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first time squatting 485lbs, but got 6 reps, raw with no belt and ass all the way down. On some of the reps, I am leaning too far forward, not too happy about that, but I'll fix it and maybe shoot another video with 495 next week

BTW, be patient, video will likely load slow

squat 485 x 6
 
Looks sharp needsize. I do 465 regularly, but i use both a belt and knee wraps for my own protection. You are not worried about injuring yourself without a belt and wraps? I got a hernia doing squats around 500lbs when i was in my early 20's. I will be 33 tomorrow so that was quite a long time ago, but remember that like it was yesterday. Are you off or on (cycle) right now?
 
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thanks guys
currently on cycle, weighed in at 259lbs(5'8"). I'm running anadrol for the last 4 weeks of the cycle, and my strength has really gone up as a result
I havent used a belt in about 7-8 years, i went to a surgeon as I thought i had a hernia, and he explained about how the belt builds up abdominal pressure, and you will end up with a hernia if you have any weak muscles in that area. So I threw out the belt, and havent used it since. If I used one, I figure I would be squatting at least 550lbs for reps, but am paraniod about getting a hernia
 
so mr needsize from what you just said you'd recommend anyone not to use a belt?
 
fucking awesome. i cant wait till i hit that kind of weight. i dont use a belt either and i feel that i such a strong core as a result.
 
nice, I am working my way up there. I have heard wearing a belt makes the lower back muscles weak. I only wear one on heavy deads and heavy squats.
 
needsize said:
first time squatting 485lbs, but got 6 reps, raw with no belt and ass all the way down. On some of the reps, I am leaning too far forward, not too happy about that, but I'll fix it and maybe shoot another video with 495 next week

BTW, be patient, video will likely load slow

squat 485 x 6
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Need, for squats...is it really necessary to do ass to the grass? I mean..when I do squats, I do go way down. I would say " almost " ass to the grass. I sure as hell do not do any knee jerks. But then again...I do not go down as low as you do. So am I still getting the full benefits of the squat exercise?

Bro! How the fuck do you do it without wraps? When I do really fucking heavy..I need those wraps. Without them...I feel so weak. And without a belt?! Holy fucking shit! I feel like without the belt everything is going to pop out! That belt makes feel much stronger not only for legs, but also for any other body part I hit. A few years back I was doing squats on Adrol without a belt and got a hernia. Not fucking good!
 
Tweakle said:
Awesome job man, makes me wish I could work legs tonite :(
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You missed out on all the people doing half squats don't worry I made enough fun of them for both of us.


Great job Needsize when we going to squat togther? :qt:
 
needsize said:
thanks guys
currently on cycle, weighed in at 259lbs(5'8"). I'm running anadrol for the last 4 weeks of the cycle, and my strength has really gone up as a result
I havent used a belt in about 7-8 years, i went to a surgeon as I thought i had a hernia, and he explained about how the belt builds up abdominal pressure, and you will end up with a hernia if you have any weak muscles in that area. So I threw out the belt, and havent used it since. If I used one, I figure I would be squatting at least 550lbs for reps, but am paraniod about getting a hernia
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Definitely inspiring bro! I thought I was doing good doing 375lbs for a few reps...but I currently only weigh ~170lbs and am off-cycle; also have never used a belt or wraps. I train my abs hard every day...seems to help with lower back strength.
btw: I don't think I'm doing too bad for an old guy (53) :)
 
Phaded said:
so mr needsize from what you just said you'd recommend anyone not to use a belt?
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I would say stay away, or keep it to a minimum. Other than 1 ab exercise per week, I dont do anything else to train my midsection, but when I diet down to contest condition, my whole midsection is crazy, which I figure has to be from the heavy squats and deads(been up to 550lbs for reps on deads) without a belt.

Carth, I would say ass to the floor is key, thats where I got my best leg development, and there is no cheating when it gets heavy as you know the feeling of your ass touching your ankles. Its also safer on the knees, as the stress shifts from your knees to your hips when you go that low, and the hips are a way stronger joint.

Tweakle bro, you're only an hour away, and squat around the same as me, we have to hook up and hit legs. Superqt, same goes for you, but i get to dictate what you wear though(or dont wear)

smaretick, that is an impressive weight, I'm squatting 100lbs more, but I outweigh you by 90lbs as well
 
needsize said:
I would say stay away, or keep it to a minimum. Other than 1 ab exercise per week, I dont do anything else to train my midsection, but when I diet down to contest condition, my whole midsection is crazy, which I figure has to be from the heavy squats and deads(been up to 550lbs for reps on deads) without a belt.

