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new pic -- Cycle update week 8 +30lb.s

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SuKY_GeNeTiCs

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I posted my pic about 11 days ago during week 6. Well the sust was only in week 4 then and it has really kicked in now. After a great 3 days off(most so far during cycle) I had an awesome workout where I had to grab dumbells 10lb.s heavyer and got the same number of reps as with the lighter ones.

I like my results so far and have worked very hard. My first pic is skinny and anorexic looking so be warned!

skinny

week 6


Ben tanning more too:
week 8
 
whats with the water running down the center of your chest... lol

looking good bro, i see that your delts and traps seem to have filled out alot more! keep at it :)
 
i see definite improvement, and your obviously doing something right, so dont take the following in a negative way.

your anorexic first pic tells me that you were still way too 'young' in your bodybuilding career to hit the juice already. with time you could have seen those gains naturally.

anyway, your looking good bro.
 
Re: WHAT DOES YOUR CYCLE LOOK LIKE

bignig said:
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Deca 200mg/week (ran out at week 6)
Sust 250mg/week(started at week 3 at 500mg)
Winny 30mg/day(started week 6)

***First pic is not representative at all of the level I achieved naturally.
 
trial0r said:


your anorexic first pic tells me that you were still way too 'young' in your bodybuilding career to hit the juice already. with time you could have seen those gains naturally.
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With 6 months of training he could have seen those gains naturally.
 
You shouldn´t be doing any roids, you look like a track and field middle distance runner (before cycle). At least you kept dosages very low so there´s room for future cycles. But honestly, try to forget about roids until you put some mass onto your body naturally. No flame intended, but your pictures speak for themselves.
 
i agree with the rest that you could have done alot more naturally before you hit the juice. you have good definition though and that is a plus.
 
I think you have made great gains. Telling you you shouldnt have done roids really won't help at all.

Great Job!
 
still as big as a pencil.....j/k nah just keep working bro..now that you have a base try to go natural for atleast 6 months then hit the juice again but use cyp/prop instead of sust
 
Thx bros.


LOL distance running is how I got so skinny but I was much bigger natty before. Ecto body type that likes endurance more than strength. But I will change that.
 
personally i say you stay lean and just get ripped to shreds but it all depends on what yer trying to acheive..if you want strength and intimidation go for size if you want hella pussy get fuckin ripped
 
liquidmuscle said:
personally i say you stay lean and just get ripped to shreds but it all depends on what yer trying to acheive..if you want strength and intimidation go for size if you want hella pussy get fuckin ripped
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Man yer right liquid. And I plan to shred well after cycle then stay nat for quite a while. I have 3 more shots of sust(starting today) and 2 weeks of winny left. I hope to add just another small coat of muscle during this time before leaning up w/clen/eca during clomid.

I am nothing special I know but I have gotten so much more attention and looks/smiles from women since getting bigger.

Hey, if you had to guess, what would you say my b/f is. Keep in mind legs are very lean and stomach is bloated a bit.
 
juice4me said:
i agree with the rest that you could have done alot more naturally before you hit the juice. you have good definition though and that is a plus.
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i dont see how he hurt himself by juicing. I mean he made same gains he could have made naturally in half the time.
 
I don't think he hurt himself by juicing, but if he had gotten that big naturally he would have started out with a bigger base therefore being able to add more size with the juice. Either way the choice has already been made so it is a mute point.
 
trial0r said:
i see definite improvement, and your obviously doing something right, so dont take the following in a negative way.

your anorexic first pic tells me that you were still way too 'young' in your bodybuilding career to hit the juice already. with time you could have seen those gains naturally.

anyway, your looking good bro.
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I agree. It's my belief that because he didn't train longer naturally that he will really have to keep the diet in check and the calories up post cycle, if he doesn't want to shrivel to his former self.

Good luck bro. Definite improvement. I'd say your diet post cycle will be even more important than it is now.
 
mvmaxx said:


I agree. It's my belief that because he didn't train longer naturally that he will really have to keep the diet in check and the calories up post cycle, if he doesn't want to shrivel to his former self.

