Native American People

[distanced]

ok, I'm not racist at all, but I do tend to stereotype a bit.

I live near some very large reservations, so there are indians everywhere in my city.

it absolutely blows my mind how fat most of them are. I mean, it's not even funny how fat they are and I don't even want to know the percent of the reservation is 50lbs or more over weight.

The reservations are all pretty scummy and not very safe to drive through.

for the amount of money they get from the government, you'd think they would all be quite well off.

most of them all have either mustangs or pimped out japanese cars or big pickup trucks.

at the same time though, they live in nasty trailors or boxes.

They wear all 'hippest' clothes, normally following the hispanic fads in clothing around here.

considering the amount of native americans that live here, it seems like there are none that go to college here.

anytime I go to a pub or club, there are always fat nasty girls that are getting kicked out or asked to leave while their drunken big chief boyfriends are passed out on the floor.

they're always picking fights, and never know when to stop drinking. they all work in fast food or gass stations, and I can only wonder if most have finished highschool.

Would someone care to enlighten me as to some positive aspects of their current social stance so I will quit looking down on them?

 

[ariolanine]

I have a friend who volunteered on a res for one year through the YMCA. His observations were identical to yours. I visited him there once and it was probably the saddest state of humanity I have ever witnessed. It was in South Dakota by the way. I couldn't help but think it was partly the white man's fault, but then you see all of the free health care and financial assistance they get and the guilt quickly leaves.

 

[distanced]

I mean, if I were indian, I so would think I were the man.

finish school, go to college. get a good job. my income plus all the government benifits would make me so set.

don't they have the greatest advancement oppertunity of anyone else in the country?

 

[ariolanine]

You are absolutely correct. I can't remember the actual percentage but you only have to prove you are part indian. And I think it's less than 20%. You get tons of school loans and all kinds of shit. They have the most opportunity out of every group.

 

[Y_lifter]

Nothing different that a large Majority of Other lifetime Government
supported individuals.
Lack of Self worth due to having no reason to have any.
As for the AMOUNT OF MONEY, I would be curious how much they actually receive.
I realize they get tax breaks, but not sure how much hard cash they get outside of something similar to welfare $'s.
Likely a self perpetuating cycle from one generation to the next
of mistrust, limited opportunity and low self esteem...

 

[biteme]

I am part Indian. I see it this way. I don't know what their problem is. Hell, I didn't even know reservations still existed. They need to accept reality and get with the program and quit whining about how the white man fucked them up. If they want to live like that, it's their own damn fault. THey can go to college free. Hell, I wish I had just a little more Indian blood in me and I could go to college for free and get many other benefits. My great-grandmother was half-indian so I don't think i have enough blood to qualify for benefits. I think you have to be 1/8 Indian. They sound just like the lazy ghetto blacks that blame all their problems on the white man when they have better opportunities than I do and fail to capitalize on them. They get no pity from me.

 

[Warik]

Native Americans are better than we are since their great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents were born in the country in which we live.

Also, their great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents were butchered by people my great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents were not affiliated with in any way, which is why I must pay taxes and they must not.

The end.

-Warik

 

[Y_lifter]

I'm 1/4 Indian....

Where do I line up for all these Freebies ???

 

[CanadianCripple]

A very interesting study is ongoing with the Pima Indians regarding this subject. Do a google search... fascinating stuff.

 

[biteme]

I'm 1/4 Indian....

Where do I line up for all these Freebies ???

You got it made man. There are several benefits you can get. You need to look into it.

 

[Y_lifter]

You got it made man. There are several benefits you can get. You need to look into it.

I don't wanna Piss Warik off more...

 

[ZenMachine]

I don't wanna Piss Warik off more...

I thought this alone would be reason enough to do it.

 

[JohnyJuice]

substitute "blacks" in for "american indians" and you have almost the same situation. When you get to blame others for your troubles and get handouts, you almost eliminate any chance of progress. It is right in front of their eyes, yet no one wants to see it. Handouts and lack of accountability ar keeping these people (blacks, indians) down, not whites or anything else for that matter.