Carth, I would say ass to the floor is key, thats where I got my best leg development, and there is no cheating when it gets heavy as you know the feeling of your ass touching your ankles. Its also safer on the knees, as the stress shifts from your knees to your hips when you go that low, and the hips are a way stronger joint.

Tweakle bro, you're only an hour away, and squat around the same as me, we have to hook up and hit legs. Superqt, same goes for you, but i get to dictate what you wear though(or dont wear)

smaretick, that is an impressive weight, I'm squatting 100lbs more, but I outweigh you by 90lbs as well
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How big is it? :qt:

PS: I'm talking about your thigh.
 
Awesome bro, I gotta agree. I don't use straps or a belt either...but I am not @ 485 for reps either.
It's wicked how your head turned purple after the first rep! LOL
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Fair enough as long as I get a hands on spot :qt:
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is there any other kind?

azul, quads are about 29" cold, which doesnt sound super big, but I'm only 5'8", with a 30" inseam, so they are as big around as they are long(from waist to ankle). They are about 27" in my avatar, so they've definitely gotten bigger
 
needsize said:
I would say stay away, or keep it to a minimum. Other than 1 ab exercise per week, I dont do anything else to train my midsection, but when I diet down to contest condition, my whole midsection is crazy, which I figure has to be from the heavy squats and deads(been up to 550lbs for reps on deads) without a belt.

Carth, I would say ass to the floor is key, thats where I got my best leg development, and there is no cheating when it gets heavy as you know the feeling of your ass touching your ankles. Its also safer on the knees, as the stress shifts from your knees to your hips when you go that low, and the hips are a way stronger joint.

Tweakle bro, you're only an hour away, and squat around the same as me, we have to hook up and hit legs. Superqt, same goes for you, but i get to dictate what you wear though(or dont wear)

smaretick, that is an impressive weight, I'm squatting 100lbs more, but I outweigh you by 90lbs as well
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NEEDLE: First let me say much respect to you and your video as you represent and have represnted the sport of Complete Bodybuilding very well. I wish more folks would take the attitude you have about squats then maybe we wouldn't see so many top heavy "power lifters" (slash) "bodybuilders" in the gyms like we see today.

However:

I stand 5'8 and routinly train legs and have ALWAYS, and I do rep bewteen 350 and 440 off cycle. Not bragging just saying I do like to bang my legs.

I'm splite between you and Carth on the "ass dragging thing" You do have to go low to an extent but, at a certain point on decent the strech on the quads and hams (the primary muscles being trained) are not being stressed making the lower "ass dragging" effect some what of a wasted movment. Instaed of a controlled lowering and raising of the bar it's reduced to somewhat of a bouncing/spring effect as no stress being on the legs at that point on the decent. This may not aply to you or I being that we're 5'8 but on a person 6'0 this would likley be the case.

Like I said i'm split cause if your legs are growing they're growing and besides that I thought you form was right on. ;)

Now about the belt and wraps:

Being that only a handful of us on EF train legs and that a handful of those are reping 400-500lbs REGULARLY don't you think it's a bad idea to suggest NOT using wraps and staying away from a belt?

SQ-
 
sir que, some good points there.
I can only comment on ass to the floor for me, as thats my experience, but my training partner alltraps is around 6", and squats ass to the floor too, and its never hurt him, and he has good quads. The key other than development, is the stress shifting to the hips once you pass parallel, the hips are so much stronger and it keeps the knees much more healthy

As for wraps and belt, I think wraps are a no no, unless you are a powerlifter going for a max, otherwise they are just doing the work your body should be doing, and much more likely to create imbalances. With a belt, the risk of hernia is much much higher if you use one, and it can lead to imbalances with core strength, but thats a personal decision. If one were to use one, I would keep it to a minimum. BUt personally I do think that not using one, keeping form bang on, and working on core strength is the way to go...but that is honestly just my opinion...and I can only base it on myself and what I've experienced
 
What impresses me most is how strong your lower back is. Alot of people fail on the squat because they have not worked their lower back properly and this prevents them from making progress. You have a very strong lower back and that has allowed you to do reps. There's plenty more where that came from too, so I look forward to hearing what your doing for reps later in the year
 
I agree with the no belt/wraps ect... Only time I would use them was at power lifting meets and I was raw as you could get at a few meets by only using wrist wraps. Belts will cause too much pressure build up and something will blow. I think its best to always go raw with nothing no matter what weight you have. It just strengthens everything else. up. I am 6' 1 1/2" and used to go very deep also when I used to squat. I see a lot of bouncy bouncy in that video but it’s still a ton of weight.
 
