Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below i am 5'7" 130lbs. i just started my first cycle of dbol 25mg ed and sus 500 mg ew. before i started i was already shredded. i have always been cut but metabolism is so fast it is hard for me to gain mass. i am on day 9 of cycle and already up 5 lbs. this is my first cycle and i am loving it. my question is what is the best weight gainer shake that you guys have had the best results with. i currently have on serious mass but i am about out. is there anything better or any tips you can give me on how to gain the most mass while on my cycle. also thinking about trying some cellmass and no xplode while cycling. is this a good idea?
need weight gain advice
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get you proper diet in check the buy a good basic 30g per seving whey protien shake for snacks you dont need nitro tech or other desighner shit imo as long as its 100% whey and you dont need to add 20 scoops to get youre 30gbig bp said:
as for the othe supps Id spend my money on more gear
but you could you them when youre off to get the most out of themgood luck with you cycle ,have you got youre pct planned?
yeah but all i have is clomid for pct and yes i have worked out for 4 years. i know i am small but that is why i got some gear. without it i dont think it is genetically possible for me to get over 130 lbs, or at least i havent had any luck gaining weight in the last 4 years. when i first started lifting i went from 120 to 130 lbs but i have been stuck there forever.
solidspine
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How old are you?
Don’t worry about gaining weight, If you do things correctly
and that is very, very easy, you will gain lean muscle and lots of it
right now you have 5# of d-bol water your holding
Diet & training will give you lean muscle, just need to do it correctly.
It sounds like your young, so can grow your body slowly with training, diet, knowledge and gear when needed.
Run this cycle for 8 weeks, with anti-e’s, PCT
Than plan something more structured after a nice break in gear.
If your disciplined the muscle you are going to keep is from the sust, or what ever test your are taking
Don’t do the d-bol for more than 5 weeks, if you gain 10-15# (Water) drop the d-bol.
Don’t need it at your age.
Don’t worry about gaining weight, If you do things correctly
and that is very, very easy, you will gain lean muscle and lots of it
right now you have 5# of d-bol water your holding
Diet & training will give you lean muscle, just need to do it correctly.
It sounds like your young, so can grow your body slowly with training, diet, knowledge and gear when needed.
Run this cycle for 8 weeks, with anti-e’s, PCT
Than plan something more structured after a nice break in gear.
If your disciplined the muscle you are going to keep is from the sust, or what ever test your are taking
Don’t do the d-bol for more than 5 weeks, if you gain 10-15# (Water) drop the d-bol.
Don’t need it at your age.
silverbackn
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From the sound of your thread you have no idea how to eat. You need whole food, not shakes. You need to be eating tons of peanut butter, bread, whole eggs, beef, rice, oatmeal, milk, pop tarts, whatever. You just need to eat. You are probably eating about half of what you need to be eating. If you post up your diet that will give us a much better indication of what you need to do. If you would rather PM me I will help you out as much as possible.
how, in the name of all that is holy, are people encouraging this kid to be on??
he is fucking 130lbs! With that LONE piece of information we know he doesnt eat enough, so how can he be encouraged to use gear, when he cant eat enough naturally...
Dude, your cycle is gonna suck and you are going to be disappointed because you dont know what you're doing, you need to LEARN more and READ, more about dieting and training...
I dont believe for a second that you have been training for 4 years and just cant gain one more pound.......... BULLSHIT
PS... how old are you???
he is fucking 130lbs! With that LONE piece of information we know he doesnt eat enough, so how can he be encouraged to use gear, when he cant eat enough naturally...
Dude, your cycle is gonna suck and you are going to be disappointed because you dont know what you're doing, you need to LEARN more and READ, more about dieting and training...
