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bignate73
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BiggT said:
agreed. get down in the hole. having a 2x+ bodyweight squat is not the general starting point for someone who hasn't gotten any results from their workouts in the past. start from scratch learning how to squat all the way down, build your numbers up from there. screw listening to the gym coach who warns you about "bad for your knees" and such, they tend to be about 20 years behind in knowledge.
work_hard777
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BiggT said:
No i make sure i dont cut weight during wrestling, i dont believe in cutting weight to bring success. I also just dont like what is does to you if you go to far with it. Besides i dont have the most to cut.
Yeah for those squats i dont go all the way to 90 degrees with that weight. I get pretty low but yeah i go alot lighter with like two 45 lbs on each side going all the way down (90 degrees or a bit further) and it is very tough so thats where im at for that.
For football also i play running back/ fullback some defensive back. Ha yeah for fullback on varsity i was so light, i was only 128lbs but i actually did good but although i could block pretty well, it helps tons to have that added weight for momentum but that weight needs to be power and muscle, not fatty lardy crap.
I have a running workout planned, its pretty good. Its more of a form hard sprinting, im not really doing any major cardiovascular workouts at the time unless i should be and when i should do them. Im getting even faster from it too. I just am curious on where or what days to do the hard sprint workouts such as on days that i do legs, if so before or after? Or do i do them on opposite days, if so will that dramatically effect its resting my legs deserve?
Yeah im up for any hard working intense workout thats out there. I just need some good help on finding the right program that will get me huge and strong.
BiggT
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With squats, go ALL the way down, for an athlete in a sport other than powerlifting, do the full ass to the grass squat....there is no perfect program, but I have to sign off for now, I can post or PM you a sample of what might be good....but ONLY if you promise to read the sticky at the top of the training board and madcow's site....I'll quiz you.....also, do u have any idea how to clean?
Also, I dont believe in cutting weight either......good decision.
Also, I dont believe in cutting weight either......good decision.
work_hard777
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BiggT said:
Yeah ive been asked a couple of times to cut weight but i hate watching people cutting weight just so they win, i want to win because im good not because i lost weight and am beating someone lighters ass down. Besides my brother was actually really strong and he dieted like non other and saw first hand what effect it has on people.
Yeah i'll make sure i do more of those "ass to the grass squats". I'll be getting lower for now. If it means getting better i'll do it.
I know how to clean, have not done it a whole lot but it will certainly be apart of my workout along with all the other platform and olympic lifts. It will give me added power.
Thanks alot, you have been very helpfull to me. Along with all the others. Hearing helpfull stuff makes me want to pass on the helpfull information i received from this site once again. If you still have any more information about what i should do, workouts, programs, tips, just let me know so i can be the best im able to become.
work_hard777
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BiggT
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You really need to just start from scratch with full squats, it doesn't matter where you start, just add 5-10lbs each time.
Did you check out those sites? I want you to know that whatever routine I or anybody else gives you, is nothing more than a structured system for improving big lifts.
Are you tested on any lifts in particular at school? (if you're tested on something, I'll include it in whatever outline I'd give you)
Also, could you give a brief description of how you clean? (if it is a horrendous description, I won't include cleans, lol)
And, could you give a run-down of what a typical day of eating looks like for you? Don't go to a website and copy an 'ideal' diet, post how you ACTUALLY do eat on a typical day. For a kid your age, who is a multiple-sport athlete, with no obesity issues, who is extremely active, and has a physically demanding part-time job, DON'T think boiled chicken and broccoli is what you should be carrying around in Tupperware containers all day.
On a side note, I just want to add that I agree 100% on not cutting weight.....If you weigh 154, and you wrestle a 145 pounder, then the advantage is obvious, but if you go from 154 to 145 in a week (a huge % of your bodyweight, which is mostly lean) to wrestle a guy who has been 145lbs for a long time, you're the one at the disadvantage......I'd love to see coaches wise up and stop that stupid practice.
Did you check out those sites? I want you to know that whatever routine I or anybody else gives you, is nothing more than a structured system for improving big lifts.
Are you tested on any lifts in particular at school? (if you're tested on something, I'll include it in whatever outline I'd give you)
Also, could you give a brief description of how you clean? (if it is a horrendous description, I won't include cleans, lol)
And, could you give a run-down of what a typical day of eating looks like for you? Don't go to a website and copy an 'ideal' diet, post how you ACTUALLY do eat on a typical day. For a kid your age, who is a multiple-sport athlete, with no obesity issues, who is extremely active, and has a physically demanding part-time job, DON'T think boiled chicken and broccoli is what you should be carrying around in Tupperware containers all day.
On a side note, I just want to add that I agree 100% on not cutting weight.....If you weigh 154, and you wrestle a 145 pounder, then the advantage is obvious, but if you go from 154 to 145 in a week (a huge % of your bodyweight, which is mostly lean) to wrestle a guy who has been 145lbs for a long time, you're the one at the disadvantage......I'd love to see coaches wise up and stop that stupid practice.
