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This is a 3 day per week program (at least the ones that I referenced - apparently there is another popular program running around the BBing boards that is also called 5x5 but this is the famous one of the same name). I happen to really like it because it provides a lot of extra time during the week for an athlete to pursue skills in his or her own sport (or do whatever you want) without compromising progress on your overall foundation of strength and power. These workouts get damn hard in the last weeks of the volume and intensity phases. The deloading periods are welcome when they come.

I wouldn't ever really bother training calves directly. Increase your squat and pull and your calve power will increase (dynamic pulling i.e. power cleans/high pulls/power shrugs) can also work these effectively.

The primary drivers for long term arm growth are overall body mass generators (squats/dead/heavy presses/rows). Direct work just tends to flush them out a bit. If it really worked well you can bet by now that one of the noodlearms in the gym who spend their lives training bis would have lucked into the right combination. If they spent their lives pulling and squatting - they'd be a lot bigger and have bigger arms. You can throw in a single bicept and a single tricept exercise if you wish. If volume gets overly hard, cut these if you choose.

The athletes in question are generally close to a class restriction or are already near their ideal weight for their sport. Take that to mean, low body fat levels. Diet is kind of outside the scope of all this. To be honest, get enough protein, space the protein throughout the day, take in more calories than your body needs to maintain itself (if you already have some decent fat on you, you are covering this). Satisfying basic dietary needs for growth is not rocket science but it is also not a license to indulge. Eat what you need but if the goal is to get bigger it will be very hard if you are worried about a gram of this and a gram of that straining out your egg whites. In short, eat to grow and the program will do the rest. If body fat levels are rising too quickly, scale back your carb/fat a bit and overall calories should adjust.

EDIT - I'm considering doing a complete write up of this program for this board. It's in 1000 other places around the net but this is a very easy to use program and it's a good illustration of regulating volume and intensity with the 2 distinct phases and the deloading week in the middle. It's very bodybuilder friendly once the powercleans are subbed out. I might also throw in some instructions for basic dynamic pulling.
 
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You mention power cleans. Im gonna stick to the :
Mon:Squat, Bench, Rows
Wed: Squats , Military Press, Deadlifts, Chins
Fri: Squats, Bench, Rows.
Is this ok to stick to? I can mix it up with powercleans from time to time i guess.
 
Stick with one exercise for the duration. Rotating things in to mix it up ends up screwing it up.

Remember that what you are doing on my program is not a simple supercompensation workout to workout thing (that stuff doesn't work as evidenced by the horrid success of most programs based solely on it). You are strategically accruing a decifit over time and providing just enough deloading (week 5, and then lower volume for the beginning of the intensity phase) to get your feet back from under you before you hit the overreaching again (after which another period of deloading is required).
 
So how ong would you recommend i load and deload? So on the deloading phase how much volume should i drop? Are we talking in terms of dropping sets or reps and or poundages? At the first week of the next loading phase i should build it up over the first week and then hit it in the second week right?
 
Excellent! Thank you. I see you only do one set of rows on Mon (with extra warm ups for volume). Do you suggest i do this, or stick with the 5x5. Also when you say add weight weekly ( to the movements) you are only talking about a few pounds right?
 
Just to update my progress on what has been a great routine for me:
I started 6 or 7 weeks ago.
starting stats:
"5'6"
18yo
145lbs
195 bench
215 squat
365 deadlift
training 1-1.5yrs"
also:
pullups 15x3
military press - 105x3 (i truly neglect my lateral delts)


now, based on most recent workouts:
still 5'6" (damn!)
still 145 lbs
bench - 205x2
squat - 255x2
deadlift - 365x5
pullups: 30x3
military press: 120x3

I know most of you guys are bodybuilders and will notice my lack of weight gain. I am personally interested in powerlifting and strength training and consider this routine to be a huge success. I plan to continue to use the general template of the routine for a long time.
 
lavi said:
Just to update my progress on what has been a great routine for me:
I started 6 or 7 weeks ago.
starting stats:
"5'6"
18yo
145lbs
195 bench
215 squat
365 deadlift
training 1-1.5yrs"
also:
pullups 15x3
military press - 105x3 (i truly neglect my lateral delts)


now, based on most recent workouts:
still 5'6" (damn!)
still 145 lbs
bench - 205x2
squat - 255x2
deadlift - 365x5
pullups: 30x3
military press: 120x3

I know most of you guys are bodybuilders and will notice my lack of weight gain. I am personally interested in powerlifting and strength training and consider this routine to be a huge success. I plan to continue to use the general template of the routine for a long time.


Lavi,
Looks like you made some pretty nice gains over the last 7 weeks. Seems like this routine is working for you. keep working hard, and you will keep making progress. you might want to look into a WSB routine. this will better suit your powerlifting needs.
 
Nice results Lavi. You might consider a few weeks of lighter lower volume training in the future and then pushing on the program harder again. Especially if you're starting to fatigue and progress is slowing - plus you might find you gain quite a bit of muscle during this period (plus you need to make sure you are getting enough calories if this is a goal). EDIT: This is because there's no defined deloading period in the basic workout and you can only push so hard for so long. END EDIT Definitely look at WSB also for strict PL.
 
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Thanks guys. I was actually doing WSB with the input of other powerlifters for the 6 months before this (without chains/bands). It wasn't working very well, although I don't know for sure why. It could be outside factors or still too much of a beginner. I think I just didn't fully understand how to manage volume and all the complications of WSB and still don't.
 
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