Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I'm about to switch to Deca after being on test for 8 weeks but I'm taking finasteride. I'm gonna have to stop the finasteride obviously but I need to know when is okay to put that to a halt. Last shot was 4 days ago. I got a quote from an old thread that it's okay to stop the same day you stop the test but I'm not sure about this info. Anyone ever stoped finasteride like this before?
Need some help from Finasteride experts.
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Here you go, it's a good long read:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-13212.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-13212.html
LoneTree said:
Opinions are just that - opinions, not evidence.Prince77 said:
My last cycle included Deca and I used Proscar.
I am starting my next cycle in two weeks with Deca and Proscar (finasteride 5 mg).
Read prescribing informations for Proscar. Once again, it is active only in scalp, skin and prostate.
It's active in the scalp..that's the problem. Deca and Proscar both being active in the scalp is supposed to be horrible for your hair. I figured it would not be active that long in the body, but you are supposed to start it a month prior to starting test, so I can't figure this one out.
LoneTree said:
Do you want 'help' or you want to start a debating society?Watson said:
The only reason I am writing this post is so that others don't get mislead by you.
They are both active in scalp. The difference is that Deca is an androgen and Proscar is an 'anti-androgen'. See the difference?
Anyone who is reading this thread:
I used Deca alone, horrible hair loss.
I used Deca higher dose (and Tren and EQ) with Proscar, NO HAIR LOSS.
The only reason your replying? Stay the fuck off my thread then Bitch. Your the fucking one misleading people. It's been known on this board for years to not use Deca and finasteride together. In fact your the ONLY one that has said it is okay. Did you not read the thread in the link I posted? I don't want a fucking debate, I want to know how to do this properly. If your gonna get a fucking attitude and act like you know everything but the info I'm looking for then keep your fucking comments to yourself. I hate motherfuckers like you who get 1000 posts in 6 months and all of a sudden think your a genius. Just because your hair fell out on deca doesn't mean it's the norm. I didn't start this thread to have you try to debunk everything I already know. It was a simple damn question.
LoneTree said:
Whatever happened to the days when there were posts like this one on here? Anyway, fucking genius, read up on some of these before you go accusing people of spreading bullshit. This is a cut and paste that has a reply from the doctor about Nandrolone and finasteride. The link will take you to the whole thread.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-39114.html
decem19-Sep-2001, 06:59 AM
i just wanted to come back and update this thread a little..
i'm gonna cut and paste from another one of my thread's entitled Winny Hairloss Mechanisms + Finasteride after Deca (http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=53231)
here goes:
Winny Hairloss Mechanisms + Finasteride after Deca
I have two hairloss questions that I haven't seen answers to yet... and I'm hoping to get some light shed on them.
1. WINNY - doesn't react with the 5-alphareductase enzyme (specificly 5AR II that is located in the scalp and the prostate) that converts testosterone and its derivitives to dihydrotestosterone (DHT - which is hard as hell on the scalp). right? ok... so if it's not turning into DHT, then how does Winny, purportedly one of the worst on the hairline second to halo/methyltest/test, have such an adverse effect on the hairline? what's the science behind it?
2. DECA - can't be used with finasteride because finasteride will block it's conversion from nandrolone to DHN.. DHN being easy on the scalp.. Nandrolone being harsh on the scalp.. so if it stays in its original form of nandrolone.. you're mr. clean in a few days. How long after taking Deca can one safely use finasteride to regrow the hair they lost while on a cycle which contained deca causing them to forgo the proper precautonary measures DURING the cycle. Obviously dosages would be a consideration here.. so let's take into account three different dosages of say 300mg, 500mg, and 800mg weekly for 10 weeks.
i'm hoping stew meat will respond to this.. as well as any of our resident chemists, and to make sure.. i will drop a few of them some pm's to request such attention to my thread. thanks ahead of time guys.
Originally posted by Andy13
That is true about nandrolone --> DHN. DHN is not nearly as hard on the scalp as nandrolone, so blocking it would not be advisable.
Winstrol is said to bind the AR's on the scalp and cause hair loss just as DHT would.
If you used deca at only 400mg/week for 10 weeks, after the last injection, about 1075mg of esterified nandrolone will be in your system.
Four weeks after the last shot, around 170mg of esterified nandrolone will remain in the system. And after 6 weeks, about 65mg of ester will still be in your system.. Incedentally, that is why recovery is so difficult when using deca; it leaves the body at such a low rate.
