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My take on Wrestlemania....

Big Brother Val

Big Brother Val

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I know you've alrady discussed this, but I don't work Monday's, so I couldn't post anything yesterday, so don't give me any shit.

The only thing that needs to be talked about it Hogan vs. Rock.

Now... who said Hogan couldn't draw?

Who said he couldn't do it again?

Hmmmmmmm.......... everyone?

I thought so.

How did it feel to eat your words? I bet you felt kinda stupid huh?

Now... you're gonna tell me how the Rock beat Hogan clean, aren't you? You're gonna say that proves Hogan is over the hump. And all the other shit....

Well no shit he's over the hump. The man's 50 years old.

I will say that the match was the most exciting I've seen in years..... possibly ever. I was literally jumping out of my chair.

I did think the Rock was turning heel. The way he carried himself. The way he wrestled. The way he told the crowd to "fuck off" at one point.... the ref had to pull the chair away from the Rock, as they often do with heels... the Rock spitting on Hogan's belt as he whipped Hogan with it.... I thought I was seeing a heel turn. I wondered if he himself would joint the nWo...

When Hogan kicked out of the Rock Bottom, "hulked up"... and the Rock had that "OH SHIT!" face that heels always get... then Hogan dropped the leg... I honestly thought that was it... as a face Hogan could beat a heel Rock. Then when the Rock kicked out, I knew Hogan wouldn't take it. I even called he'd miss the legdrop again, as he did with the Ultimate Warrior.

Then, after the two Rock Bottoms in a row, Rock springs to his feet, does the People's Elbow... 1-2-3. For some reason, when doing the elbow, the crowd cheered... and the Rock suddenly seemed face again.

I didn't mind Hogan losing... as in wrestling, no one really "loses". It's all political. It's all to keep the company successfully rolling.

But if it had been Hogan's last match, I'd be okay with it. It was a great match. I just about shit eggrolls during the whole thing.

So there's the really short version of it.

Hogan did it again.

Even though the story didn't go as I expected, and I thought Rock was going heel, when he actually didn't... it went in a way I didn't expect... which was fabulous.

Can you all say you didn't love the match?

It was huge for 1 reason.

Hogan.

Try to say it isn't so.
 
You also have to remember that HOgan gets cheered in canada always no matter what.

Just look at how the Canadian crowds reaact at shows, they boo people the Americans typically love and cheer the ones you guys hate.

That and I felt after a while watching the Raw from Montreal was that crowd was just plain rabid anyways, one minute they would boo someone the next they were cheering they were all over the place espec those dorks in the front row(for those who watched it, those guys were doing mocking type cheers and bow downs)
 
DOT... I agree. It was said HHH might go heel at Wrestlemania. I REALLY thought Rock was going heel...

But with the roster split, you won't have that many faces on one side.

You have two big faces for each side.

Then Angle, Jericho, Undertaker, Hall and Nash can be your bigger heels. There's even a spot for Booker T to play a bigger heel role.

I think it'll be alright with the Roster split.

I'm just not sure how well that's all gonna play out.

The good thing is, they can keep things going longer. You'd only see Hogan and Rock once a week, rather than twice, so they can drag it out over longer periods of time.
 
Big Brother Val said:
DOT... I agree. It was said HHH might go heel at Wrestlemania. I REALLY thought Rock was going heel...

But with the roster split, you won't have that many faces on one side.

You have two big faces for each side.

Then Angle, Jericho, Undertaker, Hall and Nash can be your bigger heels. There's even a spot for Booker T to play a bigger heel role.

I think it'll be alright with the Roster split.

I'm just not sure how well that's all gonna play out.

The good thing is, they can keep things going longer. You'd only see Hogan and Rock once a week, rather than twice, so they can drag it out over longer periods of time.
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This I agree with things were more fun to watch when it was just Raw once a week or better yet just those territories like back in the mid 80's and earlier.
 
Big Brother Val said:


Who said he couldn't do it again?

Hmmmmmmm.......... everyone?

I thought so.

How did it feel to eat your words? I bet you felt kinda stupid huh?
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For the record, I don't believe that I ever said he couldn't do it again. I think I just said Hogan had a bad attitude and refused to job to anyone in WCW. That was my main problem with him.