I dont believe for a second that you have been training for 4 years and just cant gain one more pound.......... BULLSHIT
PS... how old are you???
silverbackn
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I will agree with you that he has no business being on, but that the same time do you think us saying he shouldn't be means he's going to stop? Him learning to eat now is better than never. Yes, he's missing the boat, but not helping him out won't improve his chances of getting it in the future.get456 said:
point taken, BUT i think his best course right now is to quit and start some of the clomid
he still has that option right now...
then AT LEAST he could take a few weeks to work on his diet and get ready... plus after 4 weeks of proper diet, he will make gains anyway, and maybe just maybe, realize that he needs to wait a while to get on....
just a thought
he still has that option right now...
then AT LEAST he could take a few weeks to work on his diet and get ready... plus after 4 weeks of proper diet, he will make gains anyway, and maybe just maybe, realize that he needs to wait a while to get on....
just a thought
solidspine
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Lets see how old he is,
As a starting point Big BP how old are you.
And by the way the people on this board are
Friends, believe it or not but we are.
Yes Friends, we may disagree, say stupid things, scream at each other, call names, etc, but most of us are here to learn and continue learning.
We enjoy the comrade, the competition, the hassle of being razed, or we wouldn’t post.
As a starting point Big BP how old are you.
And by the way the people on this board are
Friends, believe it or not but we are.
Yes Friends, we may disagree, say stupid things, scream at each other, call names, etc, but most of us are here to learn and continue learning.
We enjoy the comrade, the competition, the hassle of being razed, or we wouldn’t post.
silverbackn
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Agreed. I think he would be better off to start eating and training right for about another 3-4 years before he even thinks about touching anything!get456 said:
solidspine
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I keep writing to you because I was about 130# and 5’5”
until my late 30’s and early 40’s
I first started lifting in the early 60’s
until my late 30’s and early 40’s
I first started lifting in the early 60’s
Cauliflower Ear
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23 is not to young in my book...but teeach your body to grow with out the gear...just good diet and hitting the weights hard...then lets talke about gear.
theprofessor
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eat a fucking steak... twice a day... a bigass one... 
(+shakes and other meals...)
(+shakes and other meals...)
pitbullrocco
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silverbackn said:
bumpity bump bump dabump on that. dude, you need at least 4000 cals a day.....if your metabolism is as high as you think and you aren't exaggerating any, don't be scared of big fat juicy 600 calorie grease burgers from your favorite fastfood chain. eat them all day long. classic grilled chicken samwiches from mcd's aint that bad either.....eat at least a jar of All Natural Peanut Butter a day and 1-2 tablespoons of Flax Oil. don't be scared of fats bro.....i mean, 5'7" 130????? you must be all bones bro?
eat 300 g protein, 350 g carb and about 160 g of GOOD FATS a day. even real mayonaise if you have to. just eat all day long....every 2 hours eat something.
did i forget to mention to eat? oh, you might want to quit crystal meth while you cycle too.....might be a good idea
EDIT: I KID, I KID.....forgive me smartass mouth....
i think my diet is pretty good. you guys act like i just bought some roids expecting to get huge without researching or knowing a fucking thing about them. quitting is out of the question. the only reason i mentioned shakes is because i work 12 hour days with 3 15 minute breaks throughout the day and i dont have time to eat like i should during work. also i have been training for four years actually longer because i raced motocross when i was younger but four years of heavy training. 130 is all can manage. i eat more than probably anyone on this board when i have time and i know what to eat and what not to. if you guys dont believe anything i say then dont fucking say anything at all because if i am a liar then you are just wasting your time anyway
Silent Method
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You should have learned how to gain weight before jumping on the juice....
pitbullrocco
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big bp said:
in 15 minutes, you can get 1000 calories from a protein shake and ANPB.
we believe you bro, we're just trying a little "motivational speaking"....you know, a little rough tough positive incentive speach to get your gears gearing.....don't be so defensive.....we revel in that
i promise if you eat more calories than you burn a day, you'll get over 130. that is science, not art.
fuck you. dude i cant help i am small. my parents are both small so i never had a chance. crystal meth? whatever dude. at 5'7" 130 i bet i get more pussy than everyone of you cocksuckers who make themselves feel better by degrading someone who is smaller than them. your girlfriend sucks my dick for meth. dude all i wanted was some advice on how to gain weight fast. i know i am small but at least i am fucking trying. i thought you guys could help but i see you are all a bunch of pricks who have nothing better to do than to sit at a computer and fuck with the first person who comes along than might not know as much as you.