 

[theoak01]

they get free post secondary school up here but so few use it so it doenst matter.

I live 20mins from a reserve and they cause all kinds of shit at the bars here in town,they fucking disgust me,I had some problems with them when I was in high school and they dont fight 1-1 its strength in numbers

fucking cowards

only difference in cars is here they have big trucks or monte carlo's with the back end raised

 

[distanced]

does anyone else smell corn chips.

oh crap, she must have found out where I live.

maybe if I dress like a cowboy, it will scare her off.

 

[zeke]

I would have to agree with Johnny J. If any group of people are constantly giving handouts. They will soon become totally dependent on this. I don't live around any indians. I live in central Alabama which is majority populated by blacks. I tell you the difference between the two. Native Americans once owned this land there's no debating that. What we did (white man) by trading with them was detroy there way of life. They became dependent on the white man for clothing, beads, cookwear, etc. We (our father's fathers) destoyed an entire culture by transforming the way they lived to the way we live, or the way we wanted them to live. At the time reservations were designed as a quick fix, a way for us to control, conquer and develop this land without any resistance from any culture.

The problem started when the 1900's rolled around and you had people (notheastern white people) saying "Ok we have freed the blacks and defeated the south, what about the indians. That's when finiancial aid was introduced. And you can planly see the results, so don't be so quick to say "why can't I receive free _____, or whatever. Do you want you culture and race to become the same way? As for school and free aid. Life is like poker, you have to play with what ya got.

Ain't life grand
Zeke

 

[Moe]

Carbs...plain and simple.

This is alos the reason that blacks and American Indians, specifically, have a genetic predisposition to obesity and alcoholism. Carbs.

Think about it.

For hundreds of years, generation after generation of impovrished minority group in this counrty (in this case blacks and American Indians) have endured a lifestyle consisting of, shall we say, slim pickings. Food supplies were limited, and luxury foods (i.e. meat, etc.) were all but non-existant. To survive, these groups had to sustain themselves on the most calorically dense foods available, as well as foods that would keep during long periods of drought (climactic, financial, or otherwise). This means tens of generations (at least) developing a genetic NEED for, you guessed it--fat and carbohydrates. Carbohdrate rich foods tend not only to keep well for long periods of time, but are also far more inexpensive than protein rich foods (expensive / perish quickly).

The genetic adaptivity of the human body is such that we can affect change in our body in a matter of weeks and months through the mere manipulation of calories (volume and compositon). We all know that if we eat nothing but carbs for extended periods of time, we begin to lose our visible muscle tone and develop a noticable layer of subdermal fat. This is in jsut a matter of weks. Now...take that caloric habitualization and extraoplate it over a year...now, a lifetime...now, 50 lifetimes. What do you have?

You have entire generations of people who have adapted in such a way that their bodies "need" a certain amount of calories, and "need" a certain percentage of those calories through fat and carbs. As food sources became more redily available and droughts virtually non-existant, there were no longer extended periods of caloric deficit during such times as long winters, etc. So, high carb, high fat diets continued unabated, year-round. Therefore, needs were being met well above the "need" level. The net result...caloric surplus.

Of course, the incomes of these minority groups did not ride with the national economic mean, and as a result, they were forced to continue to search for inexpensive sources for nutrients. Lack of money coupled with a pre-disposition for carbohydrate rich foods leads to one simple solution...rice, pasta, bread. Food that is high in calories and low in cost. The cycle continues. The cycle continues to this day.

It is also one of the reasons that blacks and American Indians have such a predisposition to alcoholism. Carbs!

The most effective means by which to deliver carbohydrates into the bloodstream (something their bodies crave on a genetic level), is via alcohol. Ta-da! Generations of, poor, overweight, alcoholics.

It is really a sad story, and it was nice of the U.S. government to be able to tell it to them for hundreds of years. It is a story that continues to this day.

 

[hardrock]

Blacks and indians are predisposed to alcoholism due to carbs? BS! I don't buy it for one minute. Most alcohol has very low if any carbs in it other than beer or mixed drinks. I suppose that also explains the "Lysol Champangne" that SOME Indians drink by mixing Lysol with a gallon of water. Must be the carbs.


