Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Would it be possible to more clearly define what everyone is referring to here in terms of "nutrient timing"? Would that be meal frequency, meal composition, or juxtaposition of meals with exercise or some combination of all of the above? I'm sorry if that was confusing but all these aspects are different and potantially important(or not).
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The synopsis of the study basically showed that GH alone produced little actual muscle gained. Not that it didn't improve overall BF/muscle ratio; it does due to its fat loss benefits. It's claim is that's it's a poor muscle builder. It does allude to a possible synergistic effect when use with test, but doesn't go into detail.Thaibox said:
Yes, it's way overpriced.
For a real world opinions search or email IronMaster/M.O.D. I believe these two have used GH extensively.
Like I said...talk to me like a gentleman, and I'll do my best to respond.
To jbolman: Never once did I say "I said so" though you use that as an attack toward me. Correct yourself and we can continue.
To BBkingpin: What makes anyone an authority? Is it a degree in biochemestry or academic credentials in pharmacology? If so, then Dan Duchaine was not an autority since he didn't have either. The Wright Brothers didn't attend aviation school but they were the ones who invented a machine that flew while no one else could. Should their accomplishments have been ignored becuase they didn't have "credentials?"
I have 30 years experience in this sport and have had over 300 published articles. (Yeah, I know: ANYBODY can do that. Give it a shot sometime) I've walked the walk by proving my methods on myself and hundreds of others. I've pissed off a lot of people in the industry for exposing their bullshit yet have received acclaim from some of the most presdigeous icons in bodybuilding. Bottom line: I think I offer something of value. That's my credentials. Take it or leave it.
Concerning 3 week cycles. I'm getting a little burned out here so I'll make this brief. (I've addressed this topic elsewhere on the board)
Even a long acting compound like sus loses considerable effectiveness after a few weeks. So if several shots are taken up front (not necessarily front loaded but over a period of a few days) it's conceivable to use it for a "3 week plan." The benefits of 3 week cycles is a lengthy disscusion in itself, so I respectfully request everyone cut me some slack and allow me to address this at another time -- or do a search-- or ask RealGains, since he's adopted the practice (even though we disagree on a few points). This has been tiring and I have some other commitments to attend to.
Thank you. Glad we got to do this.
To jbolman: Never once did I say "I said so" though you use that as an attack toward me. Correct yourself and we can continue.
To BBkingpin: What makes anyone an authority? Is it a degree in biochemestry or academic credentials in pharmacology? If so, then Dan Duchaine was not an autority since he didn't have either. The Wright Brothers didn't attend aviation school but they were the ones who invented a machine that flew while no one else could. Should their accomplishments have been ignored becuase they didn't have "credentials?"
I have 30 years experience in this sport and have had over 300 published articles. (Yeah, I know: ANYBODY can do that. Give it a shot sometime) I've walked the walk by proving my methods on myself and hundreds of others. I've pissed off a lot of people in the industry for exposing their bullshit yet have received acclaim from some of the most presdigeous icons in bodybuilding. Bottom line: I think I offer something of value. That's my credentials. Take it or leave it.
Concerning 3 week cycles. I'm getting a little burned out here so I'll make this brief. (I've addressed this topic elsewhere on the board)
Even a long acting compound like sus loses considerable effectiveness after a few weeks. So if several shots are taken up front (not necessarily front loaded but over a period of a few days) it's conceivable to use it for a "3 week plan." The benefits of 3 week cycles is a lengthy disscusion in itself, so I respectfully request everyone cut me some slack and allow me to address this at another time -- or do a search-- or ask RealGains, since he's adopted the practice (even though we disagree on a few points). This has been tiring and I have some other commitments to attend to.
Thank you. Glad we got to do this.
Ok, it seems like you are not willing to let things go. i just asked a legitimate question and you respond by referring back to the other thread. I am sorry if I misquoted you since you never said "i said so", what i was referring to was making statements backed up by nothing other than your opinion, hence the allusion to "i said so". I would rather move forward in the spirit of thaibox's request and not rehash old news here, would you? I am willing to give a more formal apology if you require it otherwise perhaps we can move on like mature adults. And I suppose you could call me jb if I call you nelson. 
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No offense, but the Wright Brothers could not have gone to aviation school because there wasn't any aviation before their first flight. If you are an authority than let's settle this debate about progesterone gyno from fina or deca and whether it is possible to get gyno while taking tamoxifen w/ Fina or Deca(assuming tamoxifen works for you when using test, d-bol, etc.) If tamoxifen is not going to be effective with fina/deca, then what will work and WHY??? And is Bromo going to prevent gyno while taking Fina and, if so, then HOW? Thanks.
JB baby, I love ya old-timer.
marx: Never said creatine was useless, just that it doesn't grow muscle. It retains water, thus providing a temporary increase in strength.
BB: That "If you're an authority" sounds a lttle provocative, but I'll try to address your questions anyway.
Of course it's possible to get gyno while taking tam with Deca or Fina.