Carth said:
Need, for squats...is it really necessary to do ass to the grass? I mean..when I do squats, I do go way down. I would say " almost " ass to the grass. I sure as hell do not do any knee jerks. But then again...I do not go down as low as you do. So am I still getting the full benefits of the squat exercise?
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as long as u go below parallel
 
With a belt, the risk of hernia is much much higher if you use one, and it can lead to imbalances with core strength, but thats a personal decision. If one were to use one, I would keep it to a minimum. BUt personally I do think that not using one, keeping form bang on, and working on core strength is the way to go...but that is honestly just my opinion...and I can only base it on myself and what I've experienced
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That's something to think about, i've always been afraid of injuries.........but anyway great video!!!!

SQ-
 
Bro honestly you didnt look too far forward at all. Dont beat yourself up that was a siok lift. But I guess the fact that we look at ourselves as always needing improvement is why we are who we are an do what we do............................little philosophy for everyone there lol
 
thanks guys, when I watch it, it doesnt look like too bad of a lean, but it felt really bad when I was doing it.
Funny thing is, my legs werent even sore the next day
 
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you are the man.. i know this is a geigh question but could i do those full squats ass to floor on a smith machine
 
Damn, that makes me wanna go squat right now! Also it makes me want to try changing my form to see what happens. I have pretty good quads already but I don't go very low at all on squats. I go deep on leg press, hacks, and front squats, but reg. back squats I rarely go even parallel, I go just above. I also always use a belt for anything over 315. I'm short too, 5'5", but going low I always feel weak and unbalanced. My quads are about 25-26 at 180lbs so they're pretty good sized... but damn dude, I wonder how much better they'd be if I could get my form down as well as you? Guess I'll just have to try and find out. Thanks for the inspiration bro!! :)
 
Phaded said:
you are the man.. i know this is a geigh question but could i do those full squats ass to floor on a smith machine
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you can and with decent results, I think the results are better with free squats, but smith squats ass to the floor are solid too, especially if you have your feet in front of you, more stress on the quads

tux, trust me, you'll see a huge difference. Years ago I remember squatting 315 for reps and thinking I was all bad ass, but I dont think I was even doing parallel. I got sick of the guys at the gym hassling me(one squats 900 in competition now...), so I dropped down to 225lbs. It took me quite a while to get back to 315 again for reps, but when I did, my quads were two inches bigger....same weight though, but ass to the floor. With your height too, you are less likely to need a belt than a tall dude too
 
Thanks bro, I'll give it a try this week and see. It'll probably give my low-back a break too since I'll have to drop the weight to about 225 like you did to get that full range. If I come back at the end of summer with 27 inch quads I'll become your faithful disciple for the rest of my days! At least till you get crucified or something, then I'll deny you 3 times and use my newly massive quads to sprint away like a bat outta hell... I just don't like having nails through my body :)
 
bad ass squats period. i could see the forward lean but if ur backs strong not a problem . as a matter of fact when i used to powerlift id lean in a little at the bottom not great form i know but seems i could generate a little more power outta the hole that way . keep pounding em
 
Tux said:
Thanks bro, I'll give it a try this week and see. It'll probably give my low-back a break too since I'll have to drop the weight to about 225 like you did to get that full range. If I come back at the end of summer with 27 inch quads I'll become your faithful disciple for the rest of my days! At least till you get crucified or something, then I'll deny you 3 times and use my newly massive quads to sprint away like a bat outta hell... I just don't like having nails through my body :)
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sounds good, I've never had a disciple before....always wanted one though....if it doesnt work though, I'll deny ever giving advice :)
 
That's perfect! If it works, you get a faithful disciple. If it doesn't, I certainly won't backtrack any and you can disavow any knowledge of the penguin known as Tux :) Most likely I think it'll work though... too bad leg day isn't till friday!
 