50 lifetimes huh? so what you're saying is we took their land some 2500 years ago?

 

[JohnyJuice]

Blacks and indians are predisposed to alcoholism due to carbs? BS! I don't buy it for one minute. Most alcohol has very low if any carbs in it other than beer or mixed drinks. I suppose that also explains the "Lysol Champangne" that SOME Indians drink by mixing Lysol with a gallon of water. Must be the carbs.


50 lifetimes huh? so what you're saying is we took their land some 2500 years ago?

Lysol Champagne?? jesus christ. never heard of that. And alcohol doesnt have a lot of carbs. It does have a good amount of calories though. i believe the calorie rating is something like...
protien 4 cal per gram
carb 6 cal per gram
fat 8 cal per gram
alcohol 10 cal per gram

 

[JohnyJuice]

Blacks and indians are predisposed to alcoholism due to carbs? BS! I don't buy it for one minute. Most alcohol has very low if any carbs in it other than beer or mixed drinks. I suppose that also explains the "Lysol Champangne" that SOME Indians drink by mixing Lysol with a gallon of water. Must be the carbs.


50 lifetimes huh? so what you're saying is we took their land some 2500 years ago?

Lysol Champagne?? jesus christ. never heard of that. And alcohol beverages dont always have a lot of carbs, unless it is a mixed drink type thing. Alcohol itself does have a good amount of calories though. i believe the calorie rating is something like...
protien 4 cal per gram
carb 6 cal per gram
fat 8 cal per gram
alcohol 10 cal per gram

 

[Warik]

substitute "blacks" in for "american indians" and you have almost the same situation.

yea right... Native Americans are to Blacks as Blacks are to Whites in terms of handouts. At least blacks pay taxes. Fucking A man... nowadays it seems like the only people pushing for equality (us) are the ones that the opposition (them) claims are racist/bigotted/etc.

So... because a white man says that a Native American should have to pay taxes, he is racist? Isn't everybody "the same" as the liberal left claims we are? So, if we are "the same," then we should all pay the same taxes, right?

Unless of course we are "better" because we can pay taxes and someone else is not able to. (They said it - not me).

-Warik

 

[JohnyJuice]

yea right... Native Americans are to Blacks as Blacks are to Whites in terms of handouts. At least blacks pay taxes. Fucking A man... nowadays it seems like the only people pushing for equality (us) are the ones that the opposition (them) claims are racist/bigotted/etc.

So... because a white man says that a Native American should have to pay taxes, he is racist? Isn't everybody "the same" as the liberal left claims we are? So, if we are "the same," then we should all pay the same taxes, right?

Unless of course we are "better" because we can pay taxes and someone else is not able to. (They said it - not me).

-Warik

I meant as far as in terms of being culturally in the shitter, and blaming others for ones own problems.

 

[Warik]

I think the blacks have the natives beat on that one, JJ.

-Warik

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Native Americans are better than we are since their great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents were born in the country in which we live.

Also, their great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents were butchered by people my great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents were not affiliated with in any way, which is why I must pay taxes and they must not.

The end.

-Warik

You are half cuban and syrian or something. don't blame yourself, instead get on the band wagon and tell how the man is keeping you down.

 

[Necrophagia]

Several of my friends are Indians. Hell I live pretty close to the reservation. Here's what they've said.


The CHEIF gets all the freebies. He gets the free housing, new cats, $$$, ect. NOT the people. They barely get anything. Haven't you ever noticed, on Reservations, everyone looks to be living in poverty, yet the Cheif has a nice big house, new cars, ect?

One of which I worked with, even stated that their parents put alcohol in baby bottles(a passed down tradition he says) and gives their kids alcohol. I aint making excuses for them, but it seems like they usually have it rough.

If they had it as easy as people think, we wouldn't see so many out working jobs and shit.

