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NEED a gains keeper formula for post cycle!! (bridge experts reply!)

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ok guys, Just wanted to let you know that I plan on living in San Diego, CA this summer and I am going to start my cycle in my home state NY and be finished right before living in San Diego. Of course I am taking clomids, Liquidex,HCG and all the other goodies to keep gains, but the truth of the matter is I want to continue possibly light juicing or something that will help me MAINTAIN MY GAINS FROM MY CYCLE SO I COULD KEEP MY NEW PHYSIQUE THAT i WILL GET FROM THE CYCLE. So whether its Primoboloan, light dosages of test, EQ or whatever, please recommend what i can do to HOLD ALL GAINS.

Purpose Statement: Need recommendations of (light drugs/dosages) to maintain gains for 3 months after cycle.

here is my cycle so you could help me construct a gains keeper program.......

Weeks***Enanthate***EQ*******Fina****
1--------------1000---------600-------------------
2--------------1000---------600-------------------
3---------------625----------500-------------------
4---------------625----------500--------------------
5---------------625----------500-------------------
6---------------625----------500-------------------
7---------------625----------500-------------------
8---------------625----------500---------100EOD
9---------------625----------500---------100EOD
10-------------625----------500---------100EOD
11-------------625----------500---------100EOD
12-------------625----------500---------100EOD
13------------------------------------------100EOD
14----HCG 500IU ED--------------------100EOD
15----HCG 500IU (sun-Wed)----------100EOD (half week)
16----300mgs clom 1st day / 100mgs ED----
17----100mgs clom (4 days) / 50mgs ED-----
18----50mgs clom ED-----------------------------

HCG** HCG at 500IU ED for 10 days during weeks---5, 10, (14-15)

Liquidex** Take Liquidex at 1/4th cc ED starting week 1 till end of week 18

Clen/nyc** Start taking clen/nyc (2 weeks clen, 2 weeks nyc) consecutively from weeks 9-20 (12 weeks total)



So now that you have seen my cycle, please help me construct an ultimate gains keeper formula that will help me maintain gains from the cycle above so this way i could hold a superb physique the whole summer, after I come back to NY this bridge will be complete and I will be off juice for a about a year 1/2 as i only do one cycle within every 2 years....THANKS

I was thinking of primobolan depot at 200mgsED and 25mgs of propEOD...(or one shot of enanthate one week of 100mgs) what do you guys recommend?
 
Bump...I want to hear some suggestions also.
 
nice cycle bro i am kind of in the same boat your in. i want to do the same i think i am going to wait about 4 weeks after clomid and do a 6-8week var cycle at 40mgs ed
 
the best way to keep those gains will be to up you calorie intake, and get plenty of rest. Although that may be hard as you will be moving and getting adjusted to a new place. Fonz wrote a good thread on using dboll as a bridge. You might want to check into that.
 
bridge

you can bridge with dbol. take 20 mg upon arising, and 20 more about 4 hours later. I tried it and kept all but 6 pounds of a cycle. Before i was losing most of it. The test is "piggy-backed" onto your natural testosterone spike that is experienced in the morning, thus defeating the test feedback loop that shuts you down. Your liver values won't equalize though. You still have to go off completely at some point. But the longer you can keep your gains, the more muscle will stay with you. good luck. btw, nice cycle.
 
although I have not tried it yet, I think 40mg of dboll is a little too much for a bridge. Would that much not shut you down??
 
bumpo- perhaps I am being a little think headed, but I dont see how 40mg of dboll would not shut you down. I thought the idea was to let your htpa recover while still maintaining some decent size??
 
40mg of dbol would inhibit your natural test for sure as far as i understand things...

For a dbol bridge you would use 10-20mg of dbol in the AM... so that it coincides with your natural spike in testosterone and therefore doesn't inhibit your natty test. (that's the theory behind it)

There is some debate on whether the dbol bridge supresses natural test production or not.

Personally- if i felt like i was going to lose a lot i would use it.
 
well to be honest guys, i dont like the idea of taking Dball as i am not a big fan of Alka-17 and had liver pains or some type of pain in that area when i was on Dball. I prefer injections predominantly over dballs....anyways, Primobolan depot doesn't sound so bad eather but very expensive and hard to get...how about low dosages of test?? what have you guys done after clomids for a bridge and did it help you maintain your physique???? thanks
 
It took me a few years of juicing and gaining and losing to figure it out. Here is what i do: Take clomid always with hcg. Take creatine and dextrose post workout. Change your routine a little. I change from 8 reps on gear to 10-12 off gear with a little less weight to help combat the mental part of losing strength. Eat big. I eat til i puke post cycle so i keep gains.I have been doing this for last 5 weeks and i have lost 2lbs of water. My cycle was test/dbol so id say thats good cause that combo makes you hold a ton of water. Oh yeah and a little insulin if you like it.
 
ikedani said:
do not take liquidex post cycle, ur estrogen levels will be dangerously low
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L-dex should certainly not reduce your estrogen levels, especially post cycle, to dangerously low levels... as far as i know...
 
Here it is for you

2 WEEKS before last shot start with the HCG@ 1,000IU EVERY DAY FOR 10 DAYS straight, then Clomid @ 150 mgs every day for 2 weeks straight.While you are doing the clomid you can start with the Primo @ 200mgs weekly (2 shots per week)Then you can either add in the Anavar @ 20-30mg. daily.You can do either both together or you might want to go with the Primo for 4 weeks then switch to Anavar for 4 weeks,that's 8 weeks bridge with the safest compounds out there and you will get your natural test just about to where it was.During the bridge you could do HCG again @ 500 iu per day for 10 days.
 
