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goldsbull

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I need some help guys. I'm 6-2 225 @ 10%bf, 26yo, and been lifting for 6 years. I've put on about 50lbs of muscle naturally but I've hit a platue. I've now decided to take my first cycle. I've researched very intensly and have it almost complete but I need some help to finish.

wks 1-10 deca @ 400mg/wk
wks 1-10 Sustanon @ 500mg/wk
wks 1-10 Anavar @ 40-80mg/ed

I will use hcg and clomid at end of cycle with nolv/proviron being used during this time as anti-estrogen. I will start clen with clomid 3 weeks after my last shot. I need to know the exact day to start hcg and at what amount. I don't want to shot hcg ed either. I'm also wondering if adding winstrol tabs @ 50mg/ed in place of anavar for 1-4 weeks would change anything or help. I would like to be 240lbs+ after muscle is kept. Thanks for the help guys.
 
I like the cycle as is and would not change a thing...Do not use HCG post cycle, It is used during cycle to avoid testicular atrophy but not post cycle...Clomid post cycle is perfect

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should I use it in the middle of my cycle or should I not use it at all? Its important to me that I keep as much muscle as possible when coming off and I don't mind spending a little extra to accomplish this. Thanks for the help!
 
I don't think you need to use hcg first cycle, its not a very heavy one so you should be fine and dandy with just clomid. Clomid is fine post cycle, and for a first cycle that looks really good :D
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You guys are great. I always respect an educated opinion. I have one more question. Is it ok to have nothing in my body for the 3 weeks until I begin clomid and clen or should I use anavar or winstrol tabs during this time? Thanks
 
I would not take anything in the three weeks before Clomid and Clen because you still will have some amount of gear in your system..I like Creatine post cycle as well as I feel it helpes keep my strength up

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I would start the clen right after your cycle. As you know clen is anti-catabolic, so it will help keep your gains until the clomid gets your natural test kickin again. Can anyone give me a reason why this would not be a good idea?

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Bulldog_10 said:
I would start the clen right after your cycle. As you know clen is anti-catabolic, so it will help keep your gains until the clomid gets your natural test kickin again. Can anyone give me a reason why this would not be a good idea?

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I think that would be a good idea and may be benificial in helping a person keep there gains..I can't think of any reason this would not work

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goldsbull said:
I need some help guys. I'm 6-2 225 @ 10%bf, 26yo, and been lifting for 6 years. I've put on about 50lbs of muscle naturally but I've hit a platue. I've now decided to take my first cycle. I've researched very intensly and have it almost complete but I need some help to finish.

wks 1-10 deca @ 400mg/wk
wks 1-10 Sustanon @ 500mg/wk
wks 1-10 Anavar @ 40-80mg/ed

I will use hcg and clomid at end of cycle with nolv/proviron being used during this time as anti-estrogen. I will start clen with clomid 3 weeks after my last shot. I need to know the exact day to start hcg and at what amount. I don't want to shot hcg ed either. I'm also wondering if adding winstrol tabs @ 50mg/ed in place of anavar for 1-4 weeks would change anything or help. I would like to be 240lbs+ after muscle is kept. Thanks for the help guys.
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First of all I'd like to say that u have a well thought out cycle!

As for hcg, use it on weeks 3,5,7, and 9 at 1500iu's per shot. U won't need any more then that even though people will tell u different. Many tests were done comparing doses of 1500iu's to ones of 5000iu's and above and there was no difference in the effect. Do a search!

As for anavar just use it to jump sart your cycle and then I would use it as a bridge to help maintain your gains!
 
Thanks Maxx Out, I really appreciate that. I've put alot of hours into researching this. If I do this, I want to do it right and get the absolute most out of it. So start clen 1st day after last shot or the start of the next week? Timing is critical so I want to be sure. What do you think about hcg weeks 8&9 @ 500iu/ed or should I go 1500iu/wk? This seems to be most peoples response when I ask them about it. Should I use nolv/proviron during hcg use and/or clomid use? If you can help me that would be very helpful.
 
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Goldsbull, drop the Anavar and add the Dbol@30mgs a day for the first 4 weeks. You'll reach your goal of 245-250 if your diet is right. If you already have the Anavar, use it for a cutting cycle or as a bridge between your next cycle. This will work!!! Trust me!!!-THE PROTOTYPE
 
I have given serious thought to dbol over the past weeks, but I really didn't want to take anything that toxic for my first cycle. The anavar I feel I will get more quality and keepable gains. I figured that if I needed more size after this cycle, I would insert dbol next time.
 
Goldsbull, that's cool! You should be able to put on some good size with the cycle you chose. Most vets will still say add the Dbol, though. Good luck!
 
Would their be any benefits to adding winny tabs in the first or last 5 weeks in place of the anavar? If so, which one should I use first?
 
cycle looks solid, except i would switch over to fast acting gear for the last 2 weeks of the cycle, that way you can start clomids right after your cycle and will recover much faster and keep more gains.
 
Isn't winny tabs fast acting? I want to use anavar for the first 5 weeks then winny for the next 5-6 weeks to combat progesterone induced gyno from deca. What do you guys think?
 
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