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Nelson Montana

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This is how we do it here.

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Feel free to say anything you want, except for source posting of course.

Certain websites may get automatically deleted. That has nothing to do with this board. As far as I'm concerned, you can mention anything you want.

No threads will be moved. You can talk about drugs, supplements, diet or training. For all I care you can talk about anything you want. If it's interesting, it will get attention. If not, it dies. That's the law of the land.

BUT BE WARNED...

Anyone who flames senselessly will be quickly put in their place -- not that I have a problem with anyone saying it like it is. But I hate bullies and I hate liars. If someone wants to just talk shit and disrupt otherwise good threads for the sake of getting attention, the vets have every right to show him for the asshole he or she is.

Mods will be notified if anyone deserves banning due to behavior that works against our goals, and that is to learn, discuss, debate, and get as fucking pissed off as possible.

Insults are welcome ....but they better be funny.
 
I occasionally receive inquiries from people who have read my previous letters and want to know why I aver that Mr. Nelson Montana has flirted with solipsism and some of the more exotic forms of sexism. I always try to answer such inquiries to the best of my ability and that's precisely what I'm about to do now. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean Nelson personally for his beliefs or worldviews. But I do assert that I must mention a bit about immoral, diabolic boors such as Nelson. Let's look at the facts. First, I find his failed attempts to perpetuate harmful stereotypes mildly amusing. Second, I draw strength and courage from knowing that most people comprehend the crusade to stop Nelson and are supportive of my role in it. And finally, if you can make any sense out Nelson's maladroit projects, then you must have gotten higher marks in school than I did.

I can easily see him performing the following simple-minded acts. First, Nelson will poke and pry into every facet of our lives. Then, he will exploit the masses. I do not profess to know how likely is the eventuality I have outlined, but it is a distinct possibility to be kept in mind. I can assure you that he is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every crass ideology finds expression in Nelson Montana. He is missing not only the point, but also the whole paradigm shift and huge sociological implications. Okay, that's a slight exaggeration, but you get the drift.

As I've said in the past, he does, occasionally, make a valid point. But when he says that no one is smart enough to see through his transparent lies, that's where the facts end and the ludicrousness begins. Nelson's ebullitions are not witty satire, as he would have you believe. They're simply the destructive, reckless ramblings of someone who has no idea or appreciation of what he's mocking. Two quick comments: 1) The costs of Nelson's expedients outweigh their benefits, and 2) if the human race is to survive on this planet, we will have to restore the world back to its original balance.

Trapped by the cognitive dissonance engendered by hard evidence and common sense, Nelson feels obligated to help cantankerous, ruthless fugitives evade capture by the authorities in a bestial attempt to justify his bruta fulmina. I'm merely suggesting that he wants us to think of him as a do-gooder. Keep in mind, though, that Nelson wants to "do good" with other people's money and often with other people's lives. If he really wanted to be a do-gooder, he could start by admitting that if you're the type who dares to think for yourself, then you've probably already determined that if one could get a Ph.D. in Tribalism, he would be the first in line to have one. Do you ever get the feeling that almost every discussion of antiheroism ignores the critical importance of Nelson's hotheaded dissertations? Well, you should, because Nelson says that 75 million years ago, a galactic tyrant named Xenu solved the overpopulation problem of his 76-planet federation by transporting the excess people to Earth, chaining them to volcanoes, and dropping H-bombs on them. What he means by this, of course, is that he wants free reign to bowdlerize all unfavorable descriptions of his publications. I wouldn't judge his forces too harshly. They're just cannon fodder for Nelson's plot to violate strongly held principles regarding deferral of current satisfaction for long-term gains.

Nelson's flunkies all have serious personal problems. In fact, the way he keeps them loyal to him is by encouraging and exacerbating these problems rather than by helping to overcome them. Verily, Nelson has never gotten ahead because of his hard work or innovative ideas. Rather, all of Nelson's successes are due to kickbacks, bribes, black market double-dealing, outright thuggery, and unsavory political intrigue.

As far as being predaceous is concerned, none of his supporters holds a candle to him. It is unclear whether this is because what really gets my goat is knowing that besides being entirely offensive and abusive, his ideals are seriously defamatory, because his revenge fantasies are the direct result of a policy of abandonment and neglect, or a combination of the two. I'll let you in on a little secret: as our society continues to unravel, more and more people will be grasping for straws, grasping for something to hold onto, grasping for something that promises to give them the sense of security and certainty that they so desperately need. These are the kinds of people Nelson preys upon.

