Nelson, your comment about Bill Roberts....

[RottenWillow]

In another thread I noticed you referred to him as being a "nobody" now. What's that about? Was there some debacle where he was proved to be a fraud or ignorant? Wasn't he working towards a doctorate in chemistry or some related field?

 

[Juice Authority]

In another thread I noticed you referred to him as being a "nobody" now. What's that about? Was there some debacle where he was proved to be a fraud or ignorant? Wasn't he working towards a doctorate in chemistry or some related field?

Yeah, Bill Roberts is a real moron... He's only the most prominent writer for AAS in the 21st century.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yeah, Bill Roberts is a real moron... He's only the most prominent writer for AAS in the 21st century.

Now that's funny.

 

[RottenWillow]

Now that's funny.

But what about my question? It wasnt rhetorical.

I'm wondering what you were referring to when you made that remark. I dont know you or have any opinion about you one way or the other but I'd like to know what you feel discredited him.

 

[Juice Authority]

Now that's funny.

Maybe you should read "MAG-10: A New Orally Effective Androgen" by Bill Roberts. It might enlighten you. Next thing you'll say is that William Llewellyn is incompetent. Try comparing the number of book sales of anabolics 2003, 2004 to "The Bodybuilding Truth".

 

[DrDillio]

Like I have said. I am trying desparately to learn about anabolics. Not really for taking. I dont know if I would ever be ready for that. But I am finding that Nelson does not answer the question with anything.

I would like to learn. Am I in the wrong place?

 

[Juice Authority]

Like I have said. I am trying desparately to learn about anabolics. Not really for taking. I dont know if I would ever be ready for that. But I am finding that Nelson does not answer the question with anything.

I would like to learn. Am I in the wrong place?

It will be challenging at best to get accurate unbiased feedback on this particular forum but the entertainment value alone more than compensates for the shortfall in credible information.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Juice; Are you serious? MAG-10? You're not serious, right?

And do book sales make someone more knowledgable? If that's the case I've sold more books than you -- so why are you arguing with me? : )

Where do I begin? Let's start with the fact that Bill Roberts called the people at Biotest "lying scumbags." Now, who does he work for again? Oh yeah! Those same lying scumbags! But now they're lying scumbags who are paying him enough to say they're great. Isn't that enough to tell you how credible he is?

Bill Roberst is just another intenet guru with no credentials, no degrees, and no published works. There's nothing original about his writings. He's probably known best for his "Two Week Cycle" program which is just a copy of my 3 week Steroids For Health program. He's also a dick -- selfish, self absorbed, egotistical,and arrogent. In other words, a big shot on the internet and nowhere else. I get the feeling he's one of these guys who was probably overpraised as a child. He can not fathom anyone disagreeing with him. He'll lie to make himself look better. As a matter of fact, he's a lot like Fonz, but not quite as bad.

What else? He claimed Androsol was as good as Sustanon. That crap was so shitty they took it off the market but not until they got thousands of complaints of the impotence it caused.

Yawn, this is boring. Bill Roberts is old news.

 

[Juice Authority]

Juice; Are you serious? MAG-10? You're not serious, right?

And do book sales make someone more knowledgable? If that's the case I've sold more books than you -- so why are you arguing with me? : )

Where do I begin? Let's start with the fact that Bill Roberts called the people at Biotest "lying scumbags." Now, who does he work for again? Oh yeah! Those same lying scumbags! But now they're lying scumbags who are paying him enough to say they're great. Isn't that enough to tell you how credible he is?

Bill Roberst is just another intenet guru with no credentials, no degrees, and no published works. There's nothing original about his writings. He's probably known best for his "Two Week Cycle" program which is just a copy of my 3 week Steroids For Health program. He's also a dick -- selfish, self absorbed, egotistical,and arrogent. In other words, a big shot on the internet and nowhere else. I get the feeling he's one of these guys who was probably overpraised as a child. He can not fathom anyone disagreeing with him. He'll lie to make himself look better. As a matter of fact, he's a lot like Fonz, but not quite as bad.