And I thought it was an awesome match. Like you, I thought the Rock was going to turn heel, but it was like a seesaw throughout. The Hogan chants, then the Rocky chants, then the HUGE pop at the end for the People's Elbow.

Easily my favorite match that I've seen in the short time I've been watching wrestling.

Oh, and to disagree with you one one point: I don't think anyone other than the Rock could've pulled that match off. The two of them were working the crowd like no one else can. Gotta give some credit to the Rock.
 
Re: Re: My take on Wrestlemania....

TheProject said:


For the record, I don't believe that I ever said he couldn't do it again. I think I just said Hogan had a bad attitude and refused to job to anyone in WCW. That was my main problem with him.

And I thought it was an awesome match. Like you, I thought the Rock was going to turn heel, but it was like a seesaw throughout. The Hogan chants, then the Rocky chants, then the HUGE pop at the end for the People's Elbow.

Easily my favorite match that I've seen in the short time I've been watching wrestling.

Oh, and to disagree with you one one point: I don't think anyone other than the Rock could've pulled that match off. The two of them were working the crowd like no one else can. Gotta give some credit to the Rock.
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Suuure.... now you can talk good about Hogan. It's okay... jump on that bandwagon. :D

Actually, they didn't cheer the Rock until the People's Elbow. And if they did, it was a very small amount.

They'd boo the Rock when he punched Hogan. They booed the Rock when he spinebustered Hogan. Then cheered when Hogan got to his feet first. They cheered Hogan when he whipped Rock with his belt, then booed the Rock when he did the same to Hogan... especially when he spit on the belt.

I really thought he was going heel.

And yes... the Rock did an INCRDIBLE job with Hogan. He sold Hogan like no one I've ever seen. As only the Rock can do.

Rock is fantastic. I won't take that away.

But the magnitude of the match was brought on by Hogan... and his legacy.

Rock against anyone else wouldn't have drawn like that. Where if you had Hogan vs. HHH, or Hogan vs. Austin... it would have drawn more than Rock vs. anyone.

You see what I mean?

I know, I know.... praise the Hogan.
 
I will admit that the Rock sold Hulk even better last night at the beginning of Raw.

And when he started belittling Nash and Hall that was classic.
 
He is in really bad shape. He needs a liver transplant.

I would give him mine if it was not fucked. I may need his old one.
 
Re: Re: Re: My take on Wrestlemania....

Big Brother Val said:



Suuure.... now you can talk good about Hogan. It's okay... jump on that bandwagon. :D

Actually, they didn't cheer the Rock until the People's Elbow. And if they did, it was a very small amount.

They'd boo the Rock when he punched Hogan. They booed the Rock when he spinebustered Hogan. Then cheered when Hogan got to his feet first. They cheered Hogan when he whipped Rock with his belt, then booed the Rock when he did the same to Hogan... especially when he spit on the belt.

I really thought he was going heel.

And yes... the Rock did an INCRDIBLE job with Hogan. He sold Hogan like no one I've ever seen. As only the Rock can do.

Rock is fantastic. I won't take that away.

But the magnitude of the match was brought on by Hogan... and his legacy.

Rock against anyone else wouldn't have drawn like that. Where if you had Hogan vs. HHH, or Hogan vs. Austin... it would have drawn more than Rock vs. anyone.

You see what I mean?

I know, I know.... praise the Hogan.
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Yeah yeah..you know what you can do with your bandwagon. :D

You're right, the magnitude of the match was because of Hogan and his legacy. He's been in the business for so many years, and was such a huge star the whole time that there's no one around that even comes close. He was the biggest face of all time, no question.

Now, if the Rock stays in the business as long as Hogan, I think he'll have a greater legacy.

Oh, and I disagree. I don't think Hogan vs. anyone else would've worked. I can't think of another wrestler in that match that would've made me spend the $40 for the PPV. It was all about Rock/Hogan for me.
 
TheProject said:


Yeah yeah..you know what you can do with your bandwagon. :D

You're right, the magnitude of the match was because of Hogan and his legacy. He's been in the business for so many years, and was such a huge star the whole time that there's no one around that even comes close. He was the biggest face of all time, no question.

Now, if the Rock stays in the business as long as Hogan, I think he'll have a greater legacy.