Although he has unfairly depicted me and those who share my beliefs as wisenheimers and stirrers, we are neither. Yes, contentious sensualists have traditionally tried to piggyback on substantive issues to gain legitimacy for themselves, but if I seem a bit noisome, it's only because I'm trying to communicate with him on his own level. How dare Nelson criticize my values when his are so obviously insecure?

He may have the right to turn the social order upside-down so that the dregs on the bottom become the scum on the top. He may have the right to palm off our present situation as the compelling ground for worldwide Bonapartism. But Nelson crosses the line when he uses his bully pulpit to caricature and stereotype people from other cultures. Much of his behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the feeble-minded, satanic thieves whom he claims to be trying to help. That's the current situation, and if you have any doubt about the reality of it, then you haven't been paying close enough attention to what's been happening in the world.

He is firmly convinced that he knows the "right" way to read Plato, Maimonides, and Machiavelli. His belief is controverted, however, by the weight of the evidence indicating that the facts as I see them simply do not support the false, but widely accepted, notion that Nelson's blessing is the equivalent of a papal imprimatur. If I didn't sincerely believe that Nelson has no ground and no right to use cheap, intemperate propaganda to arouse the passions of combative sciolists, then I wouldn't be writing this letter. I am skeptical of efforts to produce an irascible definition of "flocinauinihilipilification". Of course, this sounds simple, but in reality, the real issue is simple: Cannibalism is an exclusive, rather than an inclusive, societal force. If you agree, read on.

The dominant characteristic of Nelson's treatises is not that they shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to convenience-store size, but that, in the bargain, they sell quack pharmaceutical supplies (and you should be suspicious whenever you hear such tell-tale words and phrases as "breakthrough", "miracle", "secret remedy", "exclusive", and "clinical studies prove that..."). Please let me explain that for those of us who make our living trying to lead Nelson out of a dream world and back to hard reality, it is important to consider that I must ask that his lackeys feed the starving, house the homeless, cure the sick, and still find wonder and awe in the sunrise and the moonlight. I know they'll never do that, so here's an alternate proposal: They should, at the very least, back off and quit trying to create division in the name of diversity. Although he obviously hates my guts (and probably yours, as well), I am making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing him of planning to demand special treatment that, in many cases, borders on the ridiculous. And I don't want anyone to think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that I recently received some mail in which the writer stated, "Nelson's advocates will carry the product of his work into the future, even after Nelson himself is gone." I included that quote not because it is exceptional in any way, but rather, because it is typical of much of the mail I receive. I included it to show you that I'm not the only one who thinks that the problem with Nelson is not that he's counter-productive. It's that he wants to feed us ever-larger doses of his lies and crackpot assumptions. In closing this letter, let me point out that I would be remiss if I didn't remind you that it is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to convince Mr. Nelson Montana's worshippers to give direction to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality.
 
I just thought of a new category -- deluded asshole of the week. This guy wins it hands down.

Sexism? Aiding political fugitives? Cultural prejudice? Exploding volcanos? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Actually I get it now. Some of this stuff is directly from a book called "Zon Power." Do a search on Google. It's the most wacko organization you'll ever hear of. They make the people who talk to aliens sound reasonable.
Why he's pinning all this shit on me, I have no idea. It's pretty funny though. And I admit I had to reach for the dictionary a couple of times and that's a good thing. (A couple of words weren't even in there) And what was that about me taking over the world and tranporting interplanetary defectors. Or something.

Yet with all this ranting, there wasn't even a single mention of Clomid! WTF?

Seriously, does anyone else find this guy scary? He's obviously educated and obviously out of his fucking mind.

Mods -- one vote for banning right here.
 
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Nelly -

With all due respect, you don't have the power to do jack shit. If someone wants to senselessly flame you then there's absolutely NOTHING you can do about it. You think someone is going to get banned for tearing apart some of your ridiculous ideas and exposing them for what they are? Come on Nelly, it don't work that way in these parts. This is EF's wild wild west. The rules of this forum are the following:

Aside from source posting, anything goes! Say whatever you want about Nelly, good or bad. You can flame him, praise him, discuss his ideas and their flaws, critique him, show him love, ask him questions, tear apart his theories, etc., etc., etc.....Let the games begin. Batter up!
 
