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[ZeOne]

Hi Guys,

First of all, please let me tell you that i am very happy to have found your forums, you all seem to be pretty friendly and knowledgeable.

I have been bodybuilding for 5 years now, "au natural". This last year, i have been training more seriously than ever. I made pretty good progress strength and shape wise, and still making gains, although marginal.

I am 30 years old, and i weigh 200 Lbs (5'10), roughly at 12%BF. I have my nutrition and my protein intake all under control. ( I take 2g/Lbs/Day worth of whey). I often get compliments about my body. Chicks dig me

This last year, i started noticing at the gym, younger and younger guys having freaking huge sizes. I mean, after training for 5 years, i seen it all, but it seems to me that people are starting juicing younger and younger. These guys get big so fast, it is unbelievable. It take them less than a year to get to a shape and strength it took me two years to obtain natural.

So i decided, now is the right time for me to join the S-club. After doing mucho research and consulting "gym" friends, i basically discovered that there is at least 2 school of thoughts. One which says take only as much juice as needed, the second one that said, since you are killing your system anyway, just go for high dosage.

Personally, to me, to go with lower dosage as a first cycle makes much more sense, since if one sees that the dose is not enough, that one can increment it. While if one take too big of a dose, it is already to late to lower the dose when the side effects appear.

Anyway, here is what i have decided to go with (14 weeks):

• 1 - 14 Week --> 400Mg Deca-Durabolin
• 1 - 2 Week --> 20Mg D-Bol
• 2 - 5 Week --> 30Mg D-Bol
• 5 - 14 Week --> 25Mg Winstrol
  
  **20 mg/day of Nolvadex upon any symptom with gyno

And for PCT

• 1 - 4 Week --> 40Mg Nolvadex

What really scares me to death is the dreaded gyno. I dont want to look like a muscular dude with female breasts! I asked if i could run 20mg/day of nolva during my cycle, and the reply was that if i wanted to do that, then basically it is of no use that i take the D-bol.

I already bought some D-Bol and the blue pills are staring right at my face. My first schedueld injection of the Deca-Durabolin is next Thursday. I feel excited and nervous at the same time.

Can i start taking the 20Mg of D-Bol right away, 3 days before my first Deca-D injection? or will that mess up something?

What do you guys think about that cycle? ( please do not forget that this is my first ever cycle, i only took creatine before ).

Thanks for your honest replies guys, and sorry for the long post.

 

[landser]

Where your test? No test, no cycle.

14 weeks is long for a 1st time. Why not try a more traditional/basic first cycle, that will result in better gains?

Weeks 1-10 500mg test
Weeks 1-10 400mg Deca
Weeks 6-10 50mg winstrol/day

 

[jack sparrow]

Lots of bro's believe stacking on a first cycle is a bad idea. Most would recommend one compound at a time to see how your body will react to it. Also, look into the sides of Deca before you make up your mind to use it as your only injectable.

 

[PBR]

you will definitly want some test in there bro...you will be very sad if you dont...IMO 2 compounds is a great way to go with the first cycle...make sure you have your shit together on your post cycle...you'll want to keep as much of these gains as possible as it is your first...landser has a good recommendation, IMO.

 

[jdevlin1985]

Lots of bro's believe stacking on a first cycle is a bad idea. Most would recommend one compound at a time to see how your body will react to it. Also, look into the sides of Deca before you make up your mind to use it as your only injectable.

I agree.

You should see some good gains from just as little as 250-500 of Test/wk

 

[sparetire]

my first cycle

400mgs a week of eq 1-12
50 mgs a day 1-6 of winny..

awesome..

 

[ZeOne]

Thanks for the replies...

Thank you all for the replies. I never knew that there was so many testosterone advocates. I also got the same replies from different sources and forums. Everybody is recommending i switch the Deca to Test.

The reason i decided to go with Deca in the first place was to tell you the truth, because two of guys at the gym ( including the gym owner, which is a national bbuilding pro and the other is a bbuilding coach ) said that the "Deca, D-bol" cycle is the classic all timer. They also said that gains on the Deca-Durabolin are slow but steady, and the muscle mass one puts on, can be kept given proper PCT, training and nutrition. I also have been told that the deca durabolin is very "safe" ( of course all relative ) and the side effects are minimal.

So from there i visited many web sites that seem to confirm their saying. Heck, even in "Anabolics 2005" one of the "Beginners cycle" is exactly that: D-Bol and Deca-Durabolin. Everything i researched hinted that a Deca-Durabolin cycle was it for me. Safe, Effective, lasting gains, and i if i add the d-bol, then i get faster results and strength until the deca "kicks in".

I guess i was too focused on researching the Deca and the D-bol that i did not give the test cycle any more attention, or at least the attention it deserves. What i did conclude though with the findings i made on test is that the side effects and risks are that much greater with it than without it, and that the gains withholdings post cycle are minimal, even with best of efforts.