Based on this, I would wait AT LEAST 6 weeks before using any reductase blockers.
Andy
Originally posted by decem
well.. i asked the original doctor about nandrolone and hairloss, but since he couldn't give me and informed information on the subject, he referred me to will brink ( a columnist, contributing consultant, and writer for various health/fitness, medical, and bodybuilding publications. His articles relating to nutrition, supplements, weight loss, exercise and medicine can be found in leading health and fitness magazines. He is an expert in body building supplements and drugs and can advise on how they affect hair loss) at hairlosshelp.com.
here's my question and his response:
I asked: "Dear Mr. Brink: I am currently taking the steroid nandrolone decanoate, commonly known as "deca." From what i understand, Deca can not be used with finasteride because finasteride will block its conversion from nandrolone to DHN.. DHN being easy on the scalp.. Nandrolone being quite harsh on the scalp, even moreso than DHT. The supposed end result of taking deca and finasteride concurrently is that the nandrolone remains in it's normal form and causes hairloss at a rapid rate. Is there truth to this popular myth?"
Will Brink answered: "That's the theory yes. It's not a myth per se, it just has not been tested in vivo. If I were worried about my hair, I would not use nandrolone and proscar together. www.BrinkZone.com"
there it is folks.. don't use finasteride with deca if you like your curly locks. i know i won't.
Originally posted by decem
well, upon realizing that i forgot to ask one important question.. i returned to that page and asked mr brink the following question:
Mr. Brink.. I would like to ask a question that is similar to the last question regarding finasteride and nandrolone, as I also take Nandrolone. Would it be safe to use tropical remedies such as minoxidil, xandrox, azelaic acid, or topical spirolactone in conjunction with nandrolone? Iit's my understanding that these topical remedies work by either reducing dht levels in the scalp or by blocking the conversion of androgen's to dht in the scalp. If nandrolone's conversion to dhn does not occur in the scalp, would treatment with such medications revert the conversion from nandrolone to dhn in the scalp in some way? Or would there be a systemic effect that would indeed end up blocking the conversion of nandrolone to dhn everywhere in the body?
Thank you.
Will Brink answered: "The short answer is yes, you can use those treatments. www.BrinkZone.com"
i also forwarded all of these replies to Dr. Lee and asked him what would be the best topical treatment to use while taking nandrolone to prevent the possibility of side effects from the whole nandrolone thing as well as to protect against hairloss..
he said to use the topical spirolactone...
i bought some.... it was $20 for the consultation and $20 for the stuff.. from www.minoxidil.com
Originally posted by Stew Meat
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-39114.html
decem19-Sep-2001, 06:59 AM
i just wanted to come back and update this thread a little..
i'm gonna cut and paste from another one of my thread's entitled Winny Hairloss Mechanisms + Finasteride after Deca (http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=53231)
here goes:
Winny Hairloss Mechanisms + Finasteride after Deca
I have two hairloss questions that I haven't seen answers to yet... and I'm hoping to get some light shed on them.
1. WINNY - doesn't react with the 5-alphareductase enzyme (specificly 5AR II that is located in the scalp and the prostate) that converts testosterone and its derivitives to dihydrotestosterone (DHT - which is hard as hell on the scalp). right? ok... so if it's not turning into DHT, then how does Winny, purportedly one of the worst on the hairline second to halo/methyltest/test, have such an adverse effect on the hairline? what's the science behind it?
2. DECA - can't be used with finasteride because finasteride will block it's conversion from nandrolone to DHN.. DHN being easy on the scalp.. Nandrolone being harsh on the scalp.. so if it stays in its original form of nandrolone.. you're mr. clean in a few days. How long after taking Deca can one safely use finasteride to regrow the hair they lost while on a cycle which contained deca causing them to forgo the proper precautonary measures DURING the cycle. Obviously dosages would be a consideration here.. so let's take into account three different dosages of say 300mg, 500mg, and 800mg weekly for 10 weeks.
i'm hoping stew meat will respond to this.. as well as any of our resident chemists, and to make sure.. i will drop a few of them some pm's to request such attention to my thread. thanks ahead of time guys.
Originally posted by Andy13
That is true about nandrolone --> DHN. DHN is not nearly as hard on the scalp as nandrolone, so blocking it would not be advisable.
Winstrol is said to bind the AR's on the scalp and cause hair loss just as DHT would.
If you used deca at only 400mg/week for 10 weeks, after the last injection, about 1075mg of esterified nandrolone will be in your system.
