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supersets arent ideal for mass building. 5x5 might be something you would like.
K.I.S.S. (some things to get you started)
Bodybuilders and strength athletes are always saying you have to train past failure to make good strength and size gains. What do they mean? There are a number of different ways of going beyond the pain barrier in order to work a muscle as much as possible, all of which take dedication and enthusiastic training, with the absolute want to make gains. The aim of a workout is to stimulate as many muscle fibres in the muscle as possible, and to do this the muscle must be trained to complete exhaustion.
Some of us think we train hard. I used to think so, but looking back that was only at a level of about 80% of how hard I train now. Even if your diet is perfect, and you take quality anabolic aids, you will not grow if you don't give it 100% in the gym. And 100% means 100%, i.e. until you physically (not psychologically) cannot do anymore.
Some bodybuilders claim they train better without a partner, but most find they need one, not only for encouragement, but to give assistance in order to do a few more reps after reaching failure on a weight.
Ways of training beyond failure are discussed below, many of which require assistance from a training partner:
Forced reps
Train to failure, then get a spot to assist you in lifting a few more reps out, but keep your form strict.
Drop sets or stripdowns
This is where you train to failure with a weight, then immediately use a lighter weight. Typically triple-drops are used, but there's no reason not to go all out sometimes and drop until hardly any weight is being lifted, going to failure on each weight.
Negative reps
Positive failure is where it is no longer possible to lift the weight. This is reached before negative failure, which is where it is no longer possible to control the negative movement of the weight. Here, after you have reached positive failure, your training partner will lift the weight, and you have to control it on the way down for a few reps.
Negative resistance reps
This is where, after positive failure, your training partner lifts the positive part of the movement and then pushes the weight down lightly and you have to try to resist the force. For example, in biceps curls, do a set until positive failure, then your partner lifts the weight up to your shoulders; he then applies some downward pressure while you attempt to keep the weight in the curled position. Be careful with these as they can cause injury - keep your form strict, only do 2-3 reps like this and only do them occasionally.
Cheat reps
Obviously, cheating should be discouraged, and try to keep perfect form on all exercises to minimise risk of injury and maximise isolation effort on the muscle. However, if you have reached failure with perfect form, cheat reps performed carefully can help you squeeze an extra few reps out and go beyond failure.
Rest-pause or extended set
I don't see many trainers using this method, but it's very simple and effective. Simply train a set to failure, put the weight down, shake off the pain, then pick the same weight up and go again, 2-3 times.
Half reps or partials
When you cannot do another full rep, do a few more with just half the movement; as this is still stimulating the muscle.
Supersets
Two or more different exercises may be performed in succession with no rest in between. This may be two exercises for the same muscle group, or 2 for antagonistic muscles (I feel the latter is not very effective, as you cannot give your all for the second muscle after training the first set to failure).
Pre-exhaust
In a workout, to maximise exertion on a muscle, try performing isolation exercises before compound movements. This will ensure that the muscle in question will be well worked from the isolation movement, so during the compound movement it will tire before other muscles, so is maximally worked. This principle is more appropriate for bodybuilders and not strength trainers.
Different ways of training beyond failure can be incorporated together in the same set. For example in bench pressing: Train to positive failure, followed by 2-3 forced reps with your training partner; put the weight down, and strip some weight off and go again with the same principle as a triple drop; after the last drop try banging out 10 half reps. Precede bench press by dumbbell flyes, so the isolation movement is first.
My philosophy is, it doesn't matter how you train as long as you are genuinely training to maximum effort, and you are training safely.
Do enough warm ups as needed but I think 1-2 should be enough. The listed workouts are for 1 set to failure. You can use different intensity techniques that are listed above. Don’t use more than 3 techniques per workout to avoid overtraining.
Day 1:
Full Squats - 15-20 reps
Dumbell Pullovers – 10-12 reps
Behind Neck Press - 10 reps
Chins - 10 reps
Dips - 12 reps
Barbell Curls - 10 reps
Shrugs - 15 reps
Stiff-Legged Deadlifts - 15 reps
Day Two
Deadlift (can use dumbbells, straight leg, Romanian or Rack) - 8-10 reps
Squat (low bar, power stance) – 6-10 reps
Leg Press or Hacks (feet low on platform and straight ahead) – 15-25 reps
Bench Press – 15 reps
Push Press – 8-10 reps
Pulldowns (close grip) – 8-12 reps
Shrug – 15-25 reps
Dumbbell Overhead Press
Hammer Curls – 8-15 reps
Triceps Pressdown – 12-15 reps
Day 3
One-repetition chin-up (30 seconds up, 30 seconds down) immediately followed by:
Biceps Curl – 8-12 reps
One-repetition dip (30 up, 30 down) immediately followed by:
Triceps extensions (barbell or dumbbell) – 8-12 reps
Leg press – 20 reps
Calf Raise – 25-30 reps
Lateral Raise with dumbbells – 12-15 reps
Shoulder Press (barbell or dumbbells) – 20 reps
Row (barbell or seated or machine) – 12-15 reps
Bench Press ( dumbbells on decline or incline bench) – 8-12 reps
At the end of every workout do:
Crunches on ball ( 4 sets to failure with 20 secs rest between sets)
Cardio:
Do 20-35 minutes of cardio on alternating days that you train
SUPPLEMENTS
BCAA
VIT-B COMPLEX
MULTI-VIT. (USE SOLORAY OR NATURES BEST BRANDS)
VIT-C
GLUTAMINE
BROMALAINE (digestive enzyme for protein)
FLAX OIL
If you do not have any MRP (meal replacement powders) make your own with protein powder, peanut butter and ground oatmeal.