Since it easily converts directly to Estrogen, the chance getting water retention, fat retention (bye bye muscle definition) and gyno is that much greater. I do not want to look like a fat balloon with huge tits. The dreaded impotence of Deca, at worst, i can live with for a few weeks, at worst, i can take some viagra or similar ( would that even work? ), but bitch tits for life, scary

I know that all of the side effects can appear even with the relatively safe "Deca-Durabolin", or they might not appear at all even with the test. But using the test, for me, elevates the chances i can get them.

Anyway, I did not order any of the stuff yet, the only thing i paid for is 25 D-Bols that i have in front of me as i am typing these lines.

Can anyone please explain in their own words, their reason for the test over Deca for example?

I know from my limited research on testosterone that the T. hormone comes under several forms some which are Cypionate, Enanthate, Propionate, Suspension.

What test would you guys recommend? and why?

Thanks all!

 

[organon250]

Deca d-bol is fine for a first cycle I would keep the dosage consistent from the onset either take 20mg's a day throughout the entire time your using d-bol or 30mg's. There is no need to pyramid your dosages. I would recommend 20ng's to start out with as I feel you should start out conservatively and only dose up as needed. I saw only nolvadex in your PCT why not clomid? you'll need something to get your own test levels back to normal and I would definetly get clomid and HCG for post cycle therapy. You can do a number of searches as how to best use these together there has been alot of threads on the subject. Good luck and yes i would stack some test in there as well if available but Deca-d-bol is an excellent cycle to start with and has worked well for years.

 

[Meat_head]

Re: Thanks for the replies...

Thank you all for the replies. I never knew that there was so many testosterone advocates. I also got the same replies from different sources and forums. Everybody is recommending i switch the Deca to Test.

The reason i decided to go with Deca in the first place was to tell you the truth, because two of guys at the gym ( including the gym owner, which is a national bbuilding pro and the other is a bbuilding coach ) said that the "Deca, D-bol" cycle is the classic all timer. They also said that gains on the Deca-Durabolin are slow but steady, and the muscle mass one puts on, can be kept given proper PCT, training and nutrition. I also have been told that the deca durabolin is very "safe" ( of course all relative ) and the side effects are minimal.

So from there i visited many web sites that seem to confirm their saying. Heck, even in "Anabolics 2005" one of the "Beginners cycle" is exactly that: D-Bol and Deca-Durabolin. Everything i researched hinted that a Deca-Durabolin cycle was it for me. Safe, Effective, lasting gains, and i if i add the d-bol, then i get faster results and strength until the deca "kicks in".

I guess i was too focused on researching the Deca and the D-bol that i did not give the test cycle any more attention, or at least the attention it deserves. What i did conclude though with the findings i made on test is that the side effects and risks are that much greater with it than without it, and that the gains withholdings post cycle are minimal, even with best of efforts.

Since it easily converts directly to Estrogen, the chance getting water retention, fat retention (bye bye muscle definition) and gyno is that much greater. I do not want to look like a fat balloon with huge tits. The dreaded impotence of Deca, at worst, i can live with for a few weeks, at worst, i can take some viagra or similar ( would that even work? ), but bitch tits for life, scary

I know that all of the side effects can appear even with the relatively safe "Deca-Durabolin", or they might not appear at all even with the test. But using the test, for me, elevates the chances i can get them.

Anyway, I did not order any of the stuff yet, the only thing i paid for is 15$ for 25 D-Bols that i have in front of me as i am typing these lines.

Can anyone please explain in their own words, their reason for the test over Deca for example?

I know from my limited research on testosterone that the T. hormone comes under several forms some which are Cypionate, Enanthate, Propionate, Suspension.

What test would you guys recommend? and why?

Thanks all!

Test Enanthate or Cyp @ 500mg a week. The long esters are better for a first cycle because of less frequent injections. Run that for 10-12 weeks and you won't be sorry. You'll gain like crazy and feel like a god, at least I did.

 

[jack sparrow]

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/esters.html

This link should provide some insight as to what esters are and how they work. Good luck.

 

[krishna]

Deca and Dbol should be fine. Not sure about 14 weeks for your first though. I'd maybe drop to 10 (1st 5 weeks Dbol, and last 5 winny). PCT means post cycle so make sure you're taking nolva after your cycle. That's probably what you meant but just making sure. Also, look into getting some dostinex just in case you get deca gyno. Run that during your cycle.

 

[a-bomb5083]

deca and dbol is ok. i'd also go with 10 weeks, and run the dbol the first 4-5 weeks at 20-30mg, whichever you prefer.

i would also get some clomid for pct. i don't think nolva is enough, i'd get some clomid to run for at least 3-4 weeks, 3 weeks after your last shot of deca.

