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work_hard777

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Ok the summer is about to come and with school being out i'll have a lot more time on my hands to workout. Im willing to do what ever it takes, i'll put in the time it will take to be as big as i can be and gain nice very stong lean body mass. Im sick of getting on a program that seems to not get me anywhere. Ive been to this website a lot for very good advice and im wondering if anyone has a very super effective workout schedule that would be very valuable to me. I'll be in the weight room for 6 days a week and willing to pay money, i just want to know that whatever workout im on is actually the right one for me and will get me where i want.

Thanks for your time
 
vin01 said:
Age
Weight
Height
BF%
Years Lifting
Current PRs
Goals
Typical routines..etc..

16 years old
136 lbs, 5'8''
11% BF
Weight lifting for 4-5 years
Current Personal Records
> Bench : Max. 170 lbs
> Sqaut : Max. 380 lbs
> Arm Curl : Max. is around 100 lbs
> not totally sure what my person records are for other lifts
Goals: I want to be as strong as i can be, im strong for my size but i want to look even better, feel better, and perform better in my physical activities. I'd like to be heavier for certain sports but still have that nice lean cut look for my body. I want to know how others become to massive and what it takes to do it and so i can be on a program that will in time leed me to the same success.
Typical Routines: I landscape in the summer (work around 2-3 days a week, maybe more if i really need the money) and am in a 3 a year sports witch include Fall- Football, Winter- Wrestling, Spring- Baseball. Currently a member at local gyms and fitness centers so i am able to get into the weight room if the school is not open at the time so im very flexible with what times i weight lift.


Yeah thats pretty much a backround check of me so if that helps you more to give me some helpfull information that would be great
 
get your diet in check bro... you gotta eat big to get big. try to eat EVERY 2 hours. all your extra money should be going into lean meats, healthy carbs (oatmeal, yams, veggies, brown rice), drink milk at night... you can eat a LOT of good food not get fat. stay away from sugar and white flour and lard... health fats are good, and a neccecity. dont waste your money on supplements except for a good quality protein powder (like isopure), and a good multivitamin (animal pack), unless you have plenty of money, in which that case, you could go all out, but remember.. whole food comes FIRST! diet is 99.99999% of the equation here :artist:
if you work out HARD and HEAVY, you will grow. :evil:
no personal trainer can tell you right away what routine will be best for you... that is somthing it will take years to perfect. my advice would be to FOCUS your entire workout for the day on one heavy compound movement (bench, squat, deadlift, clean & press) and then you can use some isolation exersises to do a little more if needed/possible. i like to do 6-10 sets of deads and squats, so the rest of my routine isnt much... but those fundamental lifts that youre going hard on will be the best thing for you. also dont overtrain.. i dont reccomend doing each body part more than once a week, except maybe calves, forearms & abs (though i seldom train abs myself.. diet takes care of that for me and i dont want them to get too big). on big muscles you can do more sets... but on small muscles like biceps and tris you will be better off doing less volume with more intensity... maybe only a few sets...
good luck bro, any more specific questions and id be glad to help you if i can. :coffee:
now go KILL THAT SHIT :chomp: :evil: :chomp: :evil:
 
I would work upper body 2 times a week and lower 2 times........ make sure they are on seperate days. The whole thing is too work out as frequently as possible with being able to recover which u probly can not do yet. stick mostly to bench, squat, box squats, deads, hypers, gms, rows, pullups, military/ shoulder press, and weighted situps. work out 1 - 1.5 hours a day with 10 - 30 min light jogging or maybe sprints. Also the first thing is eating and sleeping i would say 7 - 9 hours asleep and roughly 3500 calories for you. That should pretty much do it, and by the way thats an impressive squat for ur weight
 
Don't worry about isolation exercises, just stick with compound movements, you'll grow just as well or better. Just as everyone said, eat big to get big, make sure you get at least gram of protein per pound of body weight. (at least 136 grams a day). As for training, I don't know exactly where you are right now, but what is working for me is http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm
and i'm sure you could benefit from this. Since you're fed up with programs getting you nowhere, Read everything on that site and apply. what could you lose? Nothings better than building a good, strong base.
 
