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New 1st time cycle, altered + improved

tryharder1

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I was recommended this by someone on the board, and I think it looks great. Anyone have any alterations or suggestions? I got rid of the Proviron, the side effects don't seem worth it when its function is easily replaced.

weeks 1-12: 250mg test e4d
weeks 1-17: AIFM 2-3 pumps per day (adjust as needed)
week 12-14: 500iu HCG e3d
week 15-17: clomid @ 50mg ed

Any suggestions, or am I good to go?
 
tryharder1 said:
I was recommended this by someone on the board, and I think it looks great. Anyone have any alterations or suggestions? I got rid of the Proviron, the side effects don't seem worth it when its function is easily replaced.

weeks 1-12: 250mg test e4d
weeks 1-17: AIFM 2-3 pumps per day (adjust as needed)
week 12-14: 500iu HCG e3d
week 15-17: clomid @ 50mg ed

Any suggestions, or am I good to go?


1. I assume that test is either enth or cyp. If so, 250mg e 3-1/2 days

2. Keep AIFM at 2 pumps ed UNLESS sides appear.

3. I wait one week after test to start HCG. You will still be feeling the test for up to three weeks.

Great first cycle, go get 'em.
 
Conservative isn't a bad thing. I know many people who got good results from 250mg Test E per week for their first cycle. They gained quite a bit of muscle and managed to keep a lot of it. K to you for starting low and working up bro. The "thing to do" on here seems to be take as much Test as possible as of late.

What type of test is that by the way? You won't have to take it e4d if its a long ester like Enanthate or Cypionate. If its Sustanon, e4d might be better due to the shorter esters contained in it.
 
Obviously, I may have missed the point. You probably want more than 250/week which is why your shooting e4d.
 
big_aug said:
Conservative isn't a bad thing. I know many people who got good results from 250mg Test E per week for their first cycle. They gained quite a bit of muscle and managed to keep a lot of it. K to you for starting low and working up bro. The "thing to do" on here seems to be take as much Test as possible as of late.

What type of test is that by the way? You won't have to take it e4d if its a long ester like Enanthate or Cypionate. If its Sustanon, e4d might be better due to the shorter esters contained in it.
good post
 
i went 300 my first..and it felt very conservative. However as you all know everyones body is different. would it be wrong with going 250 the first 2 weeks, 500 the middle 3, and 250 to finish out?
 
Thanks a lot for the input, guys. Just turned 22 years old. The test is test-enanthate.

I've been reading around, and it seems AIFM gets knocked a lot of places besides this board. Any reason for that? Should I be worried, and go a-dex?

Also, with clomid - I'm hearing horror stories about the mood swings. Any issues if I swap it out for nolva?
 
The mood swings with Clomid typically comes at higher doses. If you decide to use it, limit the dose to 50mg/day and take it before you go to sleep. That always helps me.
 
If you finally decide to do you 1st cycle. Go all out. stack it with EQ. 600EQ/500Test You wont regret it!!!!

A 600EQ/500Test is not considerd a hardcore cycle. It is moderate but you dont want to half ass your 1st cycle.

Run the EQ for 16 weeks, the test take it week by week after week 10. If you think you like your size just lower the test to 250 till the cycle is done. Honestly you will probably end up running it at 500 for the full 16 weeks.
 
What are your goals that you hope to accomplish with this cycle?

That will determine dosages to use.

BMJ
 
It's a bulking cycle, for sure. I'd like to gain LBM - I don't even really care about cutting body fat, although from what I understand, it tends to just happen. Hoping for 15-20 lbs of muscle gain and as much retention of that mass as possible. Intensity in the gym, nutrition, supplements will all be in order.

I think I'm going to wait about 6 months before I start the cycle, just to get rid of any lingering doubts about my age (just turned 22), and to see what my natural gains look like (although I know at this point. I can prob hope for about 2 lbs of muscle gain and some mild strength gain naturally, unless my bf% is around 18% and i'm bulking heavy - but then I have to cut...etc.)

I think if I can put on 20 lbs on cycle, I would be happy with that level of muscle, and would be ok staying natural and just maintaining it. I don't see myself as constantly upping the ante, to be honest. I like being bigger than 98% of people, but I don't have to be bigger than 99.99%.

Pura, I'm tempted to do a cycle like that, but I figure - there's time down the road for me to stack. I'd really like a more definitive answer on how much the receptors are damaged in the first cycle, because I'm hearing two very contradictory things:

1. You should wait until hitting genetic potential, or having built a large amount of muscle naturally (the latter of which applies to me) before doign it, because otherwise, your receptors aren't primed for the steroids, and the new muscle builds on these receptors
2. You should do a lot with your first cycle, because that's when they'll be most receptive.

Are both/neither of these true?

Now, finally, back to the cycle itself - if I swap out the AIMA for adex, should I be running it throughout the 12 weeks, or only if symptoms appear, or...?

Thanks for the input on the Clomid - I'll stick with it. And thanks again guys. I'm going to try to throw some karma your way.
 
Read up on EQ (equipoise) and test on the isteroids.com website.

Take as long as you want. Like I told you b4 at 22 you still have allot of potential to build quality muscle. Just dial in you diet and work out hard.

When I was in college 20-22 I out grew a buddy of mine during an 8 month span all natural. He did a test 500 test for 10 weeks and scaled me those weeks but then he crashed b/c he never did pct and I caught up pretty quickly.

But if you do decide to go aas, do a good cycle that will give you the results you want.
 
tryharder1 said:
I was recommended this by someone on the board, and I think it looks great. Anyone have any alterations or suggestions? I got rid of the Proviron, the side effects don't seem worth it when its function is easily replaced.

weeks 1-12: 250mg test e4d
weeks 1-17: AIFM 2-3 pumps per day (adjust as needed)
week 12-14: 500iu HCG e3d
week 15-17: clomid @ 50mg ed

Any suggestions, or am I good to go?

please when asking for cycle advise that you include your stats and your cycle experience. this is most helpful

thank you and good luck to you
 
I think it's bad advice to tell a newb to stack for their first cycle. Test belongs in every cycle and you won't know how you react to Test if you're stacking it with other drugs. Let's say you get acne - you won't know if it's from the test or from one of the other drugs you stacked test with. Keep it simple - 500mg of test/week for 10-12 weeks.

Smart move on waiting 6 months before deciding. get your training and diet in order. If you do, you'll probably surprise yourself with the amount of muscle you'll be putting on naturally.
 
BOOEY said:
I think it's bad advice to tell a newb to stack for their first cycle. Test belongs in every cycle and you won't know how you react to Test if you're stacking it with other drugs. Let's say you get acne - you won't know if it's from the test or from one of the other drugs you stacked test with. Keep it simple - 500mg of test/week for 10-12 weeks.

Smart move on waiting 6 months before deciding. get your training and diet in order. If you do, you'll probably surprise yourself with the amount of muscle you'll be putting on naturally.


Good advice.
 
Thanks a lot for all your help, guys. I'll be hanging around and keeping up with things. Hopefully, you'll hear from a 5'11, 195lb, 14% bf :p But probably not. But hey - most of the joy's in the struggle, not the mirror.

Take care guys. See you around.
 
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