 

[devilman13]

I'm running Deca/D-bol stack right now (20mg's dbol 1-5 week and 400mg deca 1-10 week) and if I can recommend get some clomid and HCG for Pct on top of nolva. and if u have access get some dostinex or arimidex in case of deca gyno. I don't have access to that so taking a chance with it been told a 400mg's week should be ok though. we'll see. good luck to u.

 

[sweed]

pct needs some help. look around the pct forum for a great "Sticky" by jenetic at the top of the page, read that a few times. with deca some hate it and some love it. with test, just about everyone likes it. im on my first cycle of 500 mgs test E /week. i kicked it off with some dbols as well. dbols are great for quick mass and strength gains but the lower back pumps are killer. I am loving my cycle. if u decide to go the deca route be sure to get dostinex for the progesterone based gyno. also no discussing prices on the forums please. btw... thats pretty expensive for dbols.
You want to get your first cycle right. and be sure to get all your AS and pct ancillaries before starting the cycle. good luck. btw, there is nothing wrong with younger guys starting cycles as long as they know what they are doing... like me

 

[RADAR]

Re: Thanks for the replies...

Thank you all for the replies. I never knew that there was so many testosterone advocates. I also got the same replies from different sources and forums. Everybody is recommending i switch the Deca to Test.

The reason i decided to go with Deca in the first place was to tell you the truth, because two of guys at the gym ( including the gym owner, which is a national bbuilding pro and the other is a bbuilding coach ) said that the "Deca, D-bol" cycle is the classic all timer. They also said that gains on the Deca-Durabolin are slow but steady, and the muscle mass one puts on, can be kept given proper PCT, training and nutrition. I also have been told that the deca durabolin is very "safe" ( of course all relative ) and the side effects are minimal.

So from there i visited many web sites that seem to confirm their saying. Heck, even in "Anabolics 2005" one of the "Beginners cycle" is exactly that: D-Bol and Deca-Durabolin. Everything i researched hinted that a Deca-Durabolin cycle was it for me. Safe, Effective, lasting gains, and i if i add the d-bol, then i get faster results and strength until the deca "kicks in".

I guess i was too focused on researching the Deca and the D-bol that i did not give the test cycle any more attention, or at least the attention it deserves. What i did conclude though with the findings i made on test is that the side effects and risks are that much greater with it than without it, and that the gains withholdings post cycle are minimal, even with best of efforts.

Since it easily converts directly to Estrogen, the chance getting water retention, fat retention (bye bye muscle definition) and gyno is that much greater. I do not want to look like a fat balloon with huge tits. The dreaded impotence of Deca, at worst, i can live with for a few weeks, at worst, i can take some viagra or similar ( would that even work? ), but bitch tits for life, scary

I know that all of the side effects can appear even with the relatively safe "Deca-Durabolin", or they might not appear at all even with the test. But using the test, for me, elevates the chances i can get them.

Anyway, I did not order any of the stuff yet, the only thing i paid for is $$$ for 25 D-Bols that i have in front of me as i am typing these lines.

Can anyone please explain in their own words, their reason for the test over Deca for example?

I know from my limited research on testosterone that the T. hormone comes under several forms some which are Cypionate, Enanthate, Propionate, Suspension.

What test would you guys recommend? and why?

Thanks all!

NO POSTING PRICES!

 

[Bruce]

my first cycle
deca 600 a week 13 weeks
winny 9-13 50mg ed
NO TEST. though next cycle will look the same with some iranian test in there. gotta try with it. you can do deca without test though i don't buy that shit. yea some guys get limp noodle but i know too many that do not

 

[ZeOne]

Thanks all for your replies. There is indeed much food for thought.

To tell you the truth the reason the winstrol was chosen is because it is known for it's muscle "hardening" abilities. I mean for the summer time, i am not looking to add that much bulk, maybe more lean muscle, "hard" body look.

In your individual experience guys, does the testosterone hold a lot of water? Do you loose definition? I dont want to be all puffy.

So much to think about....


About the nolva, I always beleived in prevention rather than repairing a problem. You do not know how much i want to take 20mg of nolva dialy, but everyone is discouraging me. But the weird part is that they all say, if symptoms appear take 20mg daily. Why do not everyone take the 20mg daily, you know, just in case?

P.S: Sorry for posting prices. I will rectify the problem ASAP.

 

[krishna]

Nolva isn't even designed for deca sides. It will help with the dbol, but for deca you need dostinex.

 

[silverbackn]

I would run 500mg's of test a week for 10 weeks, since you have the d-bol run it at 30mg's a day for 4 weeks at the beginning. You will grow very well off of this. My first cycle was 500mg's of test and 300mg's of deca. I blew the fuck up. You could also run that, you may want to stay at a lower total dosage though.