Good luck bro. Definite improvement. I'd say your diet post cycle will be even more important than it is now.
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well he would have needed the same strict diet to gain the same results naturally (and to maintain them). So either way, it would take the same amount of work...juice just got him there faster.
 
rickcorso said:


i dont see how he hurt himself by juicing. I mean he made same gains he could have made naturally in half the time.
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I agree. As long as you know what your doing in the gym and in the kitchen, and with a NICE MILD CYCLE like you did, it looks good to me. Perhaps the real test will come between cycles, can you keep your size? Can you improve upon it? If you can do that then I don't see a reason to complain, keep up the eating and hard work!
 
rickcorso said:


well he would have needed the same strict diet to gain the same results naturally (and to maintain them). So either way, it would take the same amount of work...juice just got him there faster.
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I have to disagree with you there. If he trained naturally and dieted correctly it would have taken him much longer. The body adapts easier to increases in size over longer periods of time and is able to attain them much easier. He would not have to be as strict with the diet after training naturally than he will once he comes off this cycle.
 
Hustler_dt said:
too many peeps are juicing WAY before they ever reach their natural potential.
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Sorry dude but thats bull, it would take many many years to reach your potential, and I would venture to say that nobody reaches it. Did you look like Mike Ashley before you touched roids?
 
I think this natural potential stuff is bogus. Just start juicing when you KNOW youre ready. Simple as that.
 
I agree, I hate to be a weenie post whore but I seriously doubt very few people see a natural peak, guys with 15-17" arms that think thier maxed out is bullshit, unless your very short and scrawny. I carried 17.25" arms for years hardly ever working out and eating regular every day crap, and I am not some freak of nature, not by far.

The thing that worries me most about early juicers is poor diet and workout, sometimes people think they are doing ok in this area when they are not.
 
Congrats man...good work.....keep us posted on how much you are able to keep. Maybe the next pic you could step back a bit - easier to compare to the first.

I also have poor genetics and I don't think you would have made that much improvement naturally in 6 mo. You made more improvement in 8 wks than I did in almost 2 years.
 
Dr.M said:


Sorry dude but thats bull, it would take many many years to reach your potential, and I would venture to say that nobody reaches it. Did you look like Mike Ashley before you touched roids?
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starting a steroid regimen before your body has even been semi-properly trained is unintelligent and unproductive. anyone who starts steroids before they have built up their endurance, muscle, and tendon strength is just trying to rush themselves into quick gains. this could very well end up in extremely temporary gains or severe injury.

IMO!
 
I can't look at his pics, because the bandwidth is used up for the day. But pics aside, even if the kid looks like crap (not saying you do bro. LOL), why be so negative? He had the balls to actually post pics, and take some heat. Hell, I wouldn't even post a pic on this section of elite. Some of the 'bro's' find ways to cut up even guys with great bodies (I think Bouncer and saf had some haters).

You've made an important decision to get into fitness, and turn your life around. That takes a lot man. You obviously did your research, and weren't the average "I'm 16, I want muscles now!". Your moderate, sane doses show this. You have a positive attitude, and I am sure you will reach your goals if you keep at it. Good luck, and keep improving. :D
 
Results look VERY good. I agree that not too many people have the balls to post pics.
 
rickcorso said:
I think this natural potential stuff is bogus. Just start juicing when you KNOW youre ready. Simple as that.
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agreed. i'm sure a very small % of people who choose to juice are totally maxed out or even close. the mainstream idea of gear is these drugs will get me where i want to be , alot sooner than goin' natural. and that is why 90% of the people on this board are using them ,or considering using them. "picture this" your bustin' your ass in the gym for 2-3 years ,and your alot farther than you were when you started. but you aren't seeing the gains like you once were. you are in a rut , you try everything to get the gains comin' again. but it just ain't happening. so you start looking at "STEROIDS". YOU READ ABOUT PEOPLE PUTTING ON 20-30 LBS OF MASS IN 8 WEEKS! so now you have got to give it a try. and there you have it, "a juicer is born". i'm not sure about the" not juicing until you have reached your genetic potentional " thing. dont get me wrong ,it sounds like it has some valor to it. but how many of us actually do it.:)
 
BTW, SuKY_GeNeTiCs, is the entire 30lbs muscle or does that include water/bloating as well? Also, what was your diet like during the cycle?
 