FFQuads
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big bp said:
Wow......he is mad!
Look, I started off at 160 lbs. and I'm 5 ft. 7 inch. After 5 years of lifting and eating I'm now anywere from 200-240 lbs. (depending on diet - etc.) I think your best bet is to put everything on paper. (cals, protein, carbs...) Then, make it first on your mind everyday that you MUST take it these foods. I would try something around 4000 cals. a day with 1.5 protein per pound BW. Keep your carbs. high. As small as you are now you could even throw in some triple cheese burgers - etc. Good luck feather weight! lol....j/k - Don't get mad again
okay, you're upset, but you never did answer the age question?.?
How do you get bigger, eat more. I don't think it's a rocket science question. If you are wanting advice on weight-gainers, go for ones with low sugar, like cytogainer or on pro gainer. But if you are putting a lot of hopes and dreams into the weight gainer, don't, it will never come close to real food for solid gains.
Also a note, you will get more positive responses, with a much better attitude. Just because someone questions you, how about just proving your dedication and research than just starting a bunch of nonsense name calling.
hpriii "yo mama"
How do you get bigger, eat more. I don't think it's a rocket science question. If you are wanting advice on weight-gainers, go for ones with low sugar, like cytogainer or on pro gainer. But if you are putting a lot of hopes and dreams into the weight gainer, don't, it will never come close to real food for solid gains.
Also a note, you will get more positive responses, with a much better attitude. Just because someone questions you, how about just proving your dedication and research than just starting a bunch of nonsense name calling.
hpriii "yo mama"
theprofessor
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did you read my post...
EAT TWO STEAKS A DAY additional to everything else you are eating...
not pussy-size steaks... 3/4lb. new yorkers...
im am not as small as you anymore... but at one point i was 115lb @ 5'4"... and red meat has packed more mass on me than anything else...
it sounds like you have a small frame like me... so any additional muscle will show up a lot more than someone with a large frame...
im now at mid 140's and only 8%ish body fat... which actualy looks pretty good on me... and when i wasted my time on shakes and gainers... thats all i did... waste my time...
i understand you eat a lot... but you should still post up your diet ...as it will let us help you more...
EAT TWO STEAKS A DAY additional to everything else you are eating...
not pussy-size steaks... 3/4lb. new yorkers...
im am not as small as you anymore... but at one point i was 115lb @ 5'4"... and red meat has packed more mass on me than anything else...
it sounds like you have a small frame like me... so any additional muscle will show up a lot more than someone with a large frame...
im now at mid 140's and only 8%ish body fat... which actualy looks pretty good on me... and when i wasted my time on shakes and gainers... thats all i did... waste my time...
i understand you eat a lot... but you should still post up your diet ...as it will let us help you more...
Silent Method
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How old are you? Dude, how do you train? Do you have a meal plan? Do you know how many cals/how much carbs, protein and fat you are taking in? What kind of supplements are you taking?
theprofessor
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...looks like he dont want help after all... oh well... 
VascularitY
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earlier you said that when your at work "you dont have time to eat." Considering that your working 12 hour days and probably 5 days a week, thats 60 hours per week that "you dont have time to eat" WTF are you cycling for if you cant make the time to eat? This alone tells me that you dont know a thing about what your getting yourself into here. If you were one of my clients I can guarantee that i could get you to 150 or 160 without AAS easily, just by changing your diet.
point is if you cant make the time to eat correctly, you should save your time and money for gear until your ready to do it correctly
Now at this point, i know your not gonna come off of this cycle early, so take everyones advice and in those 15 minute breaks you have concentrate on eating as much as you possibly can for that time period. Get a cooler with a cold pack and stock it up with anything consumable. Planning out meals is part of your cycle, just like your injections...it takes time and effort just figuring out how to get the calories in, something most people take for granted with their 3 meals a day. For AAS users eating is a full time job, so treat it like one.