That Madcow/geocities link above is a great resource for you, and check out www.startingstrength.com Also, look at the sticky at the very top of this page.

Worry about getting good at a squat, a pull, and a press, and eat a lot.....don't micro-manage diet and worry about every little thing, just eat enough nutritiously dense foods.

Please don't take offense to this, because my purpose is to help....How deep do you squat? For athletes, I recommend the full, ass to the grass squat....check out the starting strength link for info. the reason I ask is because at your size and with your other numbers, to have a 380 squat you're either not going deep enough, or Ed Coan had an affair with your mom about 16 years ago.....but it is possible though, so don't take what I say the wrong way, but if you aren't burrying those squats, start doing so ASAP even if you have to knock some serious lbs off them for the time being.

Since you have the time, start a journal on here......What position do you play in football?
 
Illuminati said:
training will take you no where if you dont eat right.

I agree with this......however, the wrestling coach may have a different opinion, lol. Is maintaining your wrestling weight class important to you?
 
BiggT said:
Please don't take offense to this, because my purpose is to help....How deep do you squat? For athletes, I recommend the full, ass to the grass squat....check out the starting strength link for info. the reason I ask is because at your size and with your other numbers, to have a 380 squat you're either not going deep enough, or Ed Coan had an affair with your mom about 16 years ago.....but it is possible though, so don't take what I say the wrong way, but if you aren't burrying those squats, start doing so ASAP even if you have to knock some serious lbs off them for the time being.

agreed. get down in the hole. having a 2x+ bodyweight squat is not the general starting point for someone who hasn't gotten any results from their workouts in the past. start from scratch learning how to squat all the way down, build your numbers up from there. screw listening to the gym coach who warns you about "bad for your knees" and such, they tend to be about 20 years behind in knowledge.
 
BiggT said:
I agree with this......however, the wrestling coach may have a different opinion, lol. Is maintaining your wrestling weight class important to you?

No i make sure i dont cut weight during wrestling, i dont believe in cutting weight to bring success. I also just dont like what is does to you if you go to far with it. Besides i dont have the most to cut.

Yeah for those squats i dont go all the way to 90 degrees with that weight. I get pretty low but yeah i go alot lighter with like two 45 lbs on each side going all the way down (90 degrees or a bit further) and it is very tough so thats where im at for that.

For football also i play running back/ fullback some defensive back. Ha yeah for fullback on varsity i was so light, i was only 128lbs but i actually did good but although i could block pretty well, it helps tons to have that added weight for momentum but that weight needs to be power and muscle, not fatty lardy crap.

I have a running workout planned, its pretty good. Its more of a form hard sprinting, im not really doing any major cardiovascular workouts at the time unless i should be and when i should do them. Im getting even faster from it too. I just am curious on where or what days to do the hard sprint workouts such as on days that i do legs, if so before or after? Or do i do them on opposite days, if so will that dramatically effect its resting my legs deserve?

Yeah im up for any hard working intense workout thats out there. I just need some good help on finding the right program that will get me huge and strong.
 
With squats, go ALL the way down, for an athlete in a sport other than powerlifting, do the full ass to the grass squat....there is no perfect program, but I have to sign off for now, I can post or PM you a sample of what might be good....but ONLY if you promise to read the sticky at the top of the training board and madcow's site....I'll quiz you.....also, do u have any idea how to clean?

Also, I dont believe in cutting weight either......good decision.
 
BiggT said:
With squats, go ALL the way down, for an athlete in a sport other than powerlifting, do the full ass to the grass squat....there is no perfect program, but I have to sign off for now, I can post or PM you a sample of what might be good....but ONLY if you promise to read the sticky at the top of the training board and madcow's site....I'll quiz you.....also, do u have any idea how to clean?