Hustler_dt said:


starting a steroid regimen before your body has even been semi-properly trained is unintelligent and unproductive. anyone who starts steroids before they have built up their endurance, muscle, and tendon strength is just trying to rush themselves into quick gains. this could very well end up in extremely temporary gains or severe injury.

IMO!
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I do not disagree that someone should have SOME experience and that it would be optimal to have a base as well as experience, but I think the most important factor is the wisdom. As far as gaining strength quickly yes that can be a problem, more for some than others, due to the tendon etc issue I don't plan on touching Winny. I have also experienced problems gaining strength quickly, bothers something in my left arm elbow joint, so I do reps slowly, and grow faster with slow reps anyway, thats an easy way to drop the weights down.

For people who say you should reach your genetic potential FIRST though, thats a bunch of bull, and frankly I doubt many people who say that are anywhere near it natural OR otherwise, I all too often find guys smaller than me on thier 4th cycle, and I am NOT that big, yet.
 
P-CURLS said:
not juicing until you have reached your genetic potentional
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Frankly its a bunch of BS, 16" arms etc and people think they are maxed out, they swear thier diet and training is good, then they post that they eat coco puffs for breakfast with OJ, subway sandwhich for lunch, rice and beans for dinner, give me a damn break. It takes so long to reach genetic potential that I seriously doubt anyone reaches it, certainly someone like Ronnie is way up there on the freaking ladder, but how many guys start when they are up to 260 pounds, not that damn many, hardly anyone is even up there after serveral cycles. I still am supprised and dissapointed when I'm on a board, someone has done 4 cycles, they post pix and they are smaller than me looking like they've been working out seriously for 6 months. I think diet is the biggest sin that people lack in, not just in knowlege but simple ability to follow a good diet if they know they should be eating better.

There is alot of wisdom to starting with a good base, because that proves to yourself you want to do it, you know what your doing with diet/training, and I think those are the most important 3 issues to cover. I say again, look at how many people say "dont start until your maxed out", and then ask when they started, and I bet you will be dissapointed 99% of the time. I am not Ronnie nor do I pretend to be, but I have been around off and on for 15 years, and there are all to many people who just refuse to look into thier diet further and refuse to work hard on a regular basis.
 
rickcorso said:
BTW, SuKY_GeNeTiCs, is the entire 30lbs muscle or does that include water/bloating as well? Also, what was your diet like during the cycle?
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I don't seem to be too bloated. I weighed in yesterday and today at 198-201 during the day. I have a little less than three weeks left of peak test levels then it will start to drop off. I hope to gain maybe 2 pounds per week. Maybe just maybe I can hold at over 200 when I come off but I fully expect to lose SOME weight.

My diet has been very strict and I give myself a B+. I love dairy and it doesn't seem to make me fat. I eat a solid 7 meals a day each 600-800 calories and have steadily increased it just a little throughout. Cardio once a week where I run in a 5k or play soccer.
 
i said it and i will say it again there is no frickin way you are 200lbs NO FRICKIN WAY! maybe 175 but no way 200
 
So then what your saying is that if you know everything you need to know, diet, training and all the do's and dont's about AS then it should be fine then right? The dude obviously knew what he was doing. It seems you all are worried about how much he has to eat afterwards....well if he knew everything about his roids, his diet and training now, why would he not know what to do post cycle for his diet?? Ectos dont want to work out for 6 months to put on 7 pounds when they can just do their reaserch and do a small cycle of AS. Why not? Why wait for the so called "NATURAL POTENTIAL" so you can start a cycle? You're going to do it anyway! Oh and he looks way better now too! good work bro.:D
 
Didn't read the thread but you shouldn't be using steroids.

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up 30 pounds?and you weigh 201 pounds?

i have to question both of those statements. this is not a flame in anyway, but i'm 201 and i don't think you look like i do. good job with the gains but it looks like maybe your up 20, maybe. i question people who say their up 20 pounds or more. that is a huge shift in dietary needs, skin elasticity, and tendon/ligament tension for a body to accept in a 10 or 12 week period.
 
