Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey guys whats up, 26 been B.S.'ing in the gym for about three years, started really working out about 6 months ago. Wanted to know about a cycle of either Anadrol and Nolvadex or Dianabol and Proviron. Tabs only right now of course, first time out and dont wanna mess with the injec right now, nut in do time. Also Ima try Clenbuterol. I am 6 feet about 210, pretty solid nice built, just trying to bulk up and tighten it up a bit. I got a gut, not that bad but that shit has got to go. Help Please.
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littleb
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lexball50 said:
wait till your ready to stick, some bros may disagree but i do not like oral only and proviron is one of my favorites, run it every test cycle, but not a very good ai when compared to adex or aromison [sp] wait till you ready to stick yourself, thats my advice take for what its worth..
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thegoodfoods
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Most, if not, all of the gains you will get from Dianabol and/or Anadrol will dissappear. That's why I will probably never use either (again).
Papa Lion
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injectables are less toxic to the system that's why it was rec'd ^^^ that you use injectables!! no offence but your options are a little whacky and I think you need to spend a little more time reading before you make any major decisions ie steroid use!! nolva is not something you run alongside cycle as an anti-e, proviron however can be but is weak and not really designed for this, but can be used to help reduce bloat on cycle and acts as a mild anti-e especially in comparison to a-dex or it's likes!! also have you researched pct at al?? I only ask because the options you listed were off a bit!!
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thegoodfoods
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If I HAD to choose an oral-only cycle, and if it were also my first cycle, I'd go with Anavar. Maybe Tbol... And even Oral Primo. Much better choices and much more safe.
Actually I've been reading up the last couple of weeks, Im trying now to find out something that sites me. Ive been on a few different site just kinda piecing shit together, its kinda hard when everything is in codes and no one is really talking but I think im starting to figure it ot a little bit. I have learned alot, thanks for the help so far. I think im leaning toward Anavar, Im do some more reading though, any suggestions on what to run it with? Also any body got any ideas on Clenbuterol either good or bad?
lexball50 said:
Clenbuterol's side effects are pretty nasty, particularly if you are not used to this kind of thing. It certainly does what it says it is going to do, but you will have to weigh up the sides with the effect. I stopped taking it because of the sides...hope that helps.
I haven't done it, but for a first cycle and seeing as though you don't want to inject, maybe a test cream along with your oral would be good to run.
The odds of getting significant lasting gains from an oral only cycle are very slim. That's why nearly everyone here will advise you not to do it. It's a waste of money and it's a waste of your first cycle potential.
Ask 10 people on this board which cycle was their best and 8 will say their first. A good first cycle can easily put on 10-20 quality lbs. (D-bol or anandrol can do that too but it will be gone a few weeks after your cycle is over.)
Since you mentioned that you have a gut you'd like to get rid of you could potentially take 50mg/day of winny or anavar for 6 weeks while you diet (and train of course).
The gear will minimize the amount of muscle you lose while you're dieting but only dieting (or increasing the calories you burn through more exercise) will get rid of your gut.
If I were in your shoes I'd diet first (without gear) to get my body fat down to 10% or lower, then plan a 10 week testosterone cycle to gain those coveted 10-20 lbs of lean muscle.
Ask 10 people on this board which cycle was their best and 8 will say their first. A good first cycle can easily put on 10-20 quality lbs. (D-bol or anandrol can do that too but it will be gone a few weeks after your cycle is over.)
Since you mentioned that you have a gut you'd like to get rid of you could potentially take 50mg/day of winny or anavar for 6 weeks while you diet (and train of course).
The gear will minimize the amount of muscle you lose while you're dieting but only dieting (or increasing the calories you burn through more exercise) will get rid of your gut.
If I were in your shoes I'd diet first (without gear) to get my body fat down to 10% or lower, then plan a 10 week testosterone cycle to gain those coveted 10-20 lbs of lean muscle.
Point taken. The more I read and read the more its looking like inject, not scared of needles at all, im just scared using needles on myself, lol. Guess I gotta give it a try or pick up a chick how a nurse. Is it any at home bodyfat testers? Also when you say test cycle are you speaking oral or inject? Do you think the winny or anavar is a good to get now while im dieting as a oral for the price or is it also a waste of money?
lexball50 said:
When I say testosterone cycle I mean injectible. Stay away from methyltest (oral testosterone) unless you're anxious to get a liver transplant.
Doing a cycle of winny or anavar now while you diet to lose the gut would not be a waste of money but it would waste your first cycle potential.