OPTIONS TO PLUG INTO YOUR DIET:
Cereal
Big Bowl Favorite Cereal
Skim milk
Honey
Yogurt
Protein Shake (40-60g protein) - Separate
Fill half the bowl with cereal
Add milk until it reaches top of cereal (not too much)
Add yogurt
Fill rest of plate with cereal
Add more milk
Cover cereal with honey
Eat up, and don't be afraid to go for seconds.
Breakfast
Protein Pancakes
1 cup of Oatmeal
11 egg whites
1 whole egg
1 packet of sugar free jello
Stir together in a mixing bowl
Cook on a frying pan
(49gP, 54gC, 6gF)
Lunch
Chicken Burger
300g Chicken Breast
400g Turkish Bread
Lettuce
Tomato
Mayonnaise
Cheese
Lemon Pepper
Cook Chicken Breast
Cut Turkish Bread in half
Put Mayonnaise on Bread
After Chicken is cooked Place on bottom half of Bread
Place Cheese on top of Chicken
Add Lettuce and Tomatoes
Before closing the topside of the Bread add Lemon Pepper.
Lunch
Tuna Patties
1 can tuna
1 onion
tablespoon of salt
� teaspoon of pepper
� teaspoon of parsley
3 medium potatoes (boiled and mashed)
1 tablespoon of Butter
Mix potatoes, tuna, Onions, Slat, Pepper and Parsley.
Make into Patties
Fry in butter until brown and heated on both sides
Serve with veggies or salad
Dinner
4 whole eggs
4 egg whites
2 cups of cooked rice
Half a block of cheese/cottage cheese (melted)
Cook up, mix all together, enjoy.
Dinner
Chicken Breast
Some Chunky Tomatoes
Spicy Chili Beans
� onion (chopped)
Cut Chicken Breast into skillets
Cook Chicken Breast and Onions
Stir in Tomatoes and Chili Beans
Cook uncovered for a further 10 minutes
Serve and sprinkle with Low Fat Cheese
After Workout
Shake
500ml of milk
2 eggs
200g low fat yogurt
1-cup oats
2 tablespoons of peanut butter
3 tablespoons of honey
2 bananas
1 teaspoon of flaxseed oil
2 serves of protein powder (40g)
Everything you need plus more.
After Workout
Shake
2 scoops of you protein powder
3 tablespoons of cottage cheese
1 serve of low fat yogurt
For a change to your usual shake
Before Bed
Protein powder shake
Protein powder (40g Protein all up)
Ice Cream
Either blend all together into a thick shake or have the ice-cream separate.
Snack
Tuna Cheese
1 can of tuna
1 serve of cottage cheese
Mix together and eat
Provides an easy way to get the tuna down and doesn't taste to bad either
Bodybuilders and strength athletes are always saying you have to train past failure to make good strength and size gains. What do they mean? There are a number of different ways of going beyond the pain barrier in order to work a muscle as much as possible, all of which take dedication and enthusiastic training, with the absolute want to make gains. The aim of a workout is to stimulate as many muscle fibres in the muscle as possible, and to do this the muscle must be trained to complete exhaustion.
Some of us think we train hard. I used to think so, but looking back that was only at a level of about 80% of how hard I train now. Even if your diet is perfect, and you take quality anabolic aids, you will not grow if you don't give it 100% in the gym. And 100% means 100%, i.e. until you physically (not psychologically) cannot do anymore.
Some bodybuilders claim they train better without a partner, but most find they need one, not only for encouragement, but to give assistance in order to do a few more reps after reaching failure on a weight.
Ways of training beyond failure are discussed below, many of which require assistance from a training partner:
Forced reps
Train to failure, then get a spot to assist you in lifting a few more reps out, but keep your form strict.
Drop sets or stripdowns
This is where you train to failure with a weight, then immediately use a lighter weight. Typically triple-drops are used, but there's no reason not to go all out sometimes and drop until hardly any weight is being lifted, going to failure on each weight.
