Nelson Montana, please read....

[Dr. JK]

You posted a little while ago about winny alleviating Deca symptoms (libido, and other)

I agree with what you said having experienced it 1st hand, i.e. when I added winny to my deca only stack, my libido went up as well as the water retention went down.

Can you tell me what do you think is the reason why winny alleviates deca problems?

Does it have to do with it being a dht derivative or a anti-progesterone?

Does winny convert back to dht at all and through what course, i.e. 5-ar?

Thanks in advance for the feedback
DR. JK

 

[Nelson Montana]

Both.

Winny being a DHT derivitive imaprts all the benefits including increased lbido and the inability to aromatize. But winny also has anti prog properties but I honestly can't accurately explain the mechanism behind it. Maybe some of the more "sciency" guys can help.

I've always said Winny may be the most underrated steroid in existance. But it also isn't as harmless as once thought. Contrary to Dan Duchaines original assertions, it's actually very powerful, mg per mg, and also quite toxic to the liver, as well as being notorious for raising LDL.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Good info Nelson, I agree with you on this one. Stano has been docutmented to have an affinity for a number of receptors in the body, including progesterone receptors. In many of them it acts as an antagonist. This is probably the reason it seems to alleviate some of the progestin-like effects of nadrolone. I've noticed it works very well when combined with tren in reducing side effects, even at doses as low as 10 mg a day.

 

[Citruscide]

interesting.

C-ditty

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Stanozolol binds the progesterone receptor,but does not activate it,thus much of the progestin(which shares a very similar structure to progesterone)is in a sense blocked from binding to and activating it.Progesterone in mild amounts is actually not a terrible hormone and can actually be sexually STIMULATING as well as having some lipid disposing capabilities.But the double edged sword is that surplus/spillover has opposite effects in the extreme.It's a fine line to walk,and winstrol seems to help balance the equation out.

 

[Warpath]

Good info Nelson, I agree with you on this one. Stano has been docutmented to have an affinity for a number of receptors in the body, including progesterone receptors. In many of them it acts as an antagonist. This is probably the reason it seems to alleviate some of the progestin-like effects of nadrolone. I've noticed it works very well when combined with tren in reducing side effects, even at doses as low as 10 mg a day.

Does nolva help combat tren induced gyno?

 

[DeepZenPill]

Does nolva help combat tren induced gyno?

No.

 

[DrJMW]

Dostinex is the superior and safe way to alleviate DECA-induced sides. Ask anyone who has used it. Works for Deca, Tren/FINA.

 

[junk]

Dostinex is the superior and safe way to alleviate DECA-induced sides. Ask anyone who has used it. Works for Deca, Tren/FINA.

I agree. Dostinex is a better and much safer way to use along with Deca or Fina. I bought mine at buy-dostinex.com . I use 1 tab of Dostinex E3D now during dieting or when using Fina. a much better option by the way then bromo which gave me serious sides.

 

[Warpath]

I agree. Dostinex is a better and much safer way to use along with Deca or Fina. I bought mine at buy-dostinex.com . I use 1 tab of Dostinex E3D now during dieting or when using Fina. a much better option by the way then bromo which gave me serious sides.

What dose of bromo were you using? What sides did you experience? I appreciate the help.

 

[Warpath]

bump

 

[junk]

I used bromo at 1.25mg a day or 2.5mg (Don't remember..) The sides were extreme lethargy. No sides at all with Dostinex though

 

[nadr7891]

i've also taken cabergoline (Dostinex) and i have had no side effects at all.

it's also sold as Cabaser, a drug for Parkinson's, in larger doses for less money.

Nadr

 

[Dr. JK]

Nelson, thanks for the reply/feedback.
Much appreciated.

DR. JK

 

[riptorn]

From what I have read Winstrol lowers the SHBG in the blood therefore allowing more free testosterone,I think this is also the main action of PROVIRON:

 

[soreback]

So with your Deca cycle would you rather use Winnie or Proviron?

 

[Dr. JK]

So with your Deca cycle would you rather use Winnie or Proviron?

I would still use winny with Deca rather then Proviron because winny is anabolic and proviron is not.

What is the relationship between SHBG & libido?
Does winny convert back to dht?

 

[Nelson Montana]

A high SHBG will negitively effect libido.

Lower SHBG, and you'll notice a surge in your sex drive.

 

[soreback]

Thanks Dr JK

What if you didnt necessarily need the anabolic effect of winny
( as in powerlifters not wanting to gain weight) but were most interested in prevention of S/E of Deca and HPTA recovery and MPB..would you still do the Winny over Provi. or is it a toss up?.. thanks Doc

 

[Warpath]

Thanks to junk and nadr

 

[soreback]

bump for JK

 

[Dr. JK]

Thanks Dr JK

What if you didnt necessarily need the anabolic effect of winny
( as in powerlifters not wanting to gain weight) but were most interested in prevention of S/E of Deca and HPTA recovery and MPB..would you still do the Winny over Provi. or is it a toss up?.. thanks Doc

I would still use winny over Proviron with Deca. Winny will not make you gain a lot of weight, but it will help with libido & water bloat. Also, some who are predisposed to gyon might suffer from Deca progesterone effects and winny seems to prevent that being a anti-progest.

You can do a low dose of both, winny & proviron.
For example:
50mg winny eod
25-50mg proviron ed
+ your deca stack.

Good luck
That

 

[Dr. JK]

Winny & DHT

Nelson, does winny convert back to dht and through what mechanism, i.e. 5-ar?

I guess the same would apply to d-bol??

Thanks again