Lastly, here are some rule of thumb guidelines for estimating your body fat:
15% - stomach is flat and love handles are gone
10% - the outine of your abs begins to be visible
8% or lower - 6 pack abs
Between 8 and 20% is considered healthy for a male.
Hurricane55
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Listen to the advice you'll get on here about oral only cycles. I was one of the "dbol only" guys and then when I came on here for advice on if it was good or not I listened, changed the cycle accordingly, and walked away 20 pounds heavier, stronger, and faster
littleb
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lexball50 said:
hang around awhile, and not too flame bro, just giving a heads up, your last sentence probably just invited 20 scammers to email you.. this is a very big board with ALOT of good bros, but you also got your douchbags ie scammers.. just be careful hang around gain trust.. then when you feel you have somthing you can trust ask a mod [just dont ask in pm lol] good luck bro..
Lexball50 I would highly recommend you to order a hard copy of anabolics 2007. Its a few thousand pages but has everything you need to know about each drug,color pics of real and fake drugs, gives safe cycle examples(very low dosages but safe, and much more I found it easier to use then to search for everything through the internet. You can order at pretty much any bodybuilding site or amazon.
jochensa
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lexball50 said:
haha i am usually the guy who gets flamed here, but your cycle is kinda a lil crazy. the adrol and dbol are like the 2 most harsh on the system. and the end result is like letting the air out of a tire. you might want to rethink the clen and pro as they are kinda out of place here to.
as afar as using injecting it is probably the safest delivery systam out there. think of it as any other type of way drugs are introduced to the body. ie smoking (whatever), oral, snorting are all syringes in a way. only the pin will skip alot of the processes that can lead to stress on the body.
rfowler
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lexball50 said:
I am sure that I was fatter than you when I started my first real cycle 16 weeks ago. take a look at my thread "latest back pics". The bros on here gave me the same chat they are giving you now, except for a few that told me that I was too fat for roids. here is my prorposed first cycle for you bro
test e or cyp 500 wk 1-14
eq 400 wk 1- 14
anavar 50mg ed wk 1 -6
AI throughout
pct clomid, hcg
over
have letro on hand just in case of gyno...Just my 2 cetns bro. good luck and enjoy your first cycle.
rfowler
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rfowler said:
testosterone cyp - you would do this twice a week. One shot monday adn another thursday of one cc which should be 250mg/ml. ml = cc
equipoise - this is a great drug, it is slow and steady which is why most guys will tell you to run it a minimum of 12 weeks. I extended my run with it to 20 weeks because I did not start really feeling or seeing the vascularity and feeling the pumps until around week 10. One thing you will notice rather quickly with eq is the increased endurance, I noticed this real quick with my fighting. Some guys run this at 600-800mg per week. I prefer to run it at 400mg per week and extend the lenght of time that I am on. If the eq you get is 400mg/ml I would add a half cc of eq to your test cyp shot on mondays and thursdays.
you know about anavar so I dont need to talk about that drug.
An AI is there to keep estrogen low thus reducing your chances of growing mantits. Also helps with lipid control and can help with bp issues. From my experience your bp will elevate with eq it will normalize when off. I use a diuretic over the counter to help with this. examples would be arimadex, or aromasin
letro is a very strong drug that can reduce mantits and dry you out very quickly if you get bloated very easily. Its a great drug to always have on hand in case.
PCT - This is post cycle therapy. During this time your goal is to normalize and get your nuts to produce your own testosterone again. this cycle will shut you down so pct is a must, should you fail to head this advice you could seriously hurt yourself longterm, plus you will lose all of your gains. during pct I prefer to use HCG which is a drug you shoot with a slin pin this drug helps to plump your nuts back up and running and can help increase their size because mroe than likely they will shrink some. Some guys will tell you to hit some hcg at the mid point of your cycle ed for a week at 500mcg. Either way have it ready do not start until you have this. After a week of hcg post cycle I would introduce clomid at 50mg ed the first week, 100mg the second and third week, and 50 mg the fourth week.
Also during pct you may want to get some supplements to keep you training hard, keep your protein intake going, get a nice creatine, and glutamine etc.
after all of this you should be done. There are many guys on here who are ordering the supplement dermacrine to help during pct so it may not be a bad idea to invest in that as well. The best advice I can give you is to have EVERYTHING in your presence before you start. Trouble is never a problem for people who are prepared for it.....write that down. Have fun bro.
I dont do steroids I am basing this off of what a friend told me.
needtogetaas
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all orals lol
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