point is if you cant make the time to eat correctly, you should save your time and money for gear until your ready to do it correctly
Now at this point, i know your not gonna come off of this cycle early, so take everyones advice and in those 15 minute breaks you have concentrate on eating as much as you possibly can for that time period. Get a cooler with a cold pack and stock it up with anything consumable. Planning out meals is part of your cycle, just like your injections...it takes time and effort just figuring out how to get the calories in, something most people take for granted with their 3 meals a day. For AAS users eating is a full time job, so treat it like one.
theprofessor
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agreed... if he dosnt learn to eat to grow naturaly... he WILL lose all his gains after the cycle... that is virtualy a given...VascularitY said:
BiggT
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I will give some input, but first I just want to be clear that I don't agree with the decision to use steroids, as at 130lbs you've got A LOT of room for growth naturally....why blow your load now when you can probably gain an enormous amount of weight naturally over the next few years? Don't be frustrated with where you are now, think of yourself as untapped potential.
To gain weight, with or without steroids, you need to eat more calories than you burn. I've seen plenty of younger guys who say they can't gain a pound despite "eating like a pig", and the fact of the matter is they just don't eat as much as they think.....or they eat like a pig for 1 meal, then thats it.....you can gain weight, your metabolism is probably an inferno and it may very well take 6000-8000 cals, but you can certainly gain weight with enough food, consistently, day in and day out.
The first thing you should do is start drinking 1 gallon of whole milk every day, you can probably do 1 quart with meals. Eat whole eggs, beef/fish/chicken, all kinds of carbs and fats, don't be afraid of the 'not so clean' stuff as you can more than afford it. If you can't drink a gallon of milk in a day, and eat 2lbs of beef and a lb of chicken in a day, then you're certainly not eating 'more than anyone on this board' I can guarantee you that.
Instead of worrying about steroids now, even thought I understand the desire and the frustration you probably have not having gotten where you want to be, you should really orry about eating more calories than you burn, and over the next 3 years, add 150 lbs to your 5-8 rep bench press and military press and 250lbs to your 5-8 rep squat and deadlift.....then start thinking steroids. Progressively training compound lifts and eating more cals than you burn is how you grow, steroids are a tool, but if you do the simple things wrong, you're just wasting your money.
Would you post a sample of you you honestly eat on a daily basis? This will help people out.
Something like this would be good for you.....
Breakfast: 5 whole eggs, 6 strips of bacon, 4 slices of toast, 1 quart of milk, 1 Snickers bar
Snack: 1 quart of milk, 1 LARGE bagel with cream cheese
Lunch: 12 inch chicken sub with all the trimmings, bag of chips, a couple doughnuts
Snack: 6 inch roast beef sub with all the trimmings, bag of chips, 1 Snickers bar
Snack: whey shake mixed with 10 egg whites whites, 3 tablespoons of peanut butter,3 tablespoons of olive oil, 2 bananas
Dinner: 1 pound of lean ground beef, steak fries, a package of frozen spinach, 1 quart of milk
snack before bed: 1 three-layer PB and banana sandwich with honey and a quart of milk
That isn't a 'magic diet' and I have no idea how many cals it is....but it should give you an idea of where about you need to be, meal-wise.
To gain weight, with or without steroids, you need to eat more calories than you burn. I've seen plenty of younger guys who say they can't gain a pound despite "eating like a pig", and the fact of the matter is they just don't eat as much as they think.....or they eat like a pig for 1 meal, then thats it.....you can gain weight, your metabolism is probably an inferno and it may very well take 6000-8000 cals, but you can certainly gain weight with enough food, consistently, day in and day out.
The first thing you should do is start drinking 1 gallon of whole milk every day, you can probably do 1 quart with meals. Eat whole eggs, beef/fish/chicken, all kinds of carbs and fats, don't be afraid of the 'not so clean' stuff as you can more than afford it. If you can't drink a gallon of milk in a day, and eat 2lbs of beef and a lb of chicken in a day, then you're certainly not eating 'more than anyone on this board' I can guarantee you that.
Instead of worrying about steroids now, even thought I understand the desire and the frustration you probably have not having gotten where you want to be, you should really orry about eating more calories than you burn, and over the next 3 years, add 150 lbs to your 5-8 rep bench press and military press and 250lbs to your 5-8 rep squat and deadlift.....then start thinking steroids. Progressively training compound lifts and eating more cals than you burn is how you grow, steroids are a tool, but if you do the simple things wrong, you're just wasting your money.
