Need brand new training regimen

[Guinness5.0]

posted by someone who obviously knows nothing about drugs, and has never run any themselves...or maybe you are onto something, I can achieve my dreams of a pro card just by taking a ton of drugs, and nothing else, its just that easy

Probably not my best post ever, but my point was that lots of people jump on sauce and then because they get big, they think they know how to train. I was one of those people. I "peaked" (ran out of newbie gains from a less-than-adequate program) and thought to progress i'd need drugs. First cycle was prop and eq, second was prop and tren. First was ten weeks, second was 7. The first one got me to 240 net (from 225- and by net I mean after pct and water loss) and the second took me from 235 to 265. After the second one, my weight steadily dropped until I got to 245. It was then that I decided I didn't want to have to rely on gear to make progress. I've been reading lots of what madcow writes and the stuff he links to and realized there's a lot more to training than what magazines and most gym rats seem to know. That where I'm at now.

In some cases (yours in particular) drugs are justified/necessary IMO. It doesn't matter how good your training/diet is- to be a pro you gotta run gear. Again this is my opinion and it ain't worth shit to anyone but me. I just wanted to make it clear that I'm not as much of a know-it-all as it appears from what I posted above.

 

[Guinness5.0]

You are unlikely to find anything more appropriate for your situation/goal.

This was my advice before I bit off more than I could chew
and I stand by it.

 

[needsize]

Probably not my best post ever, but my point was that lots of people jump on sauce and then because they get big, they think they know how to train. I was one of those people. I "peaked" (ran out of newbie gains from a less-than-adequate program) and thought to progress i'd need drugs. First cycle was prop and eq, second was prop and tren. First was ten weeks, second was 7. The first one got me to 240 net (from 225- and by net I mean after pct and water loss) and the second took me from 235 to 265. After the second one, my weight steadily dropped until I got to 245. It was then that I decided I didn't want to have to rely on gear to make progress. I've been reading lots of what madcow writes and the stuff he links to and realized there's a lot more to training than what magazines and most gym rats seem to know. That where I'm at now.

In some cases (yours in particular) drugs are justified/necessary IMO. It doesn't matter how good your training/diet is- to be a pro you gotta run gear. Again this is my opinion and it ain't worth shit to anyone but me. I just wanted to make it clear that I'm not as much of a know-it-all as it appears from what I posted above.

okay, that makes a little more sense, and is a little less offensive. Many do jump on the juice way too early, long before they have any business doing so. Personally, I trained for over 10 years first, tried every diet and training approach I could find, and even made some up that happened to be decently effective. but in the end, I couldnt get anywhere near where I wanted to without turning to juice, but it sure isnt the wonder that many think it is, especially to get to where I am trying to.
Dont know if anyone from this forum saw these, but here are some pics I posted of me before hitting the juice
pre-juice pics

 

[Guinness5.0]

Cool. I think that because I've been learning a lot lately, I've been thinking I'm smarter than I really am . Plus I am a sarcastic bastard, which often translates poorly in writing.

Anywho, definitely some nice progress. I wish you luck with your professional endeavor. I have a friend who is training w/ an aspiring pro and I am vaguely aware of the type of desire/discipline/dedication you must posess. As they relate to high level BBers/PLs I see drugs as part of the equation, not a cop out as they are in MOST users' overall programs. I certainly haven't pursued anything with such focus (yet ).

Besides, how could I not like a guy w/ simpsons' quotes in his sig? One of my favs:
Homer- "Quick! What's the number for 911?!"

 

[needsize]

Cool. I think that because I've been learning a lot lately, I've been thinking I'm smarter than I really am . Plus I am a sarcastic bastard, which often translates poorly in writing.

Anywho, definitely some nice progress. I wish you luck with your professional endeavor. I have a friend who is training w/ an aspiring pro and I am vaguely aware of the type of desire/discipline/dedication you must posess. As they relate to high level BBers/PLs I see drugs as part of the equation, not a cop out as they are in MOST users' overall programs. I certainly haven't pursued anything with such focus (yet ).

Besides, how could I not like a guy w/ simpsons' quotes in his sig? One of my favs:
Homer- "Quick! What's the number for 911?!"

its funny, getting huge takes crazy dedication, but its nothing compared to this contest stuff. My trainer who is an IFBB pro(first time I've ever had a trainer) has me eating 2600 calories a day, do 45 minutes of cardio 2x daily, as well as training 2x a day, all for 20 goddamn weeks...makes me wish I was a bowler instead of a bodybuilder
And all this, so I can take at least another year to add enough size to tackle the provincials and nationals.....