NEED Suggestions!!!!

[cgrig]

27, 180lb, very active i think. been reading a lot the last week, pretty set on getting help from a ph.... my main concern is PCT. what is needed, ive heard just a test booster and that it.... yes or no???

 

[timtim]

27, 180lb, very active i think. been reading a lot the last week, pretty set on getting help from a ph.... my main concern is PCT. what is needed, ive heard just a test booster and that it.... yes or no???

its more complicated than that. look into pct. there are 1,000;s of threads here. you shouldnt do any supplements if you really are uncertain what to expect.

 

[cgrig]

Thanks

 

[chucktown04]

Future is right. What he has posted above is a GREAT place to start but unfortunately is only the tip of the iceburg. You ask a very very broad and in depth question. If you are new to weight training you need to work on building a base for your workouts and diet regimen before worrying about bulking and cutting. You build a base for training by focusing on compound exercises (shoulder press, bench press, squats, rows, etc.) 4-5 times a week and cardio at least two in order to build your cardiovascular system for your new muscles! You should also try to start consuming protein shakes before and after your workouts and maybe purchase some creatine and glutamine supplements to take with your shakes (both are very effective and cheap supplements and they don't have to be name brand).

Also, list some stats: Age, weight, height, and goals and I will try to offer more helpful information

 

[chucktown04]

27, 180lb, very active i think. been reading a lot the last week, pretty set on getting help from a ph.... my main concern is PCT. what is needed, ive heard just a test booster and that it.... yes or no???

What's your height, I just saw you had everything else listed above? Also, I wouldn't worry about getting a ph if you just started weight training you will see great results in your first three months with proper diet and exercise. There is no magic pill. IMO PCT for ph is a waste of money. Researching ph right now would be a waste of your time you should be focused on learning more about training and diet

 

[timtim]

What's your height, I just saw you had everything else listed above? Also, I wouldn't worry about getting a ph if you just started weight training you will see great results in your first three months with proper diet and exercise. There is no magic pill. IMO PCT for ph is a waste of money. Researching ph right now would be a waste of your time you should be focused on learning more about training and diet

pct for pro-hormones is a waste? im confused, natural test production and the hpta are compromised by ph's, why would no pct be necessary? i strongly disagree with your opinion about pct and feel its borderline bad advice. any compromising to natural test production requires a pct.

 

[chucktown04]

pct for pro-hormones is a waste? im confused, natural test production and the hpta are compromised by ph's, why would no pct be necessary? i strongly disagree with your opinion about pct and feel its borderline bad advice. any compromising to natural test production requires a pct.

Just to be clear ph (pro-hormones) are the pills you get over the counter at gnc right? I have really never seen results from any ph when I have taken them so generally you are throwing you money away with them. If they aren't actually raising your test leves nor inducing any hpta response why would pct be necessary. Everyone's body is different so maybe its just me and others have seen better results and need pct but does someone really need to go out and buy clomid and hcg for some OTC stuff?

 

[timtim]

Just to be clear ph (pro-hormones) are the pills you get over the counter at gnc right? I have really never seen results from any ph when I have taken them so generally you are throwing you money away with them. If they aren't actually raising your test leves nor inducing any hpta response why would pct be necessary. Everyone's body is different so maybe its just me and others have seen better results and need pct but does someone really need to go out and buy clomid and hcg for some OTC stuff?

for real prohormones, yes you would need a pct. not hcg but nolva and/or clomid. real prohormones are steroids, just dirty and have a ton of sides. alot arent classified yet as drugs, but will be.

 

[chucktown04]

for real prohormones, yes you would need a pct. not hcg but nolva and/or clomid. real prohormones are steroids, just dirty and have a ton of sides. alot arent classified yet as drugs, but will be.

yes i agree if they are real...and a lot of the stuff they used to sell otc were pretty strong but i don't know about that anymore. are you talking about stuff you have to get illegally then yes pct is a good idea like it is for real steroids

 

[timtim]

yes i agree if they are real...and a lot of the stuff they used to sell otc were pretty strong but i don't know about that anymore. are you talking about stuff you have to get illegally then yes pct is a good idea like it is for real steroids

no, they arent illegal. they just arent scheduled yet.