Since tam prevents estrogen at the breast and Deca produces puffy nips from prog, not estrogen, it's two separate issues.
What will work? Proviron and Winstrol will supress some of the prog. But there are better choices than Deca so it's a moot point.
Can't comment on Bromo-- haven't used it and probaby never will. The safety is still a big question mark. As I said, I'm into building my body, not using it as a playground for science experiments. All I know about Bromo is what I've read which is probably no more than a lot of guys here. In the meantime. all I can give is advice, and my advice would be forget about Bromo and Deca.
marx: Never said creatine was useless, just that it doesn't grow muscle. It retains water, thus providing a temporary increase in strength.
BB: That "If you're an authority" sounds a lttle provocative, but I'll try to address your questions anyway.
Of course it's possible to get gyno while taking tam with Deca or Fina.
Since tam prevents estrogen at the breast and Deca produces puffy nips from prog, not estrogen, it's two separate issues.
What will work? Proviron and Winstrol will supress some of the prog. But there are better choices than Deca so it's a moot point.
Can't comment on Bromo-- haven't used it and probaby never will. The safety is still a big question mark. As I said, I'm into building my body, not using it as a playground for science experiments. All I know about Bromo is what I've read which is probably no more than a lot of guys here. In the meantime. all I can give is advice, and my advice would be forget about Bromo and Deca.
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Sorry, had to go do legs.
Nelson, with regard to your comment to jboldman....we're disregarding that old thread and starting new. Please keep it clean.
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"Never said creatine was useless, just that it doesn't grow muscle. It retains water, thus providing a temporary increase in strength."
Even if the only thing creatine did was to give a temporary strength increase induced soley by increased water retention, that would still be something useful. However, creatine also facilitates the regeneration of phosphocreatine(PCr), the depletion of which prevents adenosine triphosphate from being remanufactured at the rate demanded by an activity. Since PCr increases adenosine triphosphate, it releases a phosphate molecule and becomes adenosine diphosphate(energy). The amount of ATP in your body is influenced by the amount of creatine, hence the usefullness of creatine supplementation. More creatine = more fuel. This is clearly a huge advantage to the bodybuilder.
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"Concerning 3 week cycles. I'm getting a little burned out here so I'll make this brief. (I've addressed this topic elsewhere on the board) "
Please refer me to where this information is, or paste it here. It still makes no sense to me. How much Sustenon are we talking here? Does "Several shots" mean 750mg, 1g, what? Since there are multiple esters in Sustenon (including a long acting ester), I don't see how this is beneficial to stop administration at the time when it has begun to work. I don't understand how you can say that it "loses considerable effectiveness after a few weeks" when a few weeks is when it begins. You even classified it as a "long acting compound." This statement makes it very questionable. I could see if you said acetate or propianate maybe, but not sustenon. I don't think this is too "lengthy"of a discussion. Please provide some sort of support for it, as I believe it still makes no sense, nor does the primo/D-bol cycle(albeit a little more sense, but still not enough). You said Primobolan as an injectable(not an oral) which makes it an enanthate ester correct? Giving it..what, 10-14 days? How could that possibly be productive in a 3 week cycle? You may as well use a test with laurate.
Nelson, with regard to your comment to jboldman....we're disregarding that old thread and starting new. Please keep it clean.
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"Never said creatine was useless, just that it doesn't grow muscle. It retains water, thus providing a temporary increase in strength."
Even if the only thing creatine did was to give a temporary strength increase induced soley by increased water retention, that would still be something useful. However, creatine also facilitates the regeneration of phosphocreatine(PCr), the depletion of which prevents adenosine triphosphate from being remanufactured at the rate demanded by an activity. Since PCr increases adenosine triphosphate, it releases a phosphate molecule and becomes adenosine diphosphate(energy). The amount of ATP in your body is influenced by the amount of creatine, hence the usefullness of creatine supplementation. More creatine = more fuel. This is clearly a huge advantage to the bodybuilder.
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"Concerning 3 week cycles. I'm getting a little burned out here so I'll make this brief. (I've addressed this topic elsewhere on the board) "
Please refer me to where this information is, or paste it here. It still makes no sense to me. How much Sustenon are we talking here? Does "Several shots" mean 750mg, 1g, what? Since there are multiple esters in Sustenon (including a long acting ester), I don't see how this is beneficial to stop administration at the time when it has begun to work. I don't understand how you can say that it "loses considerable effectiveness after a few weeks" when a few weeks is when it begins. You even classified it as a "long acting compound." This statement makes it very questionable. I could see if you said acetate or propianate maybe, but not sustenon. I don't think this is too "lengthy"of a discussion. Please provide some sort of support for it, as I believe it still makes no sense, nor does the primo/D-bol cycle(albeit a little more sense, but still not enough). You said Primobolan as an injectable(not an oral) which makes it an enanthate ester correct? Giving it..what, 10-14 days? How could that possibly be productive in a 3 week cycle? You may as well use a test with laurate.
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