What else? He claimed Androsol was as good as Sustanon. That crap was so shitty they took it off the market but not until they got thousands of complaints of the impotence it caused.

Yawn, this is boring. Bill Roberts is old news.

Nelson, I'm just fucking with you! I haven't read anything that Bill Roberts wrote other than various excerpts off meso. His expertise - steroid pre-cursors and prohomones - holds very little interest with me.

 

[matto18]

damn. well put.

 

[Wrongun]

Think Nelson answered that question ok

Wrongun!

 

[silver_shadow]

i think anyone who claims some half assed supp is better than sus would be laughed off this board.

 

[Andy13]

I’m not sure how I stumbled onto this thread..

Let me first start by saying that I owe nothing to nobody and my opinion is unbiased to the purest degree. Let me also say that it takes a heck of a lot for me to be impressed, and seldomly am I.


With that, there has been no other author who has changed BBing more since the late Duchaine. Bill Roberts added a dimension of scientific reasoning to a sport dominated by locker room anecdotes. I see Roberts as a pioneer, inspiring many, including myself, to look towards science and technology rather than the biggest guy in the gym for the ‘tomorrow’ of BBing.

Now, I don’t give a shit about Biotest, Mag10, how-where-when- and IF someone “sold out.” Credit earned is credit deserved in my book. I have no experience with products associated with Roberts and I know little regarding their efficacy. Common sense tells us that that reality that these novel formulations would overturn the exhaustively researched and time-tested AAS “classics” is small. If MAG-10 or another product turns out to be less than useful, you still have to take your hat off to the man for his innovation. It’s a step in the right direction.

Stating that Bill Roberts is a “joke” or roping him into the category: “fraudulent gurus” is just plain irresponsible. We’re talking about a man who has forgotten more about AAS than most of you could ever dream of knowing.

If you read my posts you will see that I never involve myself in flame wars, though a few have had it coming. As a MOD at Elite, my motivation is to advance the sport by inspiring commentary that is both intelligent and critical. Hang around the boards long enough and you will see distinct varieties of member diverge from the newbie pool that all of us once belonged to. Once fundamentals have been acquired and an impressive post # amassed, the efflux of newbies affords yesterday’s beginners degree of seniority (unfamiliar status for some). For a good many, the sophomore status is terminal and their contributions would be reduced to nil if their cut-n-paste function were disabled. Only a few are determined to elevate themselves out of the sea of mediocrity so many are content in and bring forth new concepts and ideas. Message board frauds? Certainly not the one’s bringing the ideas to an otherwise repetitive and redundant circle of stale information. It’s unfortunate that these pretend gurus receive credit for posting someone else’s ideas on the ten boards they moderate. If you are going to call anyone a message board fraud, it should be these parrots, certainly not a man of Roberts’ stature.

Clearly, anyone who questions Roberts’ contributions to the sport is either unfamiliar with his work or simply envious of his level of expertise. If you read his work, you would be surprised at the number of to-be BBing laws he introduced. This very information has regurgitated so many times by people having no business, no wonder the true source is obscured.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I’m not sure how I stumbled onto this thread..

Let me first start by saying that I owe nothing to nobody and my opinion is unbiased to the purest degree. Let me also say that it takes a heck of a lot for me to be impressed, and seldomly am I.


With that, there has been no other author who has changed BBing more since the late Duchaine. Bill Roberts added a dimension of scientific reasoning to a sport dominated by locker room anecdotes. I see Roberts as a pioneer, inspiring many, including myself, to look towards science and technology rather than the biggest guy in the gym for the ‘tomorrow’ of BBing.

Now, I don’t give a shit about Biotest, Mag10, how-where-when- and IF someone “sold out.” Credit earned is credit deserved in my book. I have no experience with products associated with Roberts and I know little regarding their efficacy. Common sense tells us that that reality that these novel formulations would overturn the exhaustively researched and time-tested AAS “classics” is small. If MAG-10 or another product turns out to be less than useful, you still have to take your hat off to the man for his innovation. It’s a step in the right direction.

Stating that Bill Roberts is a “joke” or roping him into the category: “fraudulent gurus” is just plain irresponsible. We’re talking about a man who has forgotten more about AAS than most of you could ever dream of knowing.

