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well the diet part wasnt too hard to follow today. i still need more fat though. i'm at 95.5g so far and i need 279!!

training went horrible. i bench over 300 but i couldnt even do 155 for 15! thats a hell of a lot of volume too. this coupled with the circuit training on the last day leads me to believe this is a machine/cable training program.

so today all i did was:

bench: 155x12x2x1=15 reps, 160x6!!

got pooped out here

incline bench: 135x8

flyes: 20lbs x 10

'rack' deads (off bench) 225x5x5sets

yates rows: 155x5x5 sets

this program you have outlined is too much volume for me, and maybe its because i use free weights. HST sounds good to me. in and out and it works.
 
1) You are way under for the fat intake. If you do not get enough fat you will not get into ketosis period, that is what your body will be using for fuel. And since you didn't have enough fat, that means you compensated the rest of the cals needed to hit BMR with protein. Protein has a 50% turnover rate into glycogen, so its like eating carbs when you have too much. I repeat, you will not reach ketosis this way. Since ketosis is PROTEIN SPARING you do not need to be having that much. Stick around 25 % protein and the rest fat.

2) Now for the workouts. Yes it is hard to do the sets, but you MUST do them if you want to get back into ketosis after the carb up in time for the next carb up. The purpose of the 15, 12, 10, 8, 6, 15 is to burn as much muscle glycogen as you can, which gets you into ketosis fastest. Your not going to be building any muscle from following the CKD so there is no need to go heavy. All your trying to do is retain it.

This is how it should be done:

Ex. Bench Press

150 lbs x 15 reps, then immedietly do a weight you can do to get 12 reps, then immedietly a weight you can do to get 10... all this until you have completed the whole 15, 12, 10, 8, 6, 15 cycle. These are all in a row, no breaks. You can do free weights with this, I do, and so do most. Sometimes I mix a few machines in there, but stick mainly to the free weights, even if it means going down to weights that make you embarresed to be lifting. Trust me, if you push yourself you can do it. Took me a a couple weeks to get used to it. I took the same path you did and it didn't work. I just did my own routine and I didn't reach ketosis until about a day before the carb up, if that. So you see, your going to be wasting a lot of time there, and most likely ALOT of muscle. Stick to how the program is designed EXACTLY, I repeat EXACTLY and you will get great results. If you can not follow this, then you are really just wasting your time.
 
thanks, i'll keep trying i guess. weights are going to be embarassing, but i'll do it.

i just cant eat enough fat! i'm damn near broke so i cant buy flax...

if i eat anymore ranch dressing w/ canola oil i seriously think i'll puke. it tastes like rancid cow ass thats been sitting in shit in 90 degree weather
 
jeremys said:
thanks, i'll keep trying i guess. weights are going to be embarassing, but i'll do it.

i just cant eat enough fat! i'm damn near broke so i cant buy flax...

if i eat anymore ranch dressing w/ canola oil i seriously think i'll puke. it tastes like rancid cow ass thats been sitting in shit in 90 degree weather

Maybe mayo will be cheaper for you. Try mixing tuna w/ mayo, like 1 can of tuna w/ 3 tbsp mayo. I don't know how you can handle the ranch, but canola by itself will do you good if you can just stick w/ it. Flaxseed is NOT mandatory.

Try the tuna approach if the money is tight....

Mr.X
 
i have tuna and mayo but i cant have too much more mayo. i'm up to like 11 or 12g carbs for the day. the ranch dressing i have has 17g fat with only 1g carb so thats a lot better than the mayo.

i'll just take a lot of oil
 
jeremys said:
i have tuna and mayo but i cant have too much more mayo. i'm up to like 11 or 12g carbs for the day. the ranch dressing i have has 17g fat with only 1g carb so thats a lot better than the mayo.

i'll just take a lot of oil

Actually, you can have 20-30 carbs, so you can eat more mayo then you think you can.

Mr.X
 
THANK GOD. btw, lettuce doesnt have any carbs, does it? the dressing would probably go down a lot easier in a salad
 
jeremys said:
THANK GOD. btw, lettuce doesnt have any carbs, does it? the dressing would probably go down a lot easier in a salad

Actually it does, so try not to add too much. A few leafs will do. I think fitday.com has the nutrition facts on lettuce.

Mr.X
 
i only had a little

it's MUCH easier to take the oil straight instead of w/ ranch dressing and/or mayo. yuck.

im at about 210g of fat for the day now. a little ways to go. should i have met the 85% earlier in the day or does it not matter when you get enough fat and pro?
 
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