new guy on the block

[rh0iue]

hey there. im new to this forum and just wanted to know your opinions

stats:
im 6 foot, 185lbs, bf% unknown (just really low (my frineds say im really cut and when i wear the underarmour to the gym you can see the 6pack easily thru it) 22yrs, i eat about 4500cals a day, 250g or protein, 450complex carbs, 150simple carbs(all an estimate of an average day split between 6 meals).

side notes:
natural low test level, low aggression and libido

been working out for about 6years (last year really hustling)


thinking of starting my first AAS cycle. i have done some cycles of PHs got some ok gains.



goal: 195-200lbs cut

I just want to get a bit bigger, but not bulky/bloated. I want to stay cut. I have looked into deca,primo, and eq and came to the conclusion of stacking eq with test cyp.

My question:

For how long should I be stacking the two, and at what dosage? and is nolva the proper pct for this stack?


thank you

 

[KeepinMyGains]

First cycle Testosterone 400-500MG for 10-12 weeks

PCt Nolvadex 20MG every day for 4 weeks.

 

[wolfman87]

instead of eq why don't you do winny or mast or something?

 

[rh0iue]

First cycle Testosterone 400-500MG for 10-12 weeks

PCt Nolvadex 20MG every day for 4 weeks.

Its not my first cycle with hormonal products I have used:

19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol
17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

so i believe my body can handle a stack of AAS?

instead of eq why don't you do winny or mast or something?

I was looking at eq,deca,and primo because they put on more mass then winny and similar products. I am pretty cut now, I do not want to be more cut, I think theres a limit to how cut someone should be. and im at the good amount, dont want to be any more cut. I just want to be bigger as stated in my first post, but not bloated, so we could scratch away dbol and adrol.

primo is more generated towards the cutting cycle then bulking, plus its a newer AAS, I believe, making it "hurt the wallet"

deca has too many side effects IMO

leaving me with eq, which i heard is great for vasculinity which i LOVE

 

[rnch]

welcome to the best fitness wesite around, rh!

read and learn.

i'm constantly amazed what i learn here, and not just about weight lifting.

 

[WinnyPumps]

Its not my first cycle with hormonal products I have used:

19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol
17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

so i believe my body can handle a stack of AAS?





I was looking at eq,deca,and primo because they put on more mass then winny and similar products. I am pretty cut now, I do not want to be more cut, I think theres a limit to how cut someone should be. and im at the good amount, dont want to be any more cut. I just want to be bigger as stated in my first post, but not bloated, so we could scratch away dbol and adrol.

primo is more generated towards the cutting cycle then bulking, plus its a newer AAS, I believe, making it "hurt the wallet"

deca has too many side effects IMO

leaving me with eq, which i heard is great for vasculinity which i LOVE

As already mentioned a Test cycle around 400-500mg a week is great for a first cycle! Those pro hormones you mentioned won't have shit on the gains you see with a 10 week cycle of Test! Just keep your calories high and clean with alot of protein and you should gain 10-15 pounds easy plus you will get so much stronger! Arimidex should be taken with that too if you don't want bloat.

I just finished a Test with Anavar cycle and gained 15 solid pounds and I look even leaner than before, no shit. I lifted heavy and intense plus ate clean the whole time but cheated a little on the weekends. I would save the EQ for another cycle later on.

So go with Test only, you will love it! If you must stack I would recommend Anavar. It would be a good kickstart for you. It gives you strength pretty quickly and vascularity is great!

 

[SouthernLord]

As already mentioned a Test cycle around 400-500mg a week is great for a first cycle! Those pro hormones you mentioned won't have shit on the gains you see with a 10 week cycle of Test! Just keep your calories high and clean with alot of protein and you should gain 10-15 pounds easy plus you will get so much stronger! Arimidex should be taken with that too if you don't want bloat.

I just finished a Test with Anavar cycle and gained 15 solid pounds and I look even leaner than before, no shit. I lifted heavy and intense plus ate clean the whole time but cheated a little on the weekends. I would save the EQ for another cycle later on.

So go with Test only, you will love it! If you must stack I would recommend Anavar. It would be a good kickstart for you. It gives you strength pretty quickly and vascularity is great!

This sounds perfect for you.

The problem with running EQ is most guys will tell you to run it 16+ weeks. That's a long time to be on imo. Especially for a first cycle.

Get your feet wet with a 10-12 weeks cycle of test e or test c. Maybe kick start the cycle with Var or even a SD clone.

Or Test only plus Aromasin or adex for bloat.