Also, I dont believe in cutting weight either......good decision.

Yeah ive been asked a couple of times to cut weight but i hate watching people cutting weight just so they win, i want to win because im good not because i lost weight and am beating someone lighters ass down. Besides my brother was actually really strong and he dieted like non other and saw first hand what effect it has on people.

Yeah i'll make sure i do more of those "ass to the grass squats". I'll be getting lower for now. If it means getting better i'll do it.

I know how to clean, have not done it a whole lot but it will certainly be apart of my workout along with all the other platform and olympic lifts. It will give me added power.

Thanks alot, you have been very helpfull to me. Along with all the others. Hearing helpfull stuff makes me want to pass on the helpfull information i received from this site once again. If you still have any more information about what i should do, workouts, programs, tips, just let me know so i can be the best im able to become.
 
You really need to just start from scratch with full squats, it doesn't matter where you start, just add 5-10lbs each time.

Did you check out those sites? I want you to know that whatever routine I or anybody else gives you, is nothing more than a structured system for improving big lifts.

Are you tested on any lifts in particular at school? (if you're tested on something, I'll include it in whatever outline I'd give you)

Also, could you give a brief description of how you clean? (if it is a horrendous description, I won't include cleans, lol)

And, could you give a run-down of what a typical day of eating looks like for you? Don't go to a website and copy an 'ideal' diet, post how you ACTUALLY do eat on a typical day. For a kid your age, who is a multiple-sport athlete, with no obesity issues, who is extremely active, and has a physically demanding part-time job, DON'T think boiled chicken and broccoli is what you should be carrying around in Tupperware containers all day.

On a side note, I just want to add that I agree 100% on not cutting weight.....If you weigh 154, and you wrestle a 145 pounder, then the advantage is obvious, but if you go from 154 to 145 in a week (a huge % of your bodyweight, which is mostly lean) to wrestle a guy who has been 145lbs for a long time, you're the one at the disadvantage......I'd love to see coaches wise up and stop that stupid practice.
 
BiggT said:
at your size and with your other numbers, to have a 380 squat you're either not going deep enough, or Ed Coan had an affair with your mom about 16 years ago.....

That's funny shit, right there. I don't care who you are. LoL
 
Just to make things clear, my 380 squat i was talking about before was my score, like my max. Thats not what i actually squat every rep for every set.

Yeah today i did full squats at exactly parallel and i just did a score of 320 lbs so it was alot harder, i was feeling it alot so i'll just have to work up from there. At least im doing it right now.

For being tested i really dont for school other than for football i did. The rundown in testing we did for football were the 40 yard dash, Squat, Bench, Agiltiy, Vertical, and a 12 minute run.

For the clean i have been just starting as of lately. To get my form down i had the 45 lb bar with about 55 lbs on each side so it was about 155lb clean i was doing, i started alot lighter but once i got used to it i put alot more weight on. I did 3 sets of 5 with that weight and it was pretty tough at the end but i felt good.

/""""EATING""""\
Well it kinda varies. I'd like to be on a more planned structured food plan but nothing majorly crazy since i wont have all the time for it just something simple but effective i guess. It should be more but this is an average day i guess.

6:30 a.m.
Try to get in
1 good glass of milk
and 1 apple or 2 sandwitches

11:15 School Lunch
It was varied here but at lunch i tried to make sure i had quite a bit of food but although some say that its not the best food for what im striving for but its almost summer now so i wont be having those lunches anymore.

The lunches i had pretty much always guranteed
1 milk
1 small container of orange juice
some type of bread
Vegitables and fruit
Then some main course like chicken, casadilla, mashed patatos, that sort of stuff. Pizza is there every day but i tried to make sure i wasn't putting that crap in my body all the time.

From here i didnt pretty much eat that much if any until i got home witch is about 5:30
Then i had a decent sized meal most of the time.

I would have Russian Bear Protein and id try to get in a couple big glasses of that every day.

