarily mean muscle size. Lighter weight with higher rep range stimulates protein synthesis better. However if you use AAS you will be using more weight than normal BUT your rep range can still be 8-15 for example.



Say you bench 180 15 times and the guy next to you is doing 305 for 4-6..now say through better diet and recovery you are benching 200 for 8-15 and hes doing 350 for the 4-6 rep range

But obviously you dont start at 180 or 200...start at like 135..15 reps max..if its too easy start a little higher. Pyramid up.



It is possible for you to be twice his size.



So just because you are doing compound movements does not mean you need to slap on 5 plates and try to do it once. I believe 4 sets (5 if you feel awesome) with a rep range of 8-15 is money. Somtimes 20 is ok if you're just killin the set.



I used to lift 4-6 heavy weights and stopped growing a whole lot. I changed it up and been training that way for a year and now im 215 and just starting my first cycle. Ive been training for a lot longer than you though and im still always learning.


I really feel that you will be much more pleased if you wait and develop a sick base..to where ppl already think you juice..who cares if you put on a little fat and you cant see your abs that awesome all the time? Put some mass on, learn, if you still wish to use AAS then use..clean diet and some sprints once or twice a weak and bam you will clean all that up and look even better.

 

[gymjunkie09]

google madcows or bill stars 5x5 routine.........a routine like this will get your weight up quick with proper diet and increase your strength by leaps and bounds. At your age and size i'm willing to bet you could put on 20+ lbs in six months no problem

 

[B3astmde]

Yep thats a good routine, I can't say that I did that exact specific one but when I was just starting out I did the core compound lifts for about 6 months to a year and I did a 5x5 routine. It works as long as you keep up on the diet. Diet is key, supps can work but proper supp timing makes things even better.


Before I crossed over to the Dark side I did a stack that looked like this.

A50
Weight Gainer 2x a day
Multi Vitamin
Supp called green super food by amazing grass(5-9 servings of fruits and veggies in one scoop) take that in the AM but still eat some fruits and veggies throughout the day
Creatine
Protein mixed with some casein post workout for a few weeks then did a few weeks of no casein and just hydrowhey
Super Pump
Size on for intra


I think thats it and followed by a diet that looks something like this (granted i was 200lbs at the start)

Breakfast was 2 whole eggs on a bagel with cheese and ketchup
OJ or grape juice and mix my amazing grass supp in it
1 cup oatmeal
1 cup yogurt

I then took my digestive enzymes (NOW makes an excellent one) multi and fish oil


lunch was 1/2 lb pasta 1 chicken breast and a cup of veggies

snack was half serving of weight gainer 1/2 cup of yogurt handful of berries and 2 handfuls of almonds or walnuts



So basically you get the idea of how much I was eating, I trained hard slept a lot and i gained about 7-10 lbs.



I just wanted you to see that example because maybe it can help you see that you may be doing something a little different and you could perhaps try routine listed above and maybe make some diet and core supplement changes?

 

[gymjunkie09]

calculate your bmr and add 500 cals to that, 40/40/20 p/c/f ratio works for most. Im carb sensitive so i try to stick to 40/30/30 which will work well if you're looking to stay lean while bulking.............hit the diet and training forum and research research research and you will be impressed with the progress you can make naturally

 

[eddie2686]

That is one thing that kills me is the whole diet thing. It's hard being in the military and having two kids to make a decent diet. I'll research the products listed, I've never tried anything except one "cycle" if that's what you want to call it of SuperPump250. I'll do some research and possibly post up a workout log to keep track of progress.

 

[eddie2686]

So I should take A50, SuperPump 250 and SizeOn? All together?

 

[liffalot]

this is true, squats tax the entire body ,raises metabolism,increases adrealine,HGH,enhances better sleep so your body will produce more HGH,this is the secret to growth ,all the big boys do squats,Deads,power clens...etc!

This is also not to say that you have to do squats and deads to put on leg mass. Just do something for pity sake!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Training with heavy weights will build the bigger white muscle fibers -- but not everyone has a lot of them.

High reps build mitochondria which allows for more muscle growth, but the muscle must be saturated with blood. (Hence, the "pump.")

A combination of both is best but each individual will respond better to one style of the other.

 

[eddie2686]

Today I did squats, deadlifts, prone leg curls, leg presses and calf raises both standing and on the press machine. All were 3x 8,6,4