Would you post a sample of you you honestly eat on a daily basis? This will help people out.
Something like this would be good for you.....
Breakfast: 5 whole eggs, 6 strips of bacon, 4 slices of toast, 1 quart of milk, 1 Snickers bar
Snack: 1 quart of milk, 1 LARGE bagel with cream cheese
Lunch: 12 inch chicken sub with all the trimmings, bag of chips, a couple doughnuts
Snack: 6 inch roast beef sub with all the trimmings, bag of chips, 1 Snickers bar
Snack: whey shake mixed with 10 egg whites whites, 3 tablespoons of peanut butter,3 tablespoons of olive oil, 2 bananas
Dinner: 1 pound of lean ground beef, steak fries, a package of frozen spinach, 1 quart of milk
snack before bed: 1 three-layer PB and banana sandwich with honey and a quart of milk
That isn't a 'magic diet' and I have no idea how many cals it is....but it should give you an idea of where about you need to be, meal-wise.
silverbackn
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I'm gonna be blunt with you because you're out of line. I outweigh you by a hundred pounds right now and have about 8% bodyfat. I'm pretty sure you don't eat more than I do. I eat about 150-200 grams of carbs with EVERY meal. I bet you that I eat more before 11AM than you do all day. You don't have the first clue as to what you are talking about. There are experienced bro's on here who are trying to help your clueless ass and you are throwing dirt. Good luck.big bp said:
silverbackn said:
good post...
"small BP" you need to lose the attitude, you are coming on THIS board looking for advice popping dbols at 130lbs... PLUS you havent given us your age yet, which means you are probably under 20...
Next, did i mention lost the attitude? I dont give a shit what you THINK you have done in the past... if you havent gained one pound, it isnt hard to do the math that says you arent eating enough.. PERIOD, end of story.
Next... working 12 hours a day blah blah... its even MORE important that you get your diet, dedication on point before you start, because if you dont, you STILL wont gain any real muscle AND you'll be worse off than before cuz ur gonna crash and get depressed that you are pounding out those heavy reps with 135lbs on the bench (sarcasm haha)....
you'll end up weaker, smaller, and more depressed than before
jacshelb
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I know how you feel, I was always skinny and am still not huge (gone from 142 to as high as 224 and am now a decent 205 ish- check my avatar...). I tried and got so frustrated trying to gain weight a few years back. I wrote everything down that I ate and figured the calories. at 145 lbs, I believed I would need 3000-3500 cal./day to grow. but, I didn't grow until I consistantly got 4200-4500 calories EVERY DAY. You gotta take a break from high cal if you put on too much fat, but you won't have to worry about that for awhile. There are thousands of young guys in the same position. It's frustrating, but you just have to break past that calorie threshold and find your own "sweetspot" calorie wise. Good luck! And, btw, you are getting some good advice here, don't take the wisecracks personally, no-one means any real harm.
Jacob
Jacob
gettnlarge01
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I"ve been where you are at with the weight and job thing and this is what I had to do.I used weight gainer shakes by MLO called muscle-blast 2000.Take 3000 calories worth of shakes to work with you and some peanut butter.Make time to drink the shakes and eat the peanut butter at your breaks and when not at work eat until you"re stuffed at least every 2hrs.If your metabolism is as fast as you say your gonna need to get in at 7500 calories a day at least.I gained 40lbs natural doing this and you can too but you have to make time to eat.If you don"t the muscle how is it supposed to grow?big bp said:
Silent Method
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Um, wow. Some of you are actually trying to help. Neato. 
big bp get back in. Stats, training, diet??
big bp get back in. Stats, training, diet??
