NEED a gains keeper formula for post cycle!! (bridge experts reply!)

[Shoot Me Up]

well to be honest guys, i dont like the idea of taking Dball as i am not a big fan of Alka-17 and had liver pains or some type of pain in that area when i was on Dball. I prefer injections predominantly over dballs....anyways, Primobolan depot doesn't sound so bad eather but very expensive and hard to get...how about low dosages of test?? what have you guys done after clomids for a bridge and did it help you maintain your physique???? thanks

 

[eric88]

It took me a few years of juicing and gaining and losing to figure it out. Here is what i do: Take clomid always with hcg. Take creatine and dextrose post workout. Change your routine a little. I change from 8 reps on gear to 10-12 off gear with a little less weight to help combat the mental part of losing strength. Eat big. I eat til i puke post cycle so i keep gains.I have been doing this for last 5 weeks and i have lost 2lbs of water. My cycle was test/dbol so id say thats good cause that combo makes you hold a ton of water. Oh yeah and a little insulin if you like it.

 

[ikedani]

do not take liquidex post cycle, ur estrogen levels will be dangerously low

 

[Lift Chief]

do not take liquidex post cycle, ur estrogen levels will be dangerously low

L-dex should certainly not reduce your estrogen levels, especially post cycle, to dangerously low levels... as far as i know...

 

[hockey1]

Here it is for you

2 WEEKS before last shot start with the HCG@ 1,000IU EVERY DAY FOR 10 DAYS straight, then Clomid @ 150 mgs every day for 2 weeks straight.While you are doing the clomid you can start with the Primo @ 200mgs weekly (2 shots per week)Then you can either add in the Anavar @ 20-30mg. daily.You can do either both together or you might want to go with the Primo for 4 weeks then switch to Anavar for 4 weeks,that's 8 weeks bridge with the safest compounds out there and you will get your natural test just about to where it was.During the bridge you could do HCG again @ 500 iu per day for 10 days.

 

[40Ngrowin]

Actually, you can take up to 50 mg per day without shutting down your test recovery. I read that in a study and i can't find it again for the life of me. I'm positive i read that though. As long as you take it first thing in the am, your body is expecting a testosterone spike anyway. I do it everycycle. The boys filled out just as fast on 40 mg dbol as they did without it, and i kept most all of what i gained that time.

 

[Shoot Me Up]

well thank you very much Hockey1 for your input I kind of like your idea..so now based on your advice and some other bros on this post this is what I came to conclusion and check it out....

Also before i post my cycle with bridge...........is it ok to take low dosages of test as i been hearing a lot of hype about that or no?

Also, why should i start my bridge on first week of clomids as opposed to starting bridge after last week of cloms?

as primobolan and anavar are ridiculously expensive, is there any substitute that i could use for the 12 week bridge?

Weeks***Enanthate***EQ*******Fina*****Primo***anvar**
1--------------1000---------600---------------------------------------------
2--------------1000---------600---------------------------------------------
3---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
4---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
5---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
6---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
7---------------625----------500---------------------------------------------
8---------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
9---------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
10-------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
11-------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
12-------------625----------500---------100EOD--------------------------
13------------------------------------------100EOD-------------------------
14----HCG 500IU ED--------------------100EOD--------------------------
15----HCG 500IU (sun-Wed)----------100EOD (half week)-----------
16----300mgs clom 1st day / 100mgs ED--------200mgs----30mgs
17----100mgs clom (4 days) / 50mgs ED---------200mgs----30mgs
18----50mgs clom ED---------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
19--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
20--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
21--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
22--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
23--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
24--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
25--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
26--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
27--------------------------------------------------------200mgs----30mgs
******************THE END**************************

HCG** HCG at 500IU ED for 10 days during weeks---5, 10, (14-15)
(HCG at 500IU ED for 10 days anytime during BRIDGE if I feel balls have atrophied again)

Liquidex** Take Liquidex at 1/4th cc ED starting week 1 till end of week 18

Clen/nyc** Start taking clen/nyc (2 weeks clen, 2 weeks nyc) consecutively from weeks 9-20 (12 weeks total)

 

[Ulter]

Your recovery cycle and your gains keeper are not the same. Although many treat them interchangeably.
After your recovery cycle the best way to bridge and keep you gains is to use the AM dbol that was suggested earlier.

 

[ikedani]

L-dex should certainly not reduce your estrogen levels, especially post cycle, to dangerously low levels... as far as i know...

posted by nandi at CEM:
Post cycle there are two good reasons not to use arimidex/letrozole. First the coronary vessel wall lesions. Your estrogen and testosterone levels will be very low as it is post cycle. Local aromatization of test to estrogen blocks lesion formation. Aromatase inhibitors given to mice double the size of arterial plaques in a matter of weeks:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/98/6/3589

The second reason is SHBG. SHBG levels are very low post cycle and stay low for weeks or months, depending on your cycle. The level of SHBG determines your total testosterone level. If SHBG is depressed and testosterone starts to recover, the elevated free test will act in a negative feedback manner to suppress test production, prolonging recovery.

Estrogen elevates SHBG, allowing for higher total test levels. If you block estrogen production post cycle with an aromatase inhibitor, you will only prolong the suppression of SHBG, which will prolong your recovery. I have seen this phenomenon in post cycle blood tests sent to me by members for interpretation.

 

[Shoot Me Up]

so what are you suggesting ikedani, that I should cut the use of liquidex after last shot of Fina, and take clomids by itself??? if not so, when should liquidex be cut off? should i be taking 1/4th cc ED or EOD also? thanks...

and to ulter, are you sure its ok to take Dball for 12 weeks straight and how could that hold gains also out of curiousity>? how many mgs would i need to take also? whats wrong with primo and anavar or just primo alone perhaps? thanks!!!