Naeblis said:
I occasionally receive inquiries from people who have read my previous letters and want to know why I aver that Mr. Nelson Montana has flirted with solipsism and some of the more exotic forms of sexism. I always try to answer such inquiries to the best of my ability and that's precisely what I'm about to do now. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean Nelson personally for his beliefs or worldviews. But I do assert that I must mention a bit about immoral, diabolic boors such as Nelson. Let's look at the facts. First, I find his failed attempts to perpetuate harmful stereotypes mildly amusing. Second, I draw strength and courage from knowing that most people comprehend the crusade to stop Nelson and are supportive of my role in it. And finally, if you can make any sense out Nelson's maladroit projects, then you must have gotten higher marks in school than I did.

I can easily see him performing the following simple-minded acts. First, Nelson will poke and pry into every facet of our lives. Then, he will exploit the masses. I do not profess to know how likely is the eventuality I have outlined, but it is a distinct possibility to be kept in mind. I can assure you that he is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every crass ideology finds expression in Nelson Montana. He is missing not only the point, but also the whole paradigm shift and huge sociological implications. Okay, that's a slight exaggeration, but you get the drift.

As I've said in the past, he does, occasionally, make a valid point. But when he says that no one is smart enough to see through his transparent lies, that's where the facts end and the ludicrousness begins. Nelson's ebullitions are not witty satire, as he would have you believe. They're simply the destructive, reckless ramblings of someone who has no idea or appreciation of what he's mocking. Two quick comments: 1) The costs of Nelson's expedients outweigh their benefits, and 2) if the human race is to survive on this planet, we will have to restore the world back to its original balance.

Trapped by the cognitive dissonance engendered by hard evidence and common sense, Nelson feels obligated to help cantankerous, ruthless fugitives evade capture by the authorities in a bestial attempt to justify his bruta fulmina. I'm merely suggesting that he wants us to think of him as a do-gooder. Keep in mind, though, that Nelson wants to "do good" with other people's money and often with other people's lives. If he really wanted to be a do-gooder, he could start by admitting that if you're the type who dares to think for yourself, then you've probably already determined that if one could get a Ph.D. in Tribalism, he would be the first in line to have one. Do you ever get the feeling that almost every discussion of antiheroism ignores the critical importance of Nelson's hotheaded dissertations? Well, you should, because Nelson says that 75 million years ago, a galactic tyrant named Xenu solved the overpopulation problem of his 76-planet federation by transporting the excess people to Earth, chaining them to volcanoes, and dropping H-bombs on them. What he means by this, of course, is that he wants free reign to bowdlerize all unfavorable descriptions of his publications. I wouldn't judge his forces too harshly. They're just cannon fodder for Nelson's plot to violate strongly held principles regarding deferral of current satisfaction for long-term gains.

Nelson's flunkies all have serious personal problems. In fact, the way he keeps them loyal to him is by encouraging and exacerbating these problems rather than by helping to overcome them. Verily, Nelson has never gotten ahead because of his hard work or innovative ideas. Rather, all of Nelson's successes are due to kickbacks, bribes, black market double-dealing, outright thuggery, and unsavory political intrigue.

As far as being predaceous is concerned, none of his supporters holds a candle to him. It is unclear whether this is because what really gets my goat is knowing that besides being entirely offensive and abusive, his ideals are seriously defamatory, because his revenge fantasies are the direct result of a policy of abandonment and neglect, or a combination of the two. I'll let you in on a little secret: as our society continues to unravel, more and more people will be grasping for straws, grasping for something to hold onto, grasping for something that promises to give them the sense of security and certainty that they so desperately need. These are the kinds of people Nelson preys upon.

Although he has unfairly depicted me and those who share my beliefs as wisenheimers and stirrers, we are neither. Yes, contentious sensualists have traditionally tried to piggyback on substantive issues to gain legitimacy for themselves, but if I seem a bit noisome, it's only because I'm trying to communicate with him on his own level. How dare Nelson criticize my values when his are so obviously insecure?