Protobuilder
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BiggT said:
That's funny shit, right there. I don't care who you are. LoL
work_hard777
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Just to make things clear, my 380 squat i was talking about before was my score, like my max. Thats not what i actually squat every rep for every set.
Yeah today i did full squats at exactly parallel and i just did a score of 320 lbs so it was alot harder, i was feeling it alot so i'll just have to work up from there. At least im doing it right now.
For being tested i really dont for school other than for football i did. The rundown in testing we did for football were the 40 yard dash, Squat, Bench, Agiltiy, Vertical, and a 12 minute run.
For the clean i have been just starting as of lately. To get my form down i had the 45 lb bar with about 55 lbs on each side so it was about 155lb clean i was doing, i started alot lighter but once i got used to it i put alot more weight on. I did 3 sets of 5 with that weight and it was pretty tough at the end but i felt good.
/""""EATING""""\
Well it kinda varies. I'd like to be on a more planned structured food plan but nothing majorly crazy since i wont have all the time for it just something simple but effective i guess. It should be more but this is an average day i guess.
6:30 a.m.
Try to get in
1 good glass of milk
and 1 apple or 2 sandwitches
11:15 School Lunch
It was varied here but at lunch i tried to make sure i had quite a bit of food but although some say that its not the best food for what im striving for but its almost summer now so i wont be having those lunches anymore.
The lunches i had pretty much always guranteed
1 milk
1 small container of orange juice
some type of bread
Vegitables and fruit
Then some main course like chicken, casadilla, mashed patatos, that sort of stuff. Pizza is there every day but i tried to make sure i wasn't putting that crap in my body all the time.
From here i didnt pretty much eat that much if any until i got home witch is about 5:30
Then i had a decent sized meal most of the time.
I would have Russian Bear Protein and id try to get in a couple big glasses of that every day.
Yeah i could eat alot more and witch i will cause i take it looking at that list is not that much at all and it should certainly be alot more. Cuz you know how they say "to be big, you gotta eat big". So i have to be eating a lot more of good healthy food of course.
Also BiggT so you think you could help me maybe develop a solid program for me? You dont have to but it just that you kinda mentioned it i believe. Some pointers or tips like your giving me is just as good so thanks alot.
P.S. Yeah i read that website, alot of it was pretty interesting, i was confused in a little bit of it but i got some usefull info from it.
Yeah today i did full squats at exactly parallel and i just did a score of 320 lbs so it was alot harder, i was feeling it alot so i'll just have to work up from there. At least im doing it right now.
For being tested i really dont for school other than for football i did. The rundown in testing we did for football were the 40 yard dash, Squat, Bench, Agiltiy, Vertical, and a 12 minute run.
For the clean i have been just starting as of lately. To get my form down i had the 45 lb bar with about 55 lbs on each side so it was about 155lb clean i was doing, i started alot lighter but once i got used to it i put alot more weight on. I did 3 sets of 5 with that weight and it was pretty tough at the end but i felt good.
/""""EATING""""\
Well it kinda varies. I'd like to be on a more planned structured food plan but nothing majorly crazy since i wont have all the time for it just something simple but effective i guess. It should be more but this is an average day i guess.
6:30 a.m.
Try to get in
1 good glass of milk
and 1 apple or 2 sandwitches
11:15 School Lunch
It was varied here but at lunch i tried to make sure i had quite a bit of food but although some say that its not the best food for what im striving for but its almost summer now so i wont be having those lunches anymore.
The lunches i had pretty much always guranteed
1 milk
1 small container of orange juice
some type of bread
Vegitables and fruit
Then some main course like chicken, casadilla, mashed patatos, that sort of stuff. Pizza is there every day but i tried to make sure i wasn't putting that crap in my body all the time.
From here i didnt pretty much eat that much if any until i got home witch is about 5:30
Then i had a decent sized meal most of the time.
I would have Russian Bear Protein and id try to get in a couple big glasses of that every day.
Yeah i could eat alot more and witch i will cause i take it looking at that list is not that much at all and it should certainly be alot more. Cuz you know how they say "to be big, you gotta eat big". So i have to be eating a lot more of good healthy food of course.
Also BiggT so you think you could help me maybe develop a solid program for me? You dont have to but it just that you kinda mentioned it i believe. Some pointers or tips like your giving me is just as good so thanks alot.
P.S. Yeah i read that website, alot of it was pretty interesting, i was confused in a little bit of it but i got some usefull info from it.
Full squats are not exactly parallel, full squats are all the way down, hamstrings on the calves; that's why some people call them "ass to ankles" squats. You'll know the next day if you did them right. You may not have the flexibility to do full ROM yet, if so keep at it, you'll get it.
Also, natural peanut butter is great and very calorie dense. You should have it as part of your diet.
Also, natural peanut butter is great and very calorie dense. You should have it as part of your diet.
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