 

[hardrock]

I'm sure it depends on what tribe your from and if and how many casinos they have.
I used to work at a Cadillac dealer in high school. I remember a couple of times, going with a salesman to the reservation to deliver cars. That way they didn't have to pay taxes. This whole neighborhood was surrounded by dirt. No grass. There were old broken down cars in the middle of empty lots. Then you get to the neighborhood, and there's nice cars everywhere. The people we delivered to had just built their house. Probably around a 1/4 million dollar house. The neighbor kid was getting into his Mercedes as we pulled up. The guy we delivered to wrote a check for a $40k+ new Cadillac. I highly doubt that that entire neighborhood were all cheifs.

This is one of the only casino's within an hour drive of Minneapolis too. I know when I used to go there(5+ years ago) the place was always packed. These guys were well off I'd say.

 

[Warik]

You are half cuban and syrian or something. don't blame yourself, instead get on the band wagon and tell how the man is keeping you down.

Half Cuban/Half Lebanese. My parents saw tougher times than the typical whiner welfare mom and made it due to acting as opposed to complaining about how so-and-so was holding them down.

Having the same attitude myself, coupled with the fact that no one is holding me down, will hopefully lead to a very pleasant life filled with much golfing after an early retirement age.

-Warik

 

[grlpwrd]

ok, I'm not racist at all, but I do tend to stereotype a bit.

I live near some very large reservations, so there are indians everywhere in my city.

it absolutely blows my mind how fat most of them are. I mean, it's not even funny how fat they are and I don't even want to know the percent of the reservation is 50lbs or more over weight.

The reservations are all pretty scummy and not very safe to drive through.

for the amount of money they get from the government, you'd think they would all be quite well off.

most of them all have either mustangs or pimped out japanese cars or big pickup trucks.

at the same time though, they live in nasty trailors or boxes.

They wear all 'hippest' clothes, normally following the hispanic fads in clothing around here.

considering the amount of native americans that live here, it seems like there are none that go to college here.

anytime I go to a pub or club, there are always fat nasty girls that are getting kicked out or asked to leave while their drunken big chief boyfriends are passed out on the floor.

they're always picking fights, and never know when to stop drinking. they all work in fast food or gass stations, and I can only wonder if most have finished highschool.

Would someone care to enlighten me as to some positive aspects of their current social stance so I will quit looking down on them?

They've been socially and culturally raped, that's why. Tell me how you would feel if someone stole your land and water rights (given legally via treaties), if someone gave you diseased blankets (Americans using bioterrorism), and killed off your women and children (thru genocide and warfare).

Like supernav posted, educate yourself first then maybe you'd understand.

 

[Temple]

I am almost certain that there have been studies done that show that Native Americans process carbs differently which is why they are prone to alcoholism. I also live close to one of if not the poorest reservation in the country and believe it to be the unsolvable problem. What started out as rampant alcoholism has produced a generation of alcoholics with fetal alcohol syndrome who are producing the next generation of of mentally and physically handicapped alcoholics. If ever there were a good case for involuntary sterilization IMO this is it. HIV has reached the reservation and at the rate it is going they will self exterminate but only after they use up millions of tax dollars on treatment. The ones that will be left are some of the finest people you could meet.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

to be serious, i took a native american history class and we had about 60+ students in the class. most of us realized that the situation is really ugly and there is no clear cut answer because there are many things to be considered and to be taken into account.

 

[oubeta]

Chahta iskitini anumpuli li

I'm fluent in Choctaw.

Had to take a 12 hours of a foreign language for my degree.
Totally worthless

 

[Warik]

Re: Re: Native American People

Tell me how you would feel if someone stole your land and water rights (given legally via treaties), if someone gave you diseased blankets (Americans using bioterrorism), and killed off your women and children (thru genocide and warfare).

Like supernav posted, educate yourself first then maybe you'd understand.

There is not a single Native American alive today who had his land and water rights stolen, slept with diseased blankets, or had his family killed off by anyone else alive today.

Educate YOURSELF first and then maybe YOU would understand. This shit is CENTURIES old and I have frankly had enough of it. The people paying benefits (taxpayers, i.e. you and me) had nothing to do with the persecution of the Native Americans (NONE of whom are still alive today). Grow up and get over it. What the fuck is this?

