Need help with passing guard...

[Judo Tom]

lol and Kane's proposal!

sounds like they are doing just bjj? if not punching definately changes things when it comes to the guard game IMO

as far as controlling the head YES it is critical so she cant try to regain her posture or balance

and again dont worry about not knowing enough techniques at this point. just have fun and get used to the positions and what is happening.

i often have the new kids work w/ me just to reward them a bit for training hard. a lot of times they dont know what to do or whats going on and i just tell them to relax, have fun and try whatever pops in there heads at first.. imo its better then waiting a month or two to do any fighting so long as safety is taken care of

 

[Dieselgoku23]

you cant slam at your school??? WTF that kinda reminds me when I took a Judo course in an University it was so gay, I was slamming a lot of black belts the first day and then later they say no slamming only y competition, shit sucked.

 

[skittles]

the only dumb thing is the instructor having you try to create moves because he hasn't taught you them...
is the BJJ class straight BJJ or is it for a mixed class
passing guard is a lot easier if your permitted to strike them in the face while you do so

It's straight BJJ

The class is so mixed, we have total newbies & every level up. Everyone has the same class, so the advanced people train with the advanced people (including the instuctor) etc. Every half an hour or so they show the newer people a new technique (just never anything to pass guard, get on your partners back). Everyone fights the last hour of class (but last week was the first week they let me).

Yeah, it sucks not knowing wtf I'm doing. I ordered a few tapes (I hope that helps!)

I wish I could strike in the face. My partner elbowed me in the mouth & my teeth went through my lip (accident). I wish I would have been allowed to pound her face in ...lol.

 

[skittles]

you slam? I love you marry me
is your instructor actually doing any instructing cus he also skipped telling you not to slam people...
what does he actually do just watch you wrestle?

LOL...only if I can slam you

I'm allowed to pick her up (just not slam her). Kind of takes the fun away!

 

[Yarg!]

one elbow in each theigh and press downwards. To get the back from gaurd you will need to learn sweeps or get lucky cant really explain it.

Lol thats the cheapest move , but it works. Its kinda frowned upon in tourneys and class sometimes because it required like no skill to do: all you do is cramp them out. A very basic guard pass is to hold on to their belt and press down or press down on their waist and explode on to your knees sort of liek a prayer position to get a solid base. Now start 'walking' back as in shifting your knees back , moving back along the ground, at the same time apply pressure on their waste so they can't move. If their legs do not open, which is usually the case, then you raise one leg to the side like you're kneeling, grab your ankle thru your opponent's leg and straighten your leg out, and it opens them up. This is very risky because if you do not hold the other person steady, they can easily apply a triangle or arm bar at this point. Now that the legs are opened, push one leg towards their face with your shoulder , as in bulldoze it while keeping the other leg pinned down. That is called stacking. When you push far enough where their leg is almost stretched, move to the side, and place one hand under their neck and hug them close. That is side mount. That is also extremely difficult to describe lol. Another type of pass is to pin their biceps to the ground as you stand up. And make sure you explode up and keep atleast one bicep pinned down OR you can keep their shoulders/outer chest down. At the same time keep your hands close to your body, that means do not isolate them out infront of you as you push because they can arm bar or triangle you if you leave your arms out there. Then dig your forearm/ elbow into their inner thigh near their knee joint (any thigh you chose) and push down, thus breaking the guard, stack them and move to side. If you do not have their biceps pinned, they can pull on your ankles as you stand and push you back with their guarded legs, thus making you fall over- its a very common sweep.

Not a guard pass, but it is something useful and kind of tricky: but its really, really effective. If someone has their forearm across your neck and is (while they are inside YOUR guard )applying pressure, you can grab on their tricep, and one hand on their Gi cuff and pull with that hand. At the same time push with the hand that is placed on the back of their tricep (arm) and also thrust your hips into their air and push him in the same direction you are pulling with your Gi cuff hand. This places the opponent on their side in your guard, which is great because you can just swing over and get their back and setup a rear naked choke.

 

[skittles]

Thank-you!

I have lot's of stuff to try tonight

Thanks guys.

 

[Judo Tom]

slamming takes no skill and isnt the most practical thing anyway. if slamming is legal people would not hold closed guard when you try to pick them up. there isnt much point in practicing slamming someone from guard IMO

striking def. changes things up but if your in a bjj class you have to understand that you are primarily focusing on your ground grappling technique not ground and pound type stuff. the people there should be really good at helping you and teaching you these type of techniques and it doesnt matter as much how good there striking is on the ground to get you going.

yarg: people really consider that move 'dirty' ? we teach that and some variations off that as the first guard pass to most people.

when people do that to me i just try to sit my uppper body up and 'snatch' one of there arms elbows off my legs and pull it across my body. you can also just switch to an open guard game which i use a lot in practice

 

[bloodinbloodout]

for some reason this thread turned me on

 

[Kane Fan]

LOL...only if I can slam you

I'm allowed to pick her up (just not slam her). Kind of takes the fun away!

I'd love to have you slam me
but I'm way too big I think
do you get points for picking her up since there would be a slam following in competition?

also I think it sucks that your paying for a class AND you have to order tapes....are there other schools in your area
and how is your MThai going?

 

[Kane Fan]

Lol thats the cheapest move , but it works. Its kinda frowned upon in tourneys and class sometimes because it required like no skill to do: all you do is cramp them out. A very basic guard pass is to hold on to their belt and press down or press down on their waist and explode on to your knees sort of liek a prayer position to get a solid base. Now start 'walking' back as in shifting your knees back , moving back along the ground, at the same time apply pressure on their waste so they can't move. If their legs do not open, which is usually the case, then you raise one leg to the side like you're kneeling, grab your ankle thru your opponent's leg and straighten your leg out, and it opens them up. This is very risky because if you do not hold the other person steady, they can easily apply a triangle or arm bar at this point. Now that the legs are opened, push one leg towards their face with your shoulder , as in bulldoze it while keeping the other leg pinned down. That is called stacking. When you push far enough where their leg is almost stretched, move to the side, and place one hand under their neck and hug them close. That is side mount. That is also extremely difficult to describe lol. Another type of pass is to pin their biceps to the ground as you stand up. And make sure you explode up and keep atleast one bicep pinned down OR you can keep their shoulders/outer chest down. At the same time keep your hands close to your body, that means do not isolate them out infront of you as you push because they can arm bar or triangle you if you leave your arms out there. Then dig your forearm/ elbow into their inner thigh near their knee joint (any thigh you chose) and push down, thus breaking the guard, stack them and move to side. If you do not have their biceps pinned, they can pull on your ankles as you stand and push you back with their guarded legs, thus making you fall over- its a very common sweep.

Not a guard pass, but it is something useful and kind of tricky: but its really, really effective. If someone has their forearm across your neck and is (while they are inside YOUR guard )applying pressure, you can grab on their tricep, and one hand on their Gi cuff and pull with that hand. At the same time push with the hand that is placed on the back of their tricep (arm) and also thrust your hips into their air and push him in the same direction you are pulling with your Gi cuff hand. This places the opponent on their side in your guard, which is great because you can just swing over and get their back and setup a rear naked choke.

that's cool
I've done it the other way to do a side choke but I think using that as a sweep would probubly kickass to
especially since I have noticed some difficulty maintaining that choke from bottom anyway