Oh, and I disagree. I don't think Hogan vs. anyone else would've worked. I can't think of another wrestler in that match that would've made me spend the $40 for the PPV. It was all about Rock/Hogan for me.
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I hear you, my man.

I agree... Rock and Hogan is what made it so spectacular. I would have watched it no matter who Hogan was wrestling. I was just saying that Rock vs. Austin wouldn't have drawn the same as a Hogan vs. Austin match is all.

Rock and Hogan put on a better, more exciting match than any two other stars alive could have pulled.

That was the greatest match of all time.

I recorded it, and have watched it at least 6 times.

I can't get over it.

I was like a kid again... filled with anticipation and excitement.

I was happy with the ending, and sad at the same time. I hate to see Hogan get beat, but he didn't really get beat. He just did what was necessary.

It was like watching the young martial arts guy finally be able to take down his master.

You had the young, strong, energetic Rock, take down the aged, strong veteran Hogan. The two walking back up the ramp together was a site to see.

And was it just me, or was the Rock almost teary-eyed at the end in front of the Titantron, when Hogan raised his hand again, and said that Rock was the best?
 
freak daddy said:

LMAO!! I can't deny the match BBV. It was one of the greatest wrestling moments EVER!! A truely special moment.
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I can't agree more, my friend.

I talk about it all day with my friends.

I still get excited when I think about it.

What a match.

As you said, it really was a special moment.

It seemed to last forever, yet pass in mere seconds at the same time.

Absolutely incredible.
 
Days of the Tantric said:
I read that El Dandy and Kwee Wee are the next members of the nWo.
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Nah. El Dandy will resurrect the LWO. Or maybe the bWo... (Burrito World Order)... he's too damn good for the nWo.

But I do wonder if they'll rename the nWo... because if X-Pac (Nooooooo!) comes back, and Shawn Michaels comes back, you'll have DX members, and nWo members... so what would they be called?

The Kliq? Maybe?
 
Big Brother Val said:



I hear you, my man.

I agree... Rock and Hogan is what made it so spectacular. I would have watched it no matter who Hogan was wrestling. I was just saying that Rock vs. Austin wouldn't have drawn the same as a Hogan vs. Austin match is all.

Rock and Hogan put on a better, more exciting match than any two other stars alive could have pulled.

That was the greatest match of all time.

I recorded it, and have watched it at least 6 times.

I can't get over it.

I was like a kid again... filled with anticipation and excitement.

I was happy with the ending, and sad at the same time. I hate to see Hogan get beat, but he didn't really get beat. He just did what was necessary.

It was like watching the young martial arts guy finally be able to take down his master.

You had the young, strong, energetic Rock, take down the aged, strong veteran Hogan. The two walking back up the ramp together was a site to see.

And was it just me, or was the Rock almost teary-eyed at the end in front of the Titantron, when Hogan raised his hand again, and said that Rock was the best?
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Yeah, we're in agreement about Rock/Austin vs. Hogan/Austin.

I was extremely happy with the ending, but I was pulling for the Rock all the way through. I thought all along this was going to be a passing of the torch match, but my fear was that Nash and Hall would run in and break up the pin.

Rock could've been teary-eyed, I don't remember. I think his admiration for the man is genuine.
 
The reason Hogan wouldn't job to anyone in WCW (although he did on rare occassions) is because there was no one WORTHY enough for him to job to.

Look at who he had for opponents:

The Giant (Big Show) Ger real. Couldn't wrestle his way out of a wet dream.

Lex Luger : The biggest failure around.

Sting : washed up and over the hill. His physique has deteroirated horribly. He has become lame and copy cat-ish.

DDP : get a clue. He is still just a mid carder.

WCW never built any REAL superstars like the WWF does. In WCW you were either a star or you were not. They tried to make one with Goldberg, but it ended up being ridiculous. He only had one expression - that slack jaw. Thank god I don't have to look at that anymore.
 
TheProject said:


Yeah, we're in agreement about Rock/Austin vs. Hogan/Austin.

I was extremely happy with the ending, but I was pulling for the Rock all the way through. I thought all along this was going to be a passing of the torch match, but my fear was that Nash and Hall would run in and break up the pin.

Rock could've been teary-eyed, I don't remember. I think his admiration for the man is genuine.
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I thought there would be a run-in... until before the match when Hogan told Hall and Nash not to run in.

I'm glad there wasn't.