The Klingon homeworld where the sins of the grandfather will dishonor your family for 7 generations? Trace any Native American's roots back 300 years and in those 300 years I doubt you will find anyone who was directly victimized by anyone in my 300 year-old family history... or many other Americans' for that matter. You're grasping at straws trying to justify this blatant foolishness.

Has Europe ever attacked the Middle East in the past few centuries? Well... former Europeans created the America we know today, and I'm part Arab, so therefore I think I shouldn't have to pay taxes. Oh yeah... I should get free money for education solely based on my superior nasal prominence. God forbid I have to actually earn something like poor whitey.

-Warik

 

[fistfullofsteel]

they were wronged bigtime and the fact remains it is their land more than ours and we had nothing to do with it but we are still on their turf. unless you want argue that once you're conquered that you are conquered and it's too bad and tough luck.

 

[Warik]

This has to do with a NATION OF PEOPLE who NEVER signed to be UNDER ANOTHER NATION that got created. That nation being the US of A.

BUT THEY ARE DEAD. The Native Americans of today are NOT the Native Americans of yesterday! The Native Americans of yesterday would likely be disgusted with what they would see here today.

That's like someone from Cuba kidnapping you tomorrow and forcing you to be Cuban.

Yes, but I would still be alive. If my descendents 300 years later do not like being Cuban, they could always leave.

See, if you had done some EDUCATIONAL RESEARCH, i wouldn't be wasting my valuable time here explaining this to you, and instead could go back to my yummy big mac and fries.

Lol... you have told me NOTHING I don't already know. I went through all of this shit in my early American history course last semester where the teacher continued to talk about the butchery and plunder of the Native Americans perpetrated by the Europeans. The only thing she COULDN'T tell me is why those acts justify the handouts given to the people who never experienced them by the people who never perpetrated them. You still haven't told me that either.

By your logic the great grand daughter of the girl your great grand father cheated on in the 10th grade has the right to seek vengeance on you for his crimes. That's right... someone who was not alive at the same time as the perpetrator is responsible for the crimes committed against someone who was not alive at the same time as the victim.

Please justify your arguments logically. Yes, the Europeans stole their land, etc... but you have still not told me why that means that WE should pay for THEIR crimes.

-Warik

 

[big4life]

Several of my friends are Indians. Hell I live pretty close to the reservation. Here's what they've said.


The CHEIF gets all the freebies. He gets the free housing, new cats, $$$, ect.

WOW!!!!!!!

They give him new cats?

Who could turn that down!!







ps. What happens to the old cats?

 

[The Ranger]

Re: Re: Re: Native American People

There is not a single Native American alive today who had his land and water rights stolen, slept with diseased blankets, or had his family killed off by anyone else alive today.

Educate YOURSELF first and then maybe YOU would understand. This shit is CENTURIES old and I have frankly had enough of it. The people paying benefits (taxpayers, i.e. you and me) had nothing to do with the persecution of the Native Americans (NONE of whom are still alive today). Grow up and get over it. What the fuck is this?

The Klingon homeworld where the sins of the grandfather will dishonor your family for 7 generations? Trace any Native American's roots back 300 years and in those 300 years I doubt you will find anyone who was directly victimized by anyone in my 300 year-old family history... or many other Americans' for that matter. You're grasping at straws trying to justify this blatant foolishness.

Has Europe ever attacked the Middle East in the past few centuries? Well... former Europeans created the America we know today, and I'm part Arab, so therefore I think I shouldn't have to pay taxes. Oh yeah... I should get free money for education solely based on my superior nasal prominence. God forbid I have to actually earn something like poor whitey.

-Warik

Everyone who signed the Constitution and Bill of Rights are long dead as well...does this null and void that??

On a side note.....Have you ever seen a bald native american???

Just curious.....

Ranger

 

[Warik]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Native American People

Everyone who signed the Constitution and Bill of Rights are long dead as well...does this null and void that??

The Constitution is a document designed to protect our rights which all major politicians willingly take an oath to protect and to uphold.

Freebies for Native Americans are designed to infringe on our rights and are funded by money taken from taxpayers at gunpoint.

It's not the same thing.

