Check out the pic in my sig and the link to the thread the dude made. Deiselbolan is some serous shit if you know how to feed it. Helladrol is a good time too 125mg every day spread out and add some Need2slin. If you fight MMA, compete in any weight dependent sports at all you will love helladrol.. Plenty of strength gains, no muscle pumps or bad sides, some size , more endurance more killing shit.