Actually, you can take up to 50 mg per day without shutting down your test recovery. I read that in a study and i can't find it again for the life of me. I'm positive i read that though. As long as you take it first thing in the am, your body is expecting a testosterone spike anyway. I do it everycycle. The boys filled out just as fast on 40 mg dbol as they did without it, and i kept most all of what i gained that time.
 
well thank you very much Hockey1 for your input I kind of like your idea..so now based on your advice and some other bros on this post this is what I came to conclusion and check it out....

Also before i post my cycle with bridge...........is it ok to take low dosages of test as i been hearing a lot of hype about that or no?

Also, why should i start my bridge on first week of clomids as opposed to starting bridge after last week of cloms?

as primobolan and anavar are ridiculously expensive, is there any substitute that i could use for the 12 week bridge?

Weeks***Enanthate***EQ*******Fina*****Primo***anvar**
1--------------1000---------600---------------------------------------------
2--------------1000---------600---------------------------------------------
3---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
4---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
5---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
6---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
7---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
8---------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
9---------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
10-------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
11-------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
12-------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
13------------------------------------------100EOD-------------------------
14----HCG 500IU ED--------------------100EOD--------------------------
15----HCG 500IU (sun-Wed)----------100EOD (half week)-----------
16----300mgs clom 1st day / 100mgs ED--------200mgs----30mgs
17----100mgs clom (4 days) / 50mgs ED---------200mgs----30mgs
18----50mgs clom ED---------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
19--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
20--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
21--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
22--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
23--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
24--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
25--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
26--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
27--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
******************THE END**************************

HCG** HCG at 500IU ED for 10 days during weeks---5, 10, (14-15)
(HCG at 500IU ED for 10 days anytime during BRIDGE if I feel balls have atrophied again)

Liquidex** Take Liquidex at 1/4th cc ED starting week 1 till end of week 18

Clen/nyc** Start taking clen/nyc (2 weeks clen, 2 weeks nyc) consecutively from weeks 9-20 (12 weeks total)
 
Lift Chief said:


L-dex should certainly not reduce your estrogen levels, especially post cycle, to dangerously low levels... as far as i know...
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posted by nandi at CEM:
Post cycle there are two good reasons not to use arimidex/letrozole. First the coronary vessel wall lesions. Your estrogen and testosterone levels will be very low as it is post cycle. Local aromatization of test to estrogen blocks lesion formation. Aromatase inhibitors given to mice double the size of arterial plaques in a matter of weeks:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/98/6/3589

The second reason is SHBG. SHBG levels are very low post cycle and stay low for weeks or months, depending on your cycle. The level of SHBG determines your total testosterone level. If SHBG is depressed and testosterone starts to recover, the elevated free test will act in a negative feedback manner to suppress test production, prolonging recovery.

Estrogen elevates SHBG, allowing for higher total test levels. If you block estrogen production post cycle with an aromatase inhibitor, you will only prolong the suppression of SHBG, which will prolong your recovery. I have seen this phenomenon in post cycle blood tests sent to me by members for interpretation.
 
so what are you suggesting ikedani, that I should cut the use of liquidex after last shot of Fina, and take clomids by itself??? if not so, when should liquidex be cut off? should i be taking 1/4th cc ED or EOD also? thanks...

and to ulter, are you sure its ok to take Dball for 12 weeks straight and how could that hold gains also out of curiousity>? how many mgs would i need to take also? whats wrong with primo and anavar or just primo alone perhaps? thanks!!!
 
10mgs of what ulter? i am sorry, misinterpreted what you were saying there, what should i take of 10mgs for 12 weeks to maintain my gains and should i start it with clomids or after clomids? thanks!
 
just to solve the controversy, start bridge during or after clomids?

Also, if 200mgs of primobolan depot is to much, how about 100mgs a week?
 
gains keeper that will make you bigger!!!

Okay you want a gains keeper that will kick ass and actually make you bigger? well this is the scoop. there is a website that my buddy told me about and now I'm gonna tell you. As far as I know I have heard that they are an unadvertised web site that sells really hard core grey market supps. that kick ass! I know from experience that they work as well as any juice that I have taken. Long story short, you are looking for is carvagen.com they have a sterile micronized 1-test in an oil base that works like nothing I've ever come across! Then you come off with a product that is as good as clomiphene citrate, called "dicyclofenil' you will be as huge as you were when you were on the juice! Happy growing and keep me posted.
 
gains keeper that will make you bigger!!!

Okay you want a gains keeper that will kick ass and actually make you bigger? well this is the scoop. there is a website that my buddy told me about and now I'm gonna tell you. As far as I know I have heard that they are an unadvertised web site that sells really hard core grey market supps. that kick ass! I know from experience that they work as well as any juice that I have taken. Long story short, you are looking for is carvagen.com they have a sterile micronized 1-test in an oil base that works like nothing I've ever come across! Then you come off with a product that is as good as clomiphene citrate, called "dicyclofenil' you will be as huge as you were when you were on the juice! Happy growing and keep me posted.
 
gains keeper that will make you bigger!!!

Okay you want a gains keeper that will kick ass and actually make you bigger? well this is the scoop. there is a website that my buddy told me about and now I'm gonna tell you. As far as I know I have heard that they are an unadvertised web site that sells really hard core grey market supps. that kick ass! I know from experience that they work as well as any juice that I have taken. Long story short, you are looking for is carvagen.com they have a sterile micronized 1-test in an oil base that works like nothing I've ever come across! Then you come off with a product that is as good as clomiphene citrate, called "dicyclofenil' you will be as huge as you were when you were on the juice! Happy growing and keep me posted.
 
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