Four weeks after the last shot, around 170mg of esterified nandrolone will remain in the system. And after 6 weeks, about 65mg of ester will still be in your system.. Incedentally, that is why recovery is so difficult when using deca; it leaves the body at such a low rate.
Based on this, I would wait AT LEAST 6 weeks before using any reductase blockers.
Andy
Originally posted by decem
well.. i asked the original doctor about nandrolone and hairloss, but since he couldn't give me and informed information on the subject, he referred me to will brink ( a columnist, contributing consultant, and writer for various health/fitness, medical, and bodybuilding publications. His articles relating to nutrition, supplements, weight loss, exercise and medicine can be found in leading health and fitness magazines. He is an expert in body building supplements and drugs and can advise on how they affect hair loss) at hairlosshelp.com.
here's my question and his response:
I asked: "Dear Mr. Brink: I am currently taking the steroid nandrolone decanoate, commonly known as "deca." From what i understand, Deca can not be used with finasteride because finasteride will block its conversion from nandrolone to DHN.. DHN being easy on the scalp.. Nandrolone being quite harsh on the scalp, even moreso than DHT. The supposed end result of taking deca and finasteride concurrently is that the nandrolone remains in it's normal form and causes hairloss at a rapid rate. Is there truth to this popular myth?"
Will Brink answered: "That's the theory yes. It's not a myth per se, it just has not been tested in vivo. If I were worried about my hair, I would not use nandrolone and proscar together. www.BrinkZone.com"
there it is folks.. don't use finasteride with deca if you like your curly locks. i know i won't.
Originally posted by decem
well, upon realizing that i forgot to ask one important question.. i returned to that page and asked mr brink the following question:
Mr. Brink.. I would like to ask a question that is similar to the last question regarding finasteride and nandrolone, as I also take Nandrolone. Would it be safe to use tropical remedies such as minoxidil, xandrox, azelaic acid, or topical spirolactone in conjunction with nandrolone? Iit's my understanding that these topical remedies work by either reducing dht levels in the scalp or by blocking the conversion of androgen's to dht in the scalp. If nandrolone's conversion to dhn does not occur in the scalp, would treatment with such medications revert the conversion from nandrolone to dhn in the scalp in some way? Or would there be a systemic effect that would indeed end up blocking the conversion of nandrolone to dhn everywhere in the body?
Thank you.
Will Brink answered: "The short answer is yes, you can use those treatments. www.BrinkZone.com"
i also forwarded all of these replies to Dr. Lee and asked him what would be the best topical treatment to use while taking nandrolone to prevent the possibility of side effects from the whole nandrolone thing as well as to protect against hairloss..
he said to use the topical spirolactone...
i bought some.... it was $20 for the consultation and $20 for the stuff.. from www.minoxidil.com
Originally posted by Stew Meat
Above will hold true if Nandrolone is converted to DHN by type II 5a-reductase.
In the absence of above information, only personal experience will count.
I used deca 200/week, and had horrible hair loss - starting about 6- 7 weeks after I started, and continued for several weeks after I stopped Deca.
Next cycle: Deca 300+Tren250+Eq200. No detectable hair loss with 13 weeks of Deca.
I am planning to start Deca 600 in two weeks and will use Proscar with it.
Hair are more important to me than muscle.
If someone has PERSONAL EXPERIENCE different than mine, I would welcome the information.
In the absence of above information, only personal experience will count.
I used deca 200/week, and had horrible hair loss - starting about 6- 7 weeks after I started, and continued for several weeks after I stopped Deca.
Next cycle: Deca 300+Tren250+Eq200. No detectable hair loss with 13 weeks of Deca.
I am planning to start Deca 600 in two weeks and will use Proscar with it.
Hair are more important to me than muscle.
If someone has PERSONAL EXPERIENCE different than mine, I would welcome the information.
I never read this post before so this is what I have to say:Watson said:
Your brain is in your ass, full of shit. That is why you are having this oral diarrhea.
Probably you are putting too much AAS in your ass and it is directly going to your brain because your brain is in your ass.
Yes, I know enough. I did all the research about various receptors before I started Proscar. I didn't want to take anything that will interfere with my results or hair. I already have two hair transplants.
By the way, medical profession still doesn't know which type of 5-a reductase (type 1 or 2) is found in the muscle. I could find only one study which is still on going.
I can get both test patch and Proscar for free, and not through insurance. LOL.