Negative reps
Positive failure is where it is no longer possible to lift the weight. This is reached before negative failure, which is where it is no longer possible to control the negative movement of the weight. Here, after you have reached positive failure, your training partner will lift the weight, and you have to control it on the way down for a few reps.
Negative resistance reps
This is where, after positive failure, your training partner lifts the positive part of the movement and then pushes the weight down lightly and you have to try to resist the force. For example, in biceps curls, do a set until positive failure, then your partner lifts the weight up to your shoulders; he then applies some downward pressure while you attempt to keep the weight in the curled position. Be careful with these as they can cause injury - keep your form strict, only do 2-3 reps like this and only do them occasionally.
Cheat reps
Obviously, cheating should be discouraged, and try to keep perfect form on all exercises to minimise risk of injury and maximise isolation effort on the muscle. However, if you have reached failure with perfect form, cheat reps performed carefully can help you squeeze an extra few reps out and go beyond failure.
Rest-pause or extended set
I don't see many trainers using this method, but it's very simple and effective. Simply train a set to failure, put the weight down, shake off the pain, then pick the same weight up and go again, 2-3 times.
Half reps or partials
When you cannot do another full rep, do a few more with just half the movement; as this is still stimulating the muscle.
Supersets
Two or more different exercises may be performed in succession with no rest in between. This may be two exercises for the same muscle group, or 2 for antagonistic muscles (I feel the latter is not very effective, as you cannot give your all for the second muscle after training the first set to failure).
Pre-exhaust
In a workout, to maximise exertion on a muscle, try performing isolation exercises before compound movements. This will ensure that the muscle in question will be well worked from the isolation movement, so during the compound movement it will tire before other muscles, so is maximally worked. This principle is more appropriate for bodybuilders and not strength trainers.
Different ways of training beyond failure can be incorporated together in the same set. For example in bench pressing: Train to positive failure, followed by 2-3 forced reps with your training partner; put the weight down, and strip some weight off and go again with the same principle as a triple drop; after the last drop try banging out 10 half reps. Precede bench press by dumbbell flyes, so the isolation movement is first.
My philosophy is, it doesn't matter how you train as long as you are genuinely training to maximum effort, and you are training safely.
Do enough warm ups as needed but I think 1-2 should be enough. The listed workouts are for 1 set to failure. You can use different intensity techniques that are listed above. Don’t use more than 3 techniques per workout to avoid overtraining.
Day 1:
Full Squats - 15-20 reps
Dumbell Pullovers – 10-12 reps
Behind Neck Press - 10 reps
Chins - 10 reps
Dips - 12 reps
Barbell Curls - 10 reps
Shrugs - 15 reps
Stiff-Legged Deadlifts - 15 reps
Day Two
Deadlift (can use dumbbells, straight leg, Romanian or Rack) - 8-10 reps
Squat (low bar, power stance) – 6-10 reps
Leg Press or Hacks (feet low on platform and straight ahead) – 15-25 reps
Bench Press – 15 reps
Push Press – 8-10 reps
Pulldowns (close grip) – 8-12 reps
Shrug – 15-25 reps
Dumbbell Overhead Press
Hammer Curls – 8-15 reps
Triceps Pressdown – 12-15 reps
Day 3
One-repetition chin-up (30 seconds up, 30 seconds down) immediately followed by:
Biceps Curl – 8-12 reps
One-repetition dip (30 up, 30 down) immediately followed by:
Triceps extensions (barbell or dumbbell) – 8-12 reps
Leg press – 20 reps
Calf Raise – 25-30 reps
Lateral Raise with dumbbells – 12-15 reps
Shoulder Press (barbell or dumbbells) – 20 reps
Row (barbell or seated or machine) – 12-15 reps
Bench Press ( dumbbells on decline or incline bench) – 8-12 reps
At the end of every workout do:
Crunches on ball ( 4 sets to failure with 20 secs rest between sets)
Cardio:
Do 20-35 minutes of cardio on alternating days that you train
SUPPLEMENTS
BCAA
VIT-B COMPLEX
MULTI-VIT. (USE SOLORAY OR NATURES BEST BRANDS)
VIT-C
GLUTAMINE
BROMALAINE (digestive enzyme for protein)
FLAX OIL
If you do not have any MRP (meal replacement powders) make your own with protein powder, peanut butter and ground oatmeal.
OPTIONS TO PLUG INTO YOUR DIET:
Cereal
Big Bowl Favorite Cereal
Skim milk
Honey
Yogurt
Protein Shake (40-60g protein) - Separate
Fill half the bowl with cereal
Add milk until it reaches top of cereal (not too much)
Add yogurt
Fill rest of plate with cereal
Add more milk
Cover cereal with honey
Eat up, and don't be afraid to go for seconds.
