needsize, got another question

[ZGzaZ]

I started up the 5x5 tonight, and I got two questions... I started off with the flat bench 170 5x5 like you said before to me, after that I hit incline dumbells for 2 sets of 8-10 (failure)..and my other exercise I used Incline Flies 2 sets of 10.

My questions are, #1 I didnt really feel like this was quite enough for me, so I threw in 2 sets of cable crossovers to hit the inner chest a little more....is this okay? Or next time should I sub the crossovers for one of the two secondary exercises?

And Question 2...I'm following your routine pretty closely, and tomorrow will call for shoulders/back, now I felt a good amount of work to the shoulders tonight, a little more than normal....will it be okay to do them tomorrow? or will I overtrain if I continue the routine like this?

Thanks for all the help!

 

[needsize]

The work you're doing may not seem like enough, but when you keep adding weight to it every week your body will grow to adapt; dont be in a hurry to add extra exercises as they may hinder growth
Try shoulder/sback as scheduled and see how it feels, I've been doing it for years and it doesnt over train me, but try it yourself and see how it feels. On my schedule I have 2 days rest afterwards which does help

 

[TheOak84]

THEN, take a few cycles, and youll look like needsize in NO time..

 

[rjl296]

needsize was big b4 he took aas

 

[TheOak84]

i dont know what he took, what he looked like, are anyting about him.

i just dont take advice from roid users, like guys at my gym..

sure his methods work, but dont compare his results to a person

who uses 5x5 who is clean.. its not fair...

 

[needsize]

needsize was big b4 he took aas

THANK YOU, Oak, I sure hope that wasnt a shot at me as he is right, I only started my first cycle just over a year ago, and was already big and very strong long before then

 

[TheOak84]

then y did u take it

 

[needsize]

If you mean have I taken steroids, yes, I've run a few cycles in the past year, which has never been a secret. I put in 10 years in the gym before I ever touched a needle, hell, I didnt miss ONE sceduled workout in the last five years. I had a raw dead of 540lbs and a squat of just over 500 while still natural.
The 5x5 put close to 50lbs on my frame while still natural, and another 35lbs since

 

[TheOak84]

i never said it was a seceret..... i asked... why did u take it

 

[Zyglamail]

i dont know what he took, what he looked like, are anyting about him.

i just dont take advice from roid users, like guys at my gym..

sure his methods work, but dont compare his results to a person

who uses 5x5 who is clean.. its not fair...

Must be because roid users are clueless, I just dont understand some people.

 

[zackdarnell]

i never said it was a seceret..... i asked... why did u take it

Isnt this getting a little but off topic, TheOak? Why even bring up steroids?

 

[TheOak84]

the topic was already answered... im asked NS a question... thats all

 

[zackdarnell]

the topic was already answered... im asked NS a question... thats all

Why even post the first thing you posted on this thread, though?!

 

[Exodus]

oak...........

im natural too butt.......... they question was for needsize.

its like my momma always told me, if you dont have nothing to say then dont say nothing.

in other words...............shut up.

end of story.

X

 

[needsize]

Why did i take them....because after 10 years of completely dedicating myself to the sport, using every training approach and supplement, I knew I had plateaued and could not get any bigger or stronger on my own. After 10 years I wasnt going to give up on my dreams, so I made an educated decision to try steroids.

That quote of yours that Zyg quoted, is one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen on here. I gained over 50lbs naturally on the 5x5 routine, but as one of the ignorant masses, you just think I took a few pills and got huge. Please, naturally I was already a size that I doubt you could achieve even with drugs

 

[t3c]

hey oak...idiot

I did the 5x5 and gained about 18lbs or so and tons of strength a while back.

I'm 16, natural obviously. What do you have to say about that?

You seem to start lots of trouble. The tread was addressed to needsize, not only do you post something TOTALLY off topic...you bash a member while doing so. You seem like a trouble maker to me

 

[TheOak84]

all u guys are weird... what do i think about that? tssk..

i dont think anything... also NS, i never said anything bad about u, so dont put me down, you dont even know me, im not posting at this site anymore.. most of u guys use it to get big.. thats stupid.. jsut read some books.. fuck this site.. i thought it was kool, but, all u guys seem like fruit cakes using all the smiley faces and shit.. wow.. i dunno what to say.. how bout... or or ...

peace.. keep on growin...

 

[needsize]

Oak, you did more than that, read what Zyg has in quotes, that is an ignorant comment, which anyone who has ever used steroids would find insulting.
This board is about learning, thats why we all come here, the big and the small members, as there is always something new to learn about this sport. But your know it all attitude is what is getting you flamed, even the biggest people on here dont come across with the attitude you have. Relax a bit and you'll see how suuportive this board really is.
One last thing I find really funny, your signature is quotes from Arnold(who happens to be my hero anyway). Arnold used more drugs than you can imagine to get his physique

 

[Zyglamail]

In addition to what needsize stated, you comment about reading books is rather humerous since most book authers have also used AAS. I can understand how you may have come to your conclusions that AAS users may not have the skills to get large without AAS but there is always more to it and while some are lazy and look to AAS as the answer, many more put in hours of effort not only understand exercise mechanics but endocrinology aspects as well and how AAS affects the system as well as suppliments etc and this knowledge can be used for natural and assisted lifters alike.

In all truthfullness a method of lifting like the one needsize presented is actually much more beneficial to the no-AAS using athlete who so often succumbs to overtraining etc that isnt so common among those who use AAS. The end result is stating you dont listen to users of AAS but read books is not only niave but hipocritical. We are all hear, AAS users and non-AAS users alike, sharing training methods. The only difference between an AAS using athlete and who who doesnt use AAS is that the AAS user can train with more intensity and recover faster, aside from that there is little difference.

 

[TheOak84]

but he won 7 olympian titles.. you only take steroids to get big, which, i dont mind. i think i will take some too, after 5-6 more years.. Flamed? do u think that bothers me.. also, guaranteed the pros now take WAY more than arnold did.. if he took so much how come he only weighed 235.. and not 275... fuck most guys at 5'8' weigh 260+, and thats small for them...

 

[needsize]

but he won 7 olympian titles.. you only take steroids to get big, which, i dont mind

What gave you the idea that I'm only taking them to get big, I step on stage in septemeber and expect to be at the canadian nationals within 2 years

 

[rjl296]

What gave you the idea that I'm only taking them to get big, I step on stage in septemeber and expect to be at the canadian nationals within 2 years

good luck then