On a side note.....Have you ever seen a bald native american???

No... what's that got to do with anything?

-Warik

 

[The Ranger]

Our rights are protected by the Constitution and the Native Americans are protected by similar laws and treaties...I fail to see the major difference....except they get "something" for free that I don't get...and I want it too....Correct??

As for bald Indians....just never seen one.....must be in the genes I guess......

Ranger

 

[Bikini Mod]

As for bald Indians....just never seen one.....must be in the genes I guess......

Ranger

Can they ALL fuck for four hours, nut four times without ever losing their erections as well?

 

[Warik]

they get "something" for free that I don't get...and I want it too....Correct??

Incorrect.

I don't want any of their handouts. I want everybody to have equal rights with equal responsibilities.

Any additional rights should be based on merit, NOT background. Isn't treating somebody differently because of their racial background, um, "racist?" So... minorities whine about racism while they seem to be supporting racism themselves? Isn't that a little contradictory?

Oh wait... it's only racism when it doesn't directly benefit the minority at the involuntary expense of the majority - ah, I see.

-Warik

 

[c-sharp minor]

Can they ALL fuck for four hours, nut four times without ever losing their erections as well?

You just described me, yet I'm not Native American.

 

[big4life]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Native American People

On a side note.....Have you ever seen a bald native american???

Just curious.....

Ranger

I have, in college.


Well technically she was shaved........

 

[Bikini Mod]

You just described me, yet I'm not Native American.

My bad... perhaps then it was in the HUNGARIAN blood line, and not due to the Native American geneology.

 

[Warik]

>BUT THEY ARE DEAD

But the "NATION" IS NOT DEAD.

As long as people from that NATION are having babies, that nation still exists. So if the founding fathers of the US are dead, does that mean the US doesn't exist?

Of course not.

This has NOTHING to do with handouts. This has NOTHING to do with welfare. This has NOTHING to do with american rights.

If you cannot agree that they are receiving unjustified handouts that are being plundered from hard-working, tax paying Americans, then I don't think there's a point to our continuing this discussion (since I certainly won't agree to the contrary ). When Apr. 15th rolls around just keep in mind that a portion of that money is going to some Native American who didn't pay taxes himself as opposed to you/your children/wife/parents/siblings/etc... who do you think is more entitled to it?

This is about ONE NATION's agreement with ANOTHER NATION. It's no different than your US of A giving $4 billion to Turkey, like they just did this week. I don't see you bitching about that.

lol - because no thread was created for it that I could see. I disapprove of any type of foreign aid simply because a portion of that aid came from my pocket and nobody asked me if I wanted it to go to Turkey or Israel or anybody else.

Altruism is evil.

-Warik

 

[ConstantChange]

I only read the first few post and decided not to read the rest. I'm born and raised in Oklahoma aka Indian Territory and attend the University of Oklahoma where I have taken two "Indian" classes; Indian Peoples of Oklahoma and American Indian Injustice.

The class was taught by Dr. Robert Fields...100% "Indian". I learned more in those two classes than I have in 90% of the other university classes I have taken.

I'm not an Indian and had many of the same stereotypes as the rest of you, most of them I no longer have.

First, the government doesn't give anybody anything for free.
Second, Indians DO PAY TAXES just like you and me. Check their pay stubs if you don't believe so.
Third, you can find overweight and alcoholic people in any race.

That's all the arguments I read until I stopped. I could go on and on, but I have a feeling my words are meaningless to most of you, so I won't waste my time.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Land is a finite source, it is limited. More land can not be created. Native Americans were robbed of their land. They were made a bunch of promises that never happened. One of them was that they were told that they would get their own state and they could govern it the way they liked. They were never compensated correctly for their loss of land and such.

The way they were dealt with in the past has a huge significance on them including how the land is treated and governed which basically they have no say because it was taken from them. There population is under 2 million through out the whole country, so don't tell me if they all got together and voted for change then it would happen. How is land acquired or claimed? Usually you get it passed down to you, or you go out and conquer some or claim some land that nobody else has claimed and established as theirs. Regardless of wheither you took this land, you still are on land that truely belongs to the native americans. You reap the benefits of somebody else's land therefore you pay the landlord.