Breakfast
Protein Pancakes
1 cup of Oatmeal
11 egg whites
1 whole egg
1 packet of sugar free jello
Stir together in a mixing bowl
Cook on a frying pan
(49gP, 54gC, 6gF)
Lunch
Chicken Burger
300g Chicken Breast
400g Turkish Bread
Lettuce
Tomato
Mayonnaise
Cheese
Lemon Pepper
Cook Chicken Breast
Cut Turkish Bread in half
Put Mayonnaise on Bread
After Chicken is cooked Place on bottom half of Bread
Place Cheese on top of Chicken
Add Lettuce and Tomatoes
Before closing the topside of the Bread add Lemon Pepper.
Lunch
Tuna Patties
1 can tuna
1 onion
tablespoon of salt
� teaspoon of pepper
� teaspoon of parsley
3 medium potatoes (boiled and mashed)
1 tablespoon of Butter
Mix potatoes, tuna, Onions, Slat, Pepper and Parsley.
Make into Patties
Fry in butter until brown and heated on both sides
Serve with veggies or salad
Dinner
4 whole eggs
4 egg whites
2 cups of cooked rice
Half a block of cheese/cottage cheese (melted)
Cook up, mix all together, enjoy.
Dinner
Chicken Breast
Some Chunky Tomatoes
Spicy Chili Beans
� onion (chopped)
Cut Chicken Breast into skillets
Cook Chicken Breast and Onions
Stir in Tomatoes and Chili Beans
Cook uncovered for a further 10 minutes
Serve and sprinkle with Low Fat Cheese
After Workout
Shake
500ml of milk
2 eggs
200g low fat yogurt
1-cup oats
2 tablespoons of peanut butter
3 tablespoons of honey
2 bananas
1 teaspoon of flaxseed oil
2 serves of protein powder (40g)
Everything you need plus more.
After Workout
Shake
2 scoops of you protein powder
3 tablespoons of cottage cheese
1 serve of low fat yogurt
For a change to your usual shake
Before Bed
Protein powder shake
Protein powder (40g Protein all up)
Ice Cream
Either blend all together into a thick shake or have the ice-cream separate.
Snack
Tuna Cheese
1 can of tuna
1 serve of cottage cheese
Mix together and eat
Provides an easy way to get the tuna down and doesn't taste to bad either
You need to share more about your age, weight, activity levels. And search a bit as well. LOTS of great threads so take some time to read up.
its more complicated than that. look into pct. there are 1,000;s of threads here. you shouldnt do any supplements if you really are uncertain what to expect.
chucktown04
New member
Future is right. What he has posted above is a GREAT place to start but unfortunately is only the tip of the iceburg. You ask a very very broad and in depth question. If you are new to weight training you need to work on building a base for your workouts and diet regimen before worrying about bulking and cutting. You build a base for training by focusing on compound exercises (shoulder press, bench press, squats, rows, etc.) 4-5 times a week and cardio at least two in order to build your cardiovascular system for your new muscles! You should also try to start consuming protein shakes before and after your workouts and maybe purchase some creatine and glutamine supplements to take with your shakes (both are very effective and cheap supplements and they don't have to be name brand).
Also, list some stats: Age, weight, height, and goals and I will try to offer more helpful information
Also, list some stats: Age, weight, height, and goals and I will try to offer more helpful information
chucktown04
New member
What's your height, I just saw you had everything else listed above? Also, I wouldn't worry about getting a ph if you just started weight training you will see great results in your first three months with proper diet and exercise. There is no magic pill. IMO PCT for ph is a waste of money. Researching ph right now would be a waste of your time you should be focused on learning more about training and diet
pct for pro-hormones is a waste? im confused, natural test production and the hpta are compromised by ph's, why would no pct be necessary? i strongly disagree with your opinion about pct and feel its borderline bad advice. any compromising to natural test production requires a pct.
chucktown04
New member
Just to be clear ph (pro-hormones) are the pills you get over the counter at gnc right? I have really never seen results from any ph when I have taken them so generally you are throwing you money away with them. If they aren't actually raising your test leves nor inducing any hpta response why would pct be necessary. Everyone's body is different so maybe its just me and others have seen better results and need pct but does someone really need to go out and buy clomid and hcg for some OTC stuff?
for real prohormones, yes you would need a pct. not hcg but nolva and/or clomid. real prohormones are steroids, just dirty and have a ton of sides. alot arent classified yet as drugs, but will be.
chucktown04
New member
yes i agree if they are real...and a lot of the stuff they used to sell otc were pretty strong but i don't know about that anymore. are you talking about stuff you have to get illegally then yes pct is a good idea like it is for real steroids
no, they arent illegal. they just arent scheduled yet.