Tux said:
That's perfect! If it works, you get a faithful disciple. If it doesn't, I certainly won't backtrack any and you can disavow any knowledge of the penguin known as Tux :) Most likely I think it'll work though... too bad leg day isn't till friday!
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it'll work....and you can impress everyone in your gym with your rock bottom squats and stump like legs....
my leg day is on friday as well, great way to start the weekend
 
Triple J said:
very impressive NS and some good advice, too
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thanks, I try.....
 
pussy squat man. your legs are shaking like a virgin on prom night
plus whats with the short shorts? stuck in the 80s?

hahah jk bro, decent squat, too bad im lazy cuz i;d crush you if i felt like it
 
Sir-Que said:
Being that only a handful of us on EF train legs and that a handful of those are reping 400-500lbs REGULARLY don't you think it's a bad idea to suggest NOT using wraps and staying away from a belt?

SQ-
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If you're using a belt and wraps on every set you're not allowing your joints to get stronger along with your quads. If you want to use gear for a 1-3 rep max set fine but otherwise I don't think it's needed either. I haven't worn knee wraps once since 1977 and I haven't owned a belt in about 8 years. I recently ordered one just so I'd have it but I plan to use it more for standing presses than leg/back work.
 
alltraps said:
pussy squat man. your legs are shaking like a virgin on prom night
plus whats with the short shorts? stuck in the 80s?

hahah jk bro, decent squat, too bad im lazy cuz i;d crush you if i felt like it
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you used to squat the same weights as me, so you would probably beat me to 5 plates by a week, like you did with every other bet(fucker).
ths shorts look short because my legs are just so long
 
Awesome dude I use to do 525 for 4 reps but I used Knee wraps and belt and ass sitting down on a chair(parallel) never ass to the floor thats good shit, but again I was 19 years old play football. Now I stick with 405 for 15 reps dont want to go heavier I'm 23 years old and want to keep at the range still growing but dont want to go that heavy anymore. My strength conditioning coach didnt allow us to use any belts before 405lbs after that we could and knee wraps were not only allow only for maxing or close to maxing say 3 to 4 range so if that helps for some of you bros!!. But awesome lift
 
I thought the non existent pause between reps was impressive.
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
Awesome dude I use to do 525 for 4 reps but I used Knee wraps and belt and ass sitting down on a chair(parallel) never ass to the floor thats good shit, but again I was 19 years old play football. Now I stick with 405 for 15 reps dont want to go heavier I'm 23 years old and want to keep at the range still growing but dont want to go that heavy anymore. My strength conditioning coach didnt allow us to use any belts before 405lbs after that we could and knee wraps were not only allow only for maxing or close to maxing say 3 to 4 range so if that helps for some of you bros!!. But awesome lift
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thats pretty impressive squatting too, especially for the age

dialtone, thanks, there was a pause between # 5 and 6, but I guess it wasnt that bad. I've been doing a lot of rest pause on my squats lately, but just didnt have it in me to do it to get to the usual 8 reps this time
 
Dial_tone said:
If you're using a belt and wraps on every set you're not allowing your joints to get stronger along with your quads. If you want to use gear for a 1-3 rep max set fine but otherwise I don't think it's needed either. I haven't worn knee wraps once since 1977 and I haven't owned a belt in about 8 years. I recently ordered one just so I'd have it but I plan to use it more for standing presses than leg/back work.
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I hear what you guys are saying, but it's just that i've ALWAYS used wraps/belts that I can't see past NOT using them. I have felt the pressure in my lower back though, so you could argue that point that it could be from the belt, but the wraps??

SQ-
 
Sir-Que said:
I hear what you guys are saying, but it's just that i've ALWAYS used wraps/belts that I can't see past NOT using them. I have felt the pressure in my lower back though, so you could argue that point that it could be from the belt, but the wraps??

SQ-
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are you asking if the pressure in your lower back could be from the wraps? If so, I just cant see how that could be the case. If you still squat ass to the floor, I dont think the belt is necessarily a bad thing at all, I just prefer not to use one. But the wraps are the devil
 
i like the belt and wraps but only in a competion or last heavy singles when training but
I've never used a belt for back support i use the the belt solely to push against with my abs and the wraps keep the patella in place under super heavy loads all BB who have powerlifted knows what im saying
 
Needsize...that's a fkn misnomer if I ever heard one.lol You're a fkn tank. That's the way to do any rep, smooth and continous movement. No stopping momentum. nice vid.
 
little update, squatted 5 plates(495lbs) for an easy 5 reps today, but its the end of my cycle so time to take it easy for a bit
 
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