 

[ConanX]

You will love Test. I was basically around your stats when I started. 6', 183lbs, 10% or less bf. Jumped on Testosterone 250mg e/w and Deca 200mg e/w for 9 weeks total and after PCT I came out at 206lbs 13%bf. 2cc's of Test should easily get you into the 200lb club. Testosterone itself will give you veins that you never seen before. You will look vascular. Eq just makes you freaky vascular 24/7 (which I am loving!) but yeah, save Eq for another time my friend.

 

[WinnyPumps]

You will love Test. I was basically around your stats when I started. 6', 183lbs, 10% or less bf. Jumped on Testosterone 250mg e/w and Deca 200mg e/w for 9 weeks total and after PCT I came out at 206lbs 13%bf. 2cc's of Test should easily get you into the 200lb club. Testosterone itself will give you veins that you never seen before. You will look vascular. Eq just makes you freaky vascular 24/7 (which I am loving!) but yeah, save Eq for another time my friend.

Do you really get that much more vascular on EQ? Or do you need to have real low bf anyways? I am kinda intrigued about trying this, lol.

 

[rh0iue]

so much stronger! Arimidex should be taken with that too if you don't want bloat.

from my knowledge. arimidex is an AI. from reading in different forums, arent ALL AIs SERMs,etc. suppose to be saved for pct (after the cycle)?

Or Test only plus Aromasin or adex for bloat.

adex is also for pct, am i right?

but I do see the need for aromasin (incase gyno comes)




Also considering with test you will get water retention, which is exactly what i do NOT want lol. I would need a cutting "device".

Im a little bit hesitant about taking orals. I have gone threw a bunch of PHs cycles which are all oral. I would love to give my liver a break (feel bad for the guy). However, people say that it is NOT as bad as other orals on your liver?

 

[SouthernLord]

from my knowledge. arimidex is an AI. from reading in different forums, arent ALL AIs SERMs,etc. suppose to be saved for pct (after the cycle)?





adex is also for pct, am i right?

but I do see the need for aromasin (incase gyno comes)




Also considering with test you will get water retention, which is exactly what i do NOT want lol. I would need a cutting "device".

Im a little bit hesitant about taking orals. I have gone threw a bunch of PHs cycles which are all oral. I would love to give my liver a break (feel bad for the guy). However, people say that it is NOT as bad as other orals on your liver?

The aromasin and adex will keep the water off of you if used during the cycle.

 

[ConanX]

Do you really get that much more vascular on EQ? Or do you need to have real low bf anyways? I am kinda intrigued about trying this, lol.

You start to get freaky veins that you never seen before. Like, across my chest I got some sick veins and my forearms have lots of little ones. But the main thing is that the bigger veins bulge out. The only problem with it is that it gives you a real juicehead look. Whenever I do bicep curls, I get the whole gym staring at my arms because of the pipelines running through my bis and forearms. And even when not pumped, you got veins. It's pretty cool. The pumps are nice too. I like it, especially since it's low in sides. Worth a try bro!

 

[rh0iue]

You start to get freaky veins that you never seen before. Like, across my chest I got some sick veins and my forearms have lots of little ones. But the main thing is that the bigger veins bulge out. The only problem with it is that it gives you a real juicehead look. Whenever I do bicep curls, I get the whole gym staring at my arms because of the pipelines running through my bis and forearms. And even when not pumped, you got veins. It's pretty cool. The pumps are nice too. I like it, especially since it's low in sides. Worth a try bro!

damn thats crazy. This is also the reason i wanted to get on eq. When i go to the doc to get my blood work done, there digging around in my arm for a good 5/10 mins trying to get a vein. So as you can tell from that i have TINY veins :'( however i just came off a cycle of dymethazine, which IMO increased the vein size and they were "popping" outt of me while doing front raise and standing curls. I would get them in my forearms, biceps shoulders, and sometimes on my chest which all gave me a huge pump.




so how does var compare to eq, in this sense for veins "popping" out?


edit: thats not suppose to be a yawn face lol

 

[Castro_bigdog]

this is just me but being that your under the age of 25 I feel you should not mess with AAS, your natty Test levals dont start to decline til after the age of 25 to 30... Now that being all said it seems to me that you have been doing some reading up on the subject, I feel that Test along with Winny is always a great stack... 10 to 12 weeks of Test and ending it of with the last 6 weeks of winny to really give you that harder look.... just my 2 sense

 

[rh0iue]

I feel that Test along with Winny is always a great stack

thank you for your opinion. but as I stated before:

Im a little bit hesitant about taking orals. I have gone threw a bunch of PHs cycles which are all oral. I would love to give my liver a break (feel bad for the guy). However, people say that it is NOT as bad as other orals on your liver?

^^^^refering to var to be not as dangerous as other orals.