Straight up, if the guy doesn't have the self discipline to get himself in shape naturally, then how in the hell is he going to have the discipline to use AAS. He obviously hasnt been training long enough to know what his maintenance calories are and adjust his diet accordingly to maximize his gains.. my guess is he doesn't even know his current macros. I think he is RETARDED for using roids and people like him are the ones who make newbies turn to gear because it looks so "easy". It does make me feel good though that he had to jam himself with a needle just to achieve 1/45th of what I have acheived naturally. Have fun losing 20 lbs post cycle... o yah dont forget your clambuter0l for cutting and your analfairies to get your hpta back up.
 
ZKaudio said:
Straight up, if the guy doesn't have the self discipline to get himself in shape naturally, then how in the hell is he going to have the discipline to use AAS. He obviously hasnt been training long enough to know what his maintenance calories are and adjust his diet accordingly to maximize his gains.. my guess is he doesn't even know his current macros. I think he is RETARDED for using roids and people like him are the ones who make newbies turn to gear because it looks so "easy". It does make me feel good though that he had to jam himself with a needle just to achieve 1/45th of what I have acheived naturally. Have fun losing 20 lbs post cycle... o yah dont forget your clambuter0l for cutting and your analfairies to get your hpta back up.
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Personally, I don't give a damn what you think. Lets face it - If I had posted my exact same post minus the pics, no one would be flaming me. But because I had the balls to do it, I am taking some serious heat.

AND FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO CAN'T READ, PROBABLY 70% OF WHAT I GAINED DURING THIS CYCLE WAS MUSCLE I HAD GAINED IN THE PAST. I AM NOT NEW TO TRAINING BUT I HADN"T TRAINED HARD IN THE LAST 6 MONTHS BEFORE MY CYCLE AND HAD ATROPHY'D QUITE A BIT. HAVING BULKED UP TWICE IN THE PAST, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO GET AS BIG AS I AM NOW(NOT VERY BIG) WHILE BEING AS LEAN AS I AM WITHOUT AS!

Liquid, why are you doubting me being 198-200? Do I really sound like I am making this up? My legs are very good 25" quads and 16 1/3 calves and my thickness obviously doesn't show in the pics. I am 5'10" and happy with myself and think I look great now but still have a long time to go.

Hey Zcaudio lets see your pics and see how many flames you get you asshole! I'll bet you won some points with all the old/wise guys here and I only wish I had 1/10th the muscle you have. How the fuck do you know my diet habits/discipline anyway.
 
Nice gains so far. I had started on a cycle similar to yours.

but one thing, your first pic you werent pumped. The rest of them you are. Why not post a pic of you standing relaxed or something, but a full body view. Might stop people bitching. Dont blame any1 that flamed you. You pictures werent that detailed or precise and IMO you do not look 200lbs from the pictures i have seen in weeks 6 and 8 but like i said post a fullbody 'un pumped' pic and maybe that will shut us all up.

Anyway keep on eating, train right and you will know no limits....
 
good work bro, i see alot of improvement. keep doing what your doing. you got results! that is whats important. results keep everbody motivated. peace.
 
"Liquid, why are you doubting me being 198-200? Do I really sound like I am making this up? My legs are very good 25" quads and 16 1/3 calves and my thickness obviously doesn't show in the pics. I am 5'10" and happy with myself and think I look great now but still have a long time to go. "

you are right about having balls for posting your pic, karma for you....do the other members honestly think you weigh 201??? i admit you have done some work but...not that much you probably weigh 175 dont be ashamed of that its bigger than you were before
 
I dunno... I think that what YOU Think is what matters... if you say you are 2 bills, and others think a buck and 3/4... who really gives two shits? Half the guys flame, cuz they are jealous that they can't get there fat arses that lean, and others are prolly annoyed as they haven't gotten as good results...

What you think is what matters, and if YOU are happy with the results, then you win...

The one person that you'll have to be with for the rest of your life is yourself... so I think that your own personal happiness it was matters...

I am a natural ecto also... and I know that it licks to not gain as easy as others... but I don't agree that this gives the newbies the, 'roids make it easier' mentallity... and if it does, let them find out the hard way that it takes a LOT of food when you are smaller, and a lot of rest... it's bloody hard for an ecto to get his hunger up enough to pack away the cals...

Good luck bro... and get back at it... :)

S.
 
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