If you read my posts you will see that I never involve myself in flame wars, though a few have had it coming. As a MOD at Elite, my motivation is to advance the sport by inspiring commentary that is both intelligent and critical. Hang around the boards long enough and you will see distinct varieties of member diverge from the newbie pool that all of us once belonged to. Once fundamentals have been acquired and an impressive post # amassed, the efflux of newbies affords yesterday’s beginners degree of seniority (unfamiliar status for some). For a good many, the sophomore status is terminal and their contributions would be reduced to nil if their cut-n-paste function were disabled. Only a few are determined to elevate themselves out of the sea of mediocrity so many are content in and bring forth new concepts and ideas. Message board frauds? Certainly not the one’s bringing the ideas to an otherwise repetitive and redundant circle of stale information. It’s unfortunate that these pretend gurus receive credit for posting someone else’s ideas on the ten boards they moderate. If you are going to call anyone a message board fraud, it should be these parrots, certainly not a man of Roberts’ stature.

Clearly, anyone who questions Roberts’ contributions to the sport is either unfamiliar with his work or simply envious of his level of expertise. If you read his work, you would be surprised at the number of to-be BBing laws he introduced. This very information has regurgitated so many times by people having no business, no wonder the true source is obscured.

This isn't entirely accurate.

First of all, there's no comparison between Roberts and someone like Fonz. (I've been saying that all along, but people are reluctant to let go of there heros.) Roberts is quite knowlegable. But knowledge is only one part of the equation. It's what you do with knowlege that matters. And he hasn't done much. Most of theories have been proven wrong. He's given quite a bit of bad advice. And he's used his status as a "guru" to scam thousands of people.

You see, knowing about the chemistry of steroids doesn't mean you know the best way to use them. But this is a dilemma today. People are enamored of science -- even if it's bad science. You dont ask the person who studied the molecular structure of antibiotics how to prescribe them, do you?

I've made this point about Pat Arnold as well. Sure, he certainly knows more chemistry than I. But what good is it, if it doesn't work well? It's like having the knowlege to ALMOST build an airplane that works. That makes him a lot more knowlegable than me or you, but if the friggin thing is going to crash, what good is it? Pat Arnolds experiments have hurt a lot of people, but he's too high on the fact that he was smart enough to make that androsteine crap to admit the damage he's done. A LITTLE bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.


I don't know if Bill Roberts stole my short cycle idea or not. It's very possible he came upon a similar theory on his own. (Even though my plan has been proven to work better). But don't think he hasn't "cut and pasted" information. Roberst got an enormous amount of information form MedLine. Granted, it's more reputable than Fonz stealing supplement promos, but still, it is not all that original.

All in all. Bill Roberts is someone who COULD have been admired for his contribution. The fact that he let his enormous ego get the best of him, the fact that he developed a Napolionic compllex, the fact has lied to bolster his credentials, the fact that he was willing to sell snake oil for profit, the fact that he knew Androsol had sever sides effects and ignored it, the fact that he had no interest in getting facts straight before perpetuating erroneous information about people he did not like, and the fact that he would go to work for the very people he called frauds and liars...well, that makes him pretty disreputable in my book. If you think these traits are "envious" you're way off base bro. But that's just my opinion. You're entitled to yours.

 

[ham2]

i agree with Montana but i'd extend it to all "internet" or else "gurus" with few exceptions.
The know how & biochemical blablah about pro hormones comes mostly from german & eastern block studies, with very few exceptions.
Do you remember in their beginning, PHs were touted as the "german" or east german olympic secret ( & marketing hype alike )?
I agree with Montana that if we had followed "gurus", we'd be suffering from sides of the early, worthless & risky diones & the like.
I remember i read so much stuff about how "scientifically proven" they were, and this & that "scientist" ( a mere columnist; someone with a nutrition degree; a Ph.D in marketing...? ) & their cross breeds granted it would turn me into Dorian overnight without worries.
Today we've too many columnists playing the scientist & any crap family doctor plays dr. Mengele.