silverbackn
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All I can say is have some humility and listen to the people that have insight and are trying to help you. We all have to overcome obstacles, none of us are pro bb'ers who do nothing but eat, sleep, and train. To be honest, almost 100% of threads like this come down to the person thinking they eat a ton when in all actuality they are only eating 2,500 calories. I was stuck at 220 and then my boy who was a competitive bb'er told me I wasn't eating enough, I told him he was crazy! I said there is no way I could eat anymore than I do. I started eating 1,000g's of carbs a day and i got up to 240 without having ever touched a drug. We all need to be called out sometimes, the intelligent ones of us will capitalize on it and grow, the ignorant ones will just keep bitching about genetics and change nothing. I hope you are the former.
thanks for the help guys. by the way i am 23. maybe i am not eating enough. i usually eat 2 chicken biscuits for breakfast, a shake and some peanuts at break, a solid lunch with beef or chicken and vegetables, a shake and some fruit for next break, same type of supper as lunch, shake and pb sandwich before bed. i thought for sure this would be enough. sorry to the guys trying to help none of what i said was intended for you. i lift hard 5 days a week. i need to make myself eat even more i guess, but i am still not quitting now i had way too good of a workout while ago. this shit is crazy!
silverbackn
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This is easy to fix, you aren't eating any carbs. I know you are restricted with work and how much time you have. Start adding pop tarts to each meal. They are a quick 70g's of carbs for 2 of them. That will help you immensely. Your diet is pretty low calorie to be honest with you. I know it sucks when you don't have any time to eat. Just try to find things you can carry and eat easily, bananas, pop tarts, pb, bagels, etc. Good luck and get to eating!!!!big bp said:
FFQuads
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big bp said:
You might want to re-think the 5 days a week training. (I thought I would never say that) Maybe look at some core training with basic heavy lifting. This will help you get stronger which = size = weight. Look into 5x5 training. You can find a link to it at the top of the Weight Training threads. Just a thought...
jacshelb
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I second that on the 5 days a week thing... Us ectomorphs should never train more than 4 days per week unless we're cutting up for a contest. Personally (don't crucify me guys..) I train between 2 and 3 times per week, depending on how I'm training (i.e. I may do one heavy upper body workout and one heavy lower body workout a week or break it up more it just depends). I lift hard and heavy and am still making gains both naturally and when I do a short cycle, so it works for me. I KNOW that I don't grow on more training, so I just don't go back to it. For years I trained 4-5 days per week and just couldn't make any appreciable gains- cutting back on training frequency and upping the calories made ALL the difference in the world for me. Good luck!
Jacob
p.s. I also agree on the heavy core work. If you do increasingly heavier sets of bench, bent rows, squats etc. until you can't add any more weight then you'll see whole body growth. I mean, split this up into three workouts, but definately base your training around core lifts.
Jacob
p.s. I also agree on the heavy core work. If you do increasingly heavier sets of bench, bent rows, squats etc. until you can't add any more weight then you'll see whole body growth. I mean, split this up into three workouts, but definately base your training around core lifts.
silverbackn
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This is pretty much the standard protocol for ecto's. Hit the big basic moves, train less frequently, and eat and rest more.jacshelb said:
Protobuilder
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Olive oil is a ridiculously easy way to add calories. One tablespoon = 120 calories worth of healthy fats. Work up to where you can toss 2-3 tablespoons in your shakes and do that 3 times a day. Whole milk, a few scoops of protein powder, and a few Tspoons of olive oil and your shake hits 1000 calories easy.
pitbullrocco
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VascularitY said:
yep....once you start spending all day sunday flipping the grill for the upcoming week, then you're plannin'.....
i don't leave the house until my thermal's packed and bulging.....hour late to work already or not
pitbullrocco
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true true....i've had great NATURAL results doing a core training cycle.....2 to 3 weeks full body workouts M-W-F, mostly if not all compounds (reg and stiff deads, squat, bent over BB rows, pullups, bench, etc a must) .....then switch to 1 to 2 weeks of hardcore isolation M-T-Th-F.....maximize fiber recruitement
but i agree you will get most your growth with full body heavy sets and REST!!
oh, BP, let it out bro....get mad ... you'll feel the motivation burning from your soul... now go out and spend at least $300 at the grocery store today.
but i agree you will get most your growth with full body heavy sets and REST!!
oh, BP, let it out bro....get mad ... you'll feel the motivation burning from your soul... now go out and spend at least $300 at the grocery store today.
monopoly19
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To the OP:
What a joke. Your the kinda person that give AAS a bad name. You remind me of that fag who was on "true life".