 

[Necrophagia]

Here we fuckin' go. Blame fuckin' Whitey some more.


You stupid fuckin' injun.

 

[grlpwrd]

BUT THEY ARE DEAD. The Native Americans of today are NOT the Native Americans of yesterday! The Native Americans of yesterday would likely be disgusted with what they would see here today.



Yes, but I would still be alive. If my descendents 300 years later do not like being Cuban, they could always leave.



Lol... you have told me NOTHING I don't already know. I went through all of this shit in my early American history course last semester where the teacher continued to talk about the butchery and plunder of the Native Americans perpetrated by the Europeans. The only thing she COULDN'T tell me is why those acts justify the handouts given to the people who never experienced them by the people who never perpetrated them. You still haven't told me that either.

By your logic the great grand daughter of the girl your great grand father cheated on in the 10th grade has the right to seek vengeance on you for his crimes. That's right... someone who was not alive at the same time as the perpetrator is responsible for the crimes committed against someone who was not alive at the same time as the victim.

Please justify your arguments logically. Yes, the Europeans stole their land, etc... but you have still not told me why that means that WE should pay for THEIR crimes.

-Warik

LOL This coming from a guy who hates school.

We don't have to justify and debate. Treaties and contracts between the US and the Native Americans are absolute..or haven't you read up to that part yet.

 

[Warik]

Why don't you run to the State Department and start protesting the billions of dollars in aid, grants, no-interest loans, military equipment and handouts to those countries as well?

Because it is just as futile as doing so in response to Native American, black, and other minority handouts.

You know what? Fuck Israel. Fuck Saudi Arabia. Fuck Turkey. I'm not Israeli, Saudi Arabian, or Turkish. I have not asked them to do anything that they may or may not have done that directly benefits me. They are entitled to NOTHING from me except my charity. Last time I checked, taxes were not charity.

It's not the natives fault a bunch of white folks from Europe came

Nor is it mine.

Why does compensation for crimes we did not commit have to come in the form of money? Why not just designate a portion of the USA to a tribe so that they can run around hunting animals and wearing no clothing like savages (this is what they were doing before the Europeans came... don't you dare try to deny it... or even suggest that it may be any different today if the Euros never showed up) instead of taking my hard-earned money out of my pocket and giving it to someone who doesn't deserve it?

As I said before, EQUAL RIGHTS to all, but with EQUAL RESPONSIBILITIES.

-Warik

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Let's all go to china and take over. Let's slowly take their land and live off of it and give them a whole bunch of empty promises and wait 125 years or so and then basically tell them assimilate into our culture or get lost and you can't have any of our tax money because you weren't alive when the land that was supposed to be passed down eventually to your generation was taken away, instead it's ours because we robbed it from your ancestors and not you so get lost.

 

[Necrophagia]

If you can consider a bunch of retards throwing tomahawks at buffalo's and wearing loin cloths a Nation. We came, we saw, we built this Nation. You still get your share of it. Quit fucking blamey Whitey for everything and bitching that some squaws 300 years ago got their asses kicked. It has nothing to do with YOU.

 

[JohnyJuice]

If you can consider a bunch of retards throwing tomahawks at buffalo's and wearing loin cloths a Nation. We came, we saw, we built this Nation. You still get your share of it. Quit fucking blamey Whitey for everything and bitching that some squaws 300 years ago got their asses kicked. It has nothing to do with YOU.

LOL

 

[atlantabiolab]

>who didn't pay taxes himself

Until you do that, don't bitch about native american nations either. It's not the natives fault a bunch of white folks from Europe came and decided to just "create" their own country and force everyone on the continent to live under theirs.

-= nav =-

The Indian nation is a legally existing nation and deserves to remain sovereign. That being said, they will never amount to anything more than a large commune, with this pathetic victim mentality that pervades many of its people and is promoted to the American public.

I feel as sorry for the Indians who were denied their rights in early American days as much as I feel sorry for the Anglo-Europeans who have had 1000's of years of wars, butchery, and confiscation of lands between themselves.