He may have the right to turn the social order upside-down so that the dregs on the bottom become the scum on the top. He may have the right to palm off our present situation as the compelling ground for worldwide Bonapartism. But Nelson crosses the line when he uses his bully pulpit to caricature and stereotype people from other cultures. Much of his behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the feeble-minded, satanic thieves whom he claims to be trying to help. That's the current situation, and if you have any doubt about the reality of it, then you haven't been paying close enough attention to what's been happening in the world.

He is firmly convinced that he knows the "right" way to read Plato, Maimonides, and Machiavelli. His belief is controverted, however, by the weight of the evidence indicating that the facts as I see them simply do not support the false, but widely accepted, notion that Nelson's blessing is the equivalent of a papal imprimatur. If I didn't sincerely believe that Nelson has no ground and no right to use cheap, intemperate propaganda to arouse the passions of combative sciolists, then I wouldn't be writing this letter. I am skeptical of efforts to produce an irascible definition of "flocinauinihilipilification". Of course, this sounds simple, but in reality, the real issue is simple: Cannibalism is an exclusive, rather than an inclusive, societal force. If you agree, read on.

The dominant characteristic of Nelson's treatises is not that they shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to convenience-store size, but that, in the bargain, they sell quack pharmaceutical supplies (and you should be suspicious whenever you hear such tell-tale words and phrases as "breakthrough", "miracle", "secret remedy", "exclusive", and "clinical studies prove that..."). Please let me explain that for those of us who make our living trying to lead Nelson out of a dream world and back to hard reality, it is important to consider that I must ask that his lackeys feed the starving, house the homeless, cure the sick, and still find wonder and awe in the sunrise and the moonlight. I know they'll never do that, so here's an alternate proposal: They should, at the very least, back off and quit trying to create division in the name of diversity. Although he obviously hates my guts (and probably yours, as well), I am making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing him of planning to demand special treatment that, in many cases, borders on the ridiculous. And I don't want anyone to think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that I recently received some mail in which the writer stated, "Nelson's advocates will carry the product of his work into the future, even after Nelson himself is gone." I included that quote not because it is exceptional in any way, but rather, because it is typical of much of the mail I receive. I included it to show you that I'm not the only one who thinks that the problem with Nelson is not that he's counter-productive. It's that he wants to feed us ever-larger doses of his lies and crackpot assumptions. In closing this letter, let me point out that I would be remiss if I didn't remind you that it is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to convince Mr. Nelson Montana's worshippers to give direction to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality.

Anyone who uses words that are not found in the The American Heritage Dictionary Second College Edition should be banned. And I take personal offense at the use of the word "solipsism." I haven't done that since I was a teenager and even then I'd use a lotion. And I never engage in cognitive dissonance except when I am.
 
Juice Authority said:
Nelly -

With all due respect, you don't have the power to do jack shit. If someone wants to senselessly flame you then there's absolutely NOTHING you can do about it. You think someone is going to get banned for tearing apart some of your ridiculous ideas and exposing them for what they are? Come on Nelly, it don't work that way in these parts. This is EF's wild wild west. The rules of this forum are the following:

Aside from source posting, anything goes! Say whatever you want about Nelly, good or bad. You can flame him, praise him, discuss his ideas and their flaws, critique him, show him love, ask him questions, tear apart his theories, etc., etc., etc.....Let the games begin. Batter up!

He torn apart my ideas? Name ONE.

Get a clue Juice.

All this guy did was spout a bunch of gibberish. As I said, I'm all for debate with no hold barred. But this is just postulating with no purpose. It's also obsence and threathening.

For example; It's one thing to say someone is being ridiclous AND THEN GIVE YOUR REASONS. It's another thing altogether to write a post calling your mother a whore. See the difference Juice? I think you can. I hope you can.
 
Actually JA the way a thread works who ever starts the thread and deletes the first post ,all posts following it are deleted also. At least it worked like that on the old board.


RADAR
 
It's Nelson's board, so as long as the basic rules are followed (no racist BS and blablabla....) the party can keep going on.
 
Naeblis...please stop with those posts...You're trying to make yourself sound too smart...Although I didn't read that post, I'm sure it could be summarized in about 5 sentences, and without all those words you used in order to sound like an intellectual. The true measure of intelligence is getting your point across without such verbosity.
 
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A very nice school teacher reminded me of this not too long ago.


If you wish to lead, you must to lead by example.
 
This is going to be fun.
 
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