The real reason you can't gain weight is that your training/workouts suck dick, and you have no clue how to eat.
I'm not big by any means, but I was able to put on over 40lbs natty before finally getting on. I don't want to hear this bullshit excuse about how you don't have time to eat blah blah blah. Welcome to the real world, you are in the same situation as 90% of the rest of us who find a way to make it work.
Get off of your cycle NOW. Take the advice of others who have been kind enough to not slam you. Start eating 6k plus calories a day and get a decent training program. Restart your cycle when you are over 160lbs.
Monopoly
What a joke. Your the kinda person that give AAS a bad name. You remind me of that fag who was on "true life".
The real reason you can't gain weight is that your training/workouts suck dick, and you have no clue how to eat.
I'm not big by any means, but I was able to put on over 40lbs natty before finally getting on. I don't want to hear this bullshit excuse about how you don't have time to eat blah blah blah. Welcome to the real world, you are in the same situation as 90% of the rest of us who find a way to make it work.
Get off of your cycle NOW. Take the advice of others who have been kind enough to not slam you. Start eating 6k plus calories a day and get a decent training program. Restart your cycle when you are over 160lbs.
Monopoly
thanks for the help guys. i know you guys think i should quit but i am not. i did arms yesterday and had the best workout of my life. people were looking at me saying damn your little ass is getting bigger! it made me feel good. i am going to take you guys advice and change my diet up a little bit and see what happens. all the negative shit is just motivating me to prove you guys wrong. i have 8 weeks left and then i will send some pictures. i know you guys think i shouldnt be on but heroin addicts shouldnt be shooting up everyday either but try to tell them that. if i go through this cycle and i felt like i wasted my time and money then i will be the first to apologize to you guys and admit i was wrong but i am willing to do whatever it takes to make it a good cycle. thanks again to the guys for your advice and if i need anything else i will keep you posted.
pitbullrocco
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big bp said:
so you got it all figured out.....you got your PCT all lined out and IN HAND already?
VascularitY
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dont just change your diet a little bit, other than that good luck bro....i cant wait to see before and after pics
malkierknight
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big bp said:
i somewhat agree with him here. my work out partner has a hard time gaining weight, but as for myself never had a problem with it. my buddy was 132 pounds able to bench press 300. i had 100 pounds easy on him and was able to do that same thing. now after 4 years of training he is about 165, at 5'7 and i still got a hundred pounds on him and only here in the last few weeks have i really gotten past him in the bench press. some people generally get more dense than big. my arms are almost 21 inches, and his are 16 1/2 inches, but i cant curl more than my partner on a straight bar
Hey dude... I feel your pain... I was 123lbs @ 5'11 when I started training... and I got up to 135... then 142... then 150ish... and thought I'd try a lite cycle of Sus250 250/week... I gained about 8lbs... and lost it... as I wasn't eating enough, and was basically looking for ANY way to gain weight... when I thought my diet was on point.. and it wasn't... You just honestly need to eat more food...
And you know what else... I was the guy reading exactly what I am typing from someone else... just like you are now... and I always said... for YEARS, *I* want to be *that guy* someday... the guy that is giving the advice.. telling it like it is... but you know what... I thought fuck it.. I'm destined to be small... and that's that... no way can I grow... I thought I was doing things right... but then I'd get discouraged, and stop etc... and I flip flopped around 150 - 157lbs for years... it was REALLY REALLY irritating... then I just buckled down for a year... made SURE not to miss workouts, and FINALLY got up to 165... from there... I did a small cycle.. I wasn't very balanced, and cut etc...
NOW I'm not a hige man... but I'm a solid 175 @ 5'11... and I look GREAT... and that's fantastic for me... I'm happy where I'm at, and am looking for more... Just keep that drive going, and MAKE time to eat/sleep/train... you can do it... however it ultimately boils down to perseverence, and how strongly you are willing to sacrafice to get there... you CAN get there... you just have to want it bad enough...
