The main topic here was lost--aicar and gw501516.I am using gw on my rat and have noticed more energy reserve after 1 1/2 hr workouts with weights and after normal 1/2 hr cardio.I am going to incorporate aicar as soon as I find out the dose for my rat.After experimenting for a month with my rat I will be able to give a definitive report.Rat is eating strict diet with normal protein,carbs&fats.Main important goal is not so much reduction in fat but endurance and not that wiped out feeling from daily activities.