I REALLY thought the Rock was turning heel though. I was convinced.

But oh yeah... I'm really glad it was a clean win. Even without Hogan being victorious. I'm happy for him. He must have felt great with that type of ovation.
 
Jae said:
The reason Hogan wouldn't job to anyone in WCW (although he did on rare occassions) is because there was no one WORTHY enough for him to job to.

Look at who he had for opponents:

The Giant (Big Show) Ger real. Couldn't wrestle his way out of a wet dream.

Lex Luger : The biggest failure around.

Sting : washed up and over the hill. His physique has deteroirated horribly. He has become lame and copy cat-ish.

DDP : get a clue. He is still just a mid carder.

WCW never built any REAL superstars like the WWF does. In WCW you were either a star or you were not. They tried to make one with Goldberg, but it ended up being ridiculous. He only had one expression - that slack jaw. Thank god I don't have to look at that anymore.
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um you left out El Dandy bro.
 
Jae... I think you're right. I wouldn't wanna job to those guys either.

But hey... he jobbed to freakin' Kidman... what... 5 times in a row?

And Nature Boy... The Dandy was too busy conquering all of South America to play in the ring with Hogan.

That or he was on the shitter most of the time, after that damn 100 burritos for a dollar deal at Glenn's House of Tacos.
 
Well 1st off I have to say the Hogan vs Rock match was one of the best matches I have seen since the Hogan vs Warrior at wrestlemania 6 and the steamboat vs savage match in I THINK wresltemania 3.

Ive been watching wrestling for 24 yrs, ive seen every wrestlemania live, and every pay per view since wrestlemania 1 (which was the 1st pay per view wrestling event )since I think hogan was a bad guy and classy freddy blassie was his manager…and this match is without a doubt one of the greatest ever! I was amazed at how the hogan fans and the old hogan fans who got tired of him after the 1st year of now in the wcw finally came around again and realized how great hogan really is. I mean the crowd and cheering at the Hogan vs Rock match was UNREAL!! I havent seen the fans SCREAM like that since he beat yokozuna after yokozuna beat brett hart in I think wrestlenania 9 or something…I mean unreal!! And even the leg drop which has been played out for years,, the fans went BALLISTIC when they saw him drop the leg.
And the way they screamed, I mean really screamed when hogan would knock rock down and then do old school hogan and pose and freak out..the fans ate it up and went nuts…even the rock finally realized the amount of hogan fans when they booed rock and cheered hogan, you could see the rocks face and had the look of like “well fuck you then fans if you don’t like me” he literally had the look of hate for the fans. I mean shit when hogan did his “psych out” which in the past 3-4 yrs when that happens the crowd would be like “oh here we go again with the pysch out and regaining strength”, this time the fans LOVED it they screamed as if it was 1984 allover again with rock vs sheik, AMAZING. Like I said I havent seen them cheer hogan like this in along time..it was, as they say, pandamonium reminiscent of the cheers hogan and mr t got in wrestlemania 1, DEAFENING, I remember the tv cameras would literally shake from all the noise. What happened with the Hogan vs Rock match was just like what happened in wrestlemania 3 when andre passed the torch to hogan, now hogan passed the torch to the rock after seeing the staying power the rock has. FYI this is only the 2nd time since hogan had the belt in 1984 that he legitamately lost a match in the wwf, the 1st time was wrestlemania 6 with hogan vs ultimate warrior where hogan decided he should lose the match, but we all know what happened next..it was only a matter of yrs before the warrior became another flash in the pan. I mean he’d pop up here and there but just couldn’t stick with it.

Bottom line, the Hogan vs Rock match was unreal, I got chills like I used to when I was a kid, the crowd was amazing, I wish I could have been there, im for sure gonna go see hogan one of these days at a smackdown or raw.

Long live “the Hogan”
 
Very well said. Great job capturing the excitement of the whole experience.

And I agree with you. I've seen 'em all... but they pale in comparison to this match.

It's all over the on the internet...

Even of WWF.com... the recap of Raw when the Rock got booed.... they actually write that... I thought for sure they'd leave that part out.

The fans were all over Hogan.

And I am very happy for him.

That has to feel really good.

And the man deserves it.


MY GOD WHAT A MOMENT IN WRESTLING HISTORY THAT WAS!!
 
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