And you know what else... I was the guy reading exactly what I am typing from someone else... just like you are now... and I always said... for YEARS, *I* want to be *that guy* someday... the guy that is giving the advice.. telling it like it is... but you know what... I thought fuck it.. I'm destined to be small... and that's that... no way can I grow... I thought I was doing things right... but then I'd get discouraged, and stop etc... and I flip flopped around 150 - 157lbs for years... it was REALLY REALLY irritating... then I just buckled down for a year... made SURE not to miss workouts, and FINALLY got up to 165... from there... I did a small cycle.. I wasn't very balanced, and cut etc...
NOW I'm not a hige man... but I'm a solid 175 @ 5'11... and I look GREAT... and that's fantastic for me... I'm happy where I'm at, and am looking for more... Just keep that drive going, and MAKE time to eat/sleep/train... you can do it... however it ultimately boils down to perseverence, and how strongly you are willing to sacrafice to get there... you CAN get there... you just have to want it bad enough...
needtogetaas
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eat like you were eating for 3 large men.
silverbackn
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I had a roommate in college who was 5'10 or 5'11 and was about 140. One of the skinniest 20 year old dudes I had ever seen. He told me that he ate like crazy. After living 7 feet from him for 2 weeks I realized he was confusing eating shit with eating a lot. A bag of doritos and some reese's cups twice a day is not a lot of food. He like everyone else that has ever lived with me got all fired up about working out, he kept complaining about not being able to gain weight. I just started saying, "eat like a bitch look like a bitch" everytime he said anything about it. I actually enjoyed it. I would do it in front of his girlfriend and she would laugh. He never did figure it out.bw1 said:I was looking for someone to post this. Well said Silver k to you. I'd be curious to see his diet, his metabolism probably isn't as fast as he thinks
jacshelb
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silverbackn said:
So, so true! I mean, I'm not a real big guy or anything, but everytime you encounter the same thing. You break down someone's diet and it's chips, pop, and one hamburger a day... (I know this isn't anyone's diet on here, but it is for a lot of people around)
I'm not super strict with my diet when I bulk, as I am an ecto myself. I only bulk for 12 days at a time at this point (when off that is), otherwise I eat pretty clean. When bulking, though, my daily intake goes something like this:
Shake for breakfast:
12 oz. Milk, 1 scoop protein powder, 2 servings powdered milk, banana, flax seed (ground, 3 Tablespoons), creatine, cinnamon
Lunch: 2 large hamburgers, cottage cheese, fruit
another shake as above
Dinner: (whatever I can get my hands on in large quantities) steak, potatoes, pasta etc. pizza maybe
Snack: cereal, cheese, whatever just eat eat eat
Another meal of meat and potatoes, or maybe even some ice-cream
Shake before bed, same as before
Each shake is about 600-700+ calories and meals average another 3000 for about a 5000 calorie total. I'm just putting this out there to the original poster or whoever. Like I said, it's pretty loose, you don't have to be super strict. Throw in some ice-cream now and again, or pizza or whatever. Even on cycle growing is all about calories! Again, I'm not saying this is the bible for bulking or anything, just how one skinny dude did it (started out at 142 at 6'2" tall and gained well over 60 lean lbs, been as high as 224). Again, best of luck!
Jacob
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Set a digital wrist watch to sound an alarm every two hours and make sure you eat within a half hour of that alarm. Once you've eaten, reset the alarm.
A great deal of gaining weight is simply time management.
I had excellent results with this strategy.
A great deal of gaining weight is simply time management.
I had excellent results with this strategy.
silverbackn
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The more of an ecto that someone is the more they can get away with and maybe even need to hit some high calorie meals that aren't exactly clean. Especially in the beginning phases of trying to put weight on. I eat pretty clean in the off-season, but if I want to eat something else I will. I struggle to put weight on myself, I am trying to eat clean and put it on slowly. After 10 years of solid training my body won't just blow up with new muscle, it has to be slow and steady to put on quality weight.jacshelb said:
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