Yeah i could eat alot more and witch i will cause i take it looking at that list is not that much at all and it should certainly be alot more. Cuz you know how they say "to be big, you gotta eat big". So i have to be eating a lot more of good healthy food of course.

Also BiggT so you think you could help me maybe develop a solid program for me? You dont have to but it just that you kinda mentioned it i believe. Some pointers or tips like your giving me is just as good so thanks alot.

P.S. Yeah i read that website, alot of it was pretty interesting, i was confused in a little bit of it but i got some usefull info from it.
 
Full squats are not exactly parallel, full squats are all the way down, hamstrings on the calves; that's why some people call them "ass to ankles" squats. You'll know the next day if you did them right. You may not have the flexibility to do full ROM yet, if so keep at it, you'll get it.

Also, natural peanut butter is great and very calorie dense. You should have it as part of your diet.
 
yeah, full squats are all the way down, as low as possible, don't stop at paralell, just burry them as far as you can go.

Also, EAT breakfast. Have 3-4 whole eggs with 2 servings of oatmeal and shoot for a quart of milk. if your finances allow it, eat a double school lunch and try to get at least 2, but preferable 3-4 milks if this is possible. Before practice/workouts, a PB and J sandwich would be a good idea so you don't fall flat. Then whatever mom makes for dinner, and then either a gainer or 2 PB and J sandwiches with milk before bed.

For a routine....It would make sense to focus on the bench/squat/clean...i just hope you're cleaning right, I don't mean that as an insult, it is just that at the high school level (players and coaches) poor form on the olympic lifts and squats, and hell bench for that matter, is much more common that good form. So, please check the links and the videos for correct form.

Since you want to gain weight, instead of full body workouts, would you want to do squats and pulls one day / pressing the next, take a day off and repeat? This way you can do more back-off sets etc etc.

Something like this:

Monday:

Power Clean: warm-up, then 5 sets of 3

Back Squat: 5 sets of 5, pyramiding the weight each set, then 2 sets of 8 as backoffs

Steep decline situps: 4 sets, start holding a plate for added resistance once you can get 25 reps for all 4 sets....and do FULL range situps, not crunches.

Tuesday: Flat Bench Press: 5 sets of 5 pyramiding up, then 2 backoff sets of 8.

Barbell Row : 5 sets of 5 pyramiding up, then 2 backoff sets of 8....and READ the thread at the top of the training board on how to properly row, don't do the air-hump/glorified shrug that most people do.

Dips : 3 sets, once you get all 3 for 15 reps, add enough weight to knock them back down to 8-10 and repeat.

Take Wednesday off

Thursday: Back Squat: 5 sets of 5 pyramiding and on the last set try to add 5 lbs to Monday's last set weight, then Mon try to add 5 lbs to this weight, and so on and so forth....then do one backoff set of 12 with the weight you used for Mon's 2x8. Let me know when this stalls, no more paralell squatting, BURRY them all the way down, if you do that, you'll be able to progress like this for a very long time before needing a tweak.

Deadlift: 5-5-5-3-3-3, add weight every set, no backoff sets here.

Decline situps: same deal as Mon


Friday: Bench Press: do 5 sets of 5 with a set weight, it will be a lot less than your last set of 5 on Monday because you are doing all 5 sets with this. do one backoff set of 12-20.

Push Press: 5 sets of 3, add weight each set, then 1 backoff set of 8 strict presses.

Chins: do 4 sets of as many reps as you can get

at the end of this workout, feel free to do one exercise for biceps/triceps/calves, BUT I wouldn't recommend it at first, and if you train right, you shouldn't even be able to at first.

** It is also very important to do all reps by yourself, spotters are just for safety, use them just in case to protect yourself if you slip up....but DON'T do forced reps, leave a little in the tank, so you can add 5lbs next time.
 
Yeah thanks alot biggt!!! All that will help me alot and i will bennifit because of it. Well thanks for all the pointers and tips all you guys gave me. If i have anymore quesitons again, i'll make sure to come back here again.
 
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