Need help with Dbol stack

[smokum73]

I'm 25 years old, 5'10" 195 lbs. and have been lifting seriously for the past 7 years. I am about to start another bulking phase, but with the aid of AAS. Since this is my first cycle I would like to get some advice on what would be a good quality bulk cycle to start with. I know that I want dbol to jumpstart it weeks 1-4, but I'm interested in what some recommended dosages would be as well as what to stack it with. I'm leaning towards a test/dbol combo right now, but need some help with the specifics. such as using a test blend or not, how much to use, and for how long. I'd appreciate any help.

 

[hardrock]

My first I ran 20 mg/day for 4 weeks. 5 mg every 5 hours or so, unless you wanna get up in the middle of the night.

 

[Nucman]

20-30mg D-bol ed x4-6wks
400 to 500 mg test eth or cyp ew x8 to 10 wks
I like to finish up with a short acting ester or oral so you can start pct asap, so:

20-30mg D-bol ed wks 1-4
400 to 500 mg test eth or cyp ew wks 1-10
20-30 mg D-bol ed wks 8 - 12

eat, sleep, ...

 

[chaquito]

deca, boldenon, primo depot är more anabolic then androgenic, so i think those are your best bets with dianabol.

C

 

[Goodfellow]

You best bet would be to go with a small dose of Test Enanathate, say anywhere from 250-500mg per wk. Include the dboll the first 4 weeks at 25-40mg per day.



Karma is always welcome!

 

[smokum73]

I appreciate the replies. The test enanthate is readily available for me and I've researched it a lot so I'm leaning towards a dbol/test enanthate stack with the dbol weeks 1-4 and the test 1-8. Any recommendations for pct for this cycle? thanks again.

 

[BionicBC]

I appreciate the replies. The test enanthate is readily available for me and I've researched it a lot so I'm leaning towards a dbol/test enanthate stack with the dbol weeks 1-4 and the test 1-8. Any recommendations for pct for this cycle? thanks again.

Definately some nolva ed @ 20 to 30mgs... IF youre running higher doses of either, i suggest arimidex too at .25mg ed.
Also, ive found bettter results off dbol if you take youre whole dose 1 time earlier in the day, or at least no mmore than 2 divided doses.
Bionic

 

[smokum73]

Should I take some nolva throughout the cycle or just wait until gyno symptoms occur?

 

[help4john]

Many vets will argue that everyone's first cycle should be test only....and I do agree. You will notice significant gains on a 500mg EW Enanthate 10 week pyramid. When DBOL is added to the mix and sides occur....you will not know which one caused the side. Are you prone to bloat and water retention....we don't know yet. Yes, enanthate is a long acting ester and slow to take effect hence slow on the sides ..... but this is your first go. IMHO it is better to play it safe than sorry.

Check out drjmw's thread on the PCT forum. It outlines exactly what to do for PCT.

Good luck and welcome to the board!

 

[smokum73]

Many vets will argue that everyone's first cycle should be test only....and I do agree. You will notice significant gains on a 500mg EW Enanthate 10 week pyramid. When DBOL is added to the mix and sides occur....you will not know which one caused the side. Are you prone to bloat and water retention....we don't know yet. Yes, enanthate is a long acting ester and slow to take effect hence slow on the sides ..... but this is your first go. IMHO it is better to play it safe than sorry.

Check out drjmw's thread on the PCT forum. It outlines exactly what to do for PCT.

Good luck and welcome to the board!

Thanks for the helpful insight. The thread on PCT answered it all.

 

[got2getripped]

People I know say that taking Nolvadex during your cycle will wreck the cycle you are on I personnally havn't took any during a cycle yet. Arimidex is the way to go from what I have heard and read, too bad it costs buku bucks.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Definately some nolva ed @ 20 to 30mgs... IF youre running higher doses of either, i suggest arimidex too at .25mg ed.
Also, ive found bettter results off dbol if you take youre whole dose 1 time earlier in the day, or at least no mmore than 2 divided doses.
Bionic

i totally agree with this guy...listen up

 

[hammertime30]

People I know say that taking Nolvadex during your cycle will wreck the cycle you are on I personnally havn't took any during a cycle yet. Arimidex is the way to go from what I have heard and read, too bad it costs buku bucks.

The problem with that theory is that those guys are looking at total weight gain vs muscle....yes nolva with hinder total weight gain, the same as arimidex (actually arimidex hinder gains more), however you're talking about water weight....nolva does not stop actual muscle tissue from building so there shouldn't be a concern about the total weight gain being that you're going to lose it anyway once the cycle ends.....we tend to look at the scale way too much when cycling, I personally look at my bf%, definition and actual body size increase based on how my clothes fit vs what the scale says........For example...I only gained 12lbs total on a 10 week cycle however my arms and chest grew 1.5 inches each and my bf% stayed the same which means alot more to me than what the weight scale had to say.....

 

[BionicBC]

The problem with that theory is that those guys are looking at total weight gain vs muscle....yes nolva with hinder total weight gain, the same as arimidex (actually arimidex hinder gains more), however you're talking about water weight....nolva does not stop actual muscle tissue from building so there shouldn't be a concern about the total weight gain being that you're going to lose it anyway once the cycle ends.....we tend to look at the scale way too much when cycling, I personally look at my bf%, definition and actual body size increase based on how my clothes fit vs what the scale says........For example...I only gained 12lbs total on a 10 week cycle however my arms and chest grew 1.5 inches each and my bf% stayed the same which means alot more to me than what the weight scale had to say.....

Fuckin right on-we should listen to this shit, all of us-just cause the scale isnt jumping up massive amounts, its okay. im on week 5 of my deca/test/dbol cycle. im up 7 pounds, but my quads arent even bearly fittin into my jeans, but the waist is too big, all my shirts are too small, my boxers wont even barely fit around my qualds. hell, i love that shit! But all in all my weight isnt up that much, prob. due to aimidex @ .25 ed, and nolva 25mg ed. (im prone to gyno). ALso, for progesterone sides, dostinex .5mg twice a week.
Bionic

 

[BIGJAKE]

no need for the d-bol test is all you will need on a first run i would go with some sus or eth at 500mg a week for 10 weeks.get your pct meds in line at hit it hard and heavy eat like a freak and sleep drink plenty of water and grow grow grow

 

[Jayy5921]

Gotta go with most of the bros here. First few cycles should be simple and short imo. A little test for about 8 weeks.(250mg) should do wonders for u. Save the frontloading and all that for later cycles.

 

[smokum73]

Thanks for all the info. Looks like test enth is going to be my cycle for 8 weeks. Should I use the exact PCT program outlined by drjmw's thread on the PCT board or does anyone have another recommendation?