new pic -- Cycle update week 8 +30lb.s

[pittbull2]

Good job bro,keep training & eating & and sleeping and you will grow be patient.

 

[slipknotbeast]

I don't think he hurt himself by juicing, but if he had gotten that big naturally he would have started out with a bigger base therefore being able to add more size with the juice. Either way the choice has already been made so it is a mute point.

 

[mvmaxx]

i see definite improvement, and your obviously doing something right, so dont take the following in a negative way.

your anorexic first pic tells me that you were still way too 'young' in your bodybuilding career to hit the juice already. with time you could have seen those gains naturally.

anyway, your looking good bro.

I agree. It's my belief that because he didn't train longer naturally that he will really have to keep the diet in check and the calories up post cycle, if he doesn't want to shrivel to his former self.

Good luck bro. Definite improvement. I'd say your diet post cycle will be even more important than it is now.

 

[rickcorso]

I agree. It's my belief that because he didn't train longer naturally that he will really have to keep the diet in check and the calories up post cycle, if he doesn't want to shrivel to his former self.

Good luck bro. Definite improvement. I'd say your diet post cycle will be even more important than it is now.

well he would have needed the same strict diet to gain the same results naturally (and to maintain them). So either way, it would take the same amount of work...juice just got him there faster.

 

[Dr.M]

i dont see how he hurt himself by juicing. I mean he made same gains he could have made naturally in half the time.

I agree. As long as you know what your doing in the gym and in the kitchen, and with a NICE MILD CYCLE like you did, it looks good to me. Perhaps the real test will come between cycles, can you keep your size? Can you improve upon it? If you can do that then I don't see a reason to complain, keep up the eating and hard work!

 

[mvmaxx]

well he would have needed the same strict diet to gain the same results naturally (and to maintain them). So either way, it would take the same amount of work...juice just got him there faster.

I have to disagree with you there. If he trained naturally and dieted correctly it would have taken him much longer. The body adapts easier to increases in size over longer periods of time and is able to attain them much easier. He would not have to be as strict with the diet after training naturally than he will once he comes off this cycle.

 

[Hustler_dt]

too many peeps are juicing WAY before they ever reach their natural potential.

 

[Dr.M]

too many peeps are juicing WAY before they ever reach their natural potential.

Sorry dude but thats bull, it would take many many years to reach your potential, and I would venture to say that nobody reaches it. Did you look like Mike Ashley before you touched roids?

 

[rickcorso]

I think this natural potential stuff is bogus. Just start juicing when you KNOW youre ready. Simple as that.

 

[Dr.M]

I agree, I hate to be a weenie post whore but I seriously doubt very few people see a natural peak, guys with 15-17" arms that think thier maxed out is bullshit, unless your very short and scrawny. I carried 17.25" arms for years hardly ever working out and eating regular every day crap, and I am not some freak of nature, not by far.

The thing that worries me most about early juicers is poor diet and workout, sometimes people think they are doing ok in this area when they are not.