My response to HanzNZ's constant USA bashing

[Mandinka2]

HANZ - I would love to beat you to a slow death with a Kosher bat!....Na*i M**fer!

Now you know the level of genius that awaits your well thought out posts. The irony of this post is so circular : beating to death , a Jewish reference and fo course our ol friends the Nazis , and all of it completely lost upon the author. Awww , so cute.
I might disagree with the guy on some things, hell I'll even admit to bein a homophobe but he sure makes a decent argument.

 

[Sinistar]

hey steelworker, heres a way you can stop the protests: jump off a building at them!!!

 

[JohnyJuice]

Now you know the level of genius that awaits your well thought out posts. The irony of this post is so circular : beating to death , a Jewish reference and fo course our ol friends the Nazis , and all of it completely lost upon the author. Awww , so cute.
I might disagree with the guy on some things, hell I'll even admit to bein a homophobe but he sure makes a decent argument.

Has being a prolific typer and thoroughly explaining the ass backwardsness of his beliefs doesnt make them well though out. He just articulates on points that are borderline retarded.

Oh well. Hanz is probably a decent guy, but when all you have to go buy are his veiws on something that you are in complete disagreement with, it pisses people off, ya know? I get pissed as fuck at the dude, bu then need to step back and realise this.

 

[Frackal]

We are invading Iraq to begin "A new American Century" as an Imperial nation. That is the main reason, IMO.

I can see why Europe is upset.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I think we all give to much credence to those that will always oppose US policies. We are the big dog and it goes with the territory. Jealousy and envy are usually at work. When push comes to shove, try to find an American that would prefer living in another country and dealing with their policies. Even the anti-war faggots wouldn't leave the dear USA.

There are many countries I would prefer to live in if I had a good income there. I have every intention of moving if I come into money somehow.

The faults of America are absolutely staggering and the trends are as well. The dollar is our God.

I have few complaints about Americans, it is the system that is sick.

 

[Mandinka2]

Has being a prolific typer and thoroughly explaining the ass backwardsness of his beliefs doesnt make them well though out. He just articulates on points that are borderline retarded.

Oh well. Hanz is probably a decent guy, but when all you have to go buy are his veiws on something that you are in complete disagreement with, it pisses people off, ya know? I get pissed as fuck at the dude, bu then need to step back and realise this.

Point taken chum. He certainly ain't easy on the keyboards LOL!

 

[maximized]

you know, i have yet to hear anyone who opposes the war with saddam to give a clear, logical reason why he should not be taken out. point in hand "Saddam is not the greatest threat to the middle east anymore" im totally open to hearing and discussing but until someone who is not ignorant comes forth with good reasons, then i wont. and thats not a flame to you, hansnz...have your opinion, but so far (and i havnt read all your posts) it still is in my ignorant group.

-max

 

[Mandinka2]

you know, i have yet to hear anyone who opposes the war with saddam to give a clear, logical reason why he should not be taken out. point in hand "Saddam is not the greatest threat to the middle east anymore" im totally open to hearing and discussing but until someone who is not ignorant comes forth with good reasons, then i wont. and thats not a flame to you, hansnz...have your opinion, but so far (and i havnt read all your posts) it still is in my ignorant group.

-max

No I agree with you Max , he should be taken out , he has tortured and killed enough , but at what price? How many more will die and will the people of Iraq be truly free to elect their own government even if that government turned out to be Islamic? I doubt it ,we'll just supplant one dictatorial regime with another.

 

[grlpwrd]

Re: Re: My response to HanzNZ's constant USA bashing

It is so typical of people who disagree with the USA to be called American bashers. I am entitled to disagree with American policy. Considering how much Americans preach about free speech you sure hate it when it doesn't work in your favour.



Just because people don't like what the USA is doing doesn't automatically mean we love Saddam. He marched into a neighbouring country using an army that was built up by Western arms and American money.

Saddam is not the greatest threat to the middle east anymore. 1991 fixed that. It is US politicians and the US media which is inventing this "fact". The greatest trouble maker in the Middle East is Israel and its master the USA. Fine you may not agree with that opinion. But many people believe this to be so. That is called free thinking. If our observations conclude that the USA's policies are a source of problems then we are indeed American bashers. We don't have to concur that the USA is all wonderful.



Are you saying that other people have no right to have an opinion about this? Only Americans are entitled to opinions about the rest of the world? Only Americans are entitled to cast countless dispursions against other countries as they constantly do on this very discussion board. Considering the USA interferes in every corner of the world then I think it is somewhat hypocritical to imply that others are not allowed to have opinions about events outside their borders. It is also an example of American parochialism to think that what goes on outside one's own border is irrelevant.

This board is FULL of Americans putting forward their views. I am quite clearly outnumbered when I post. Plenty of people take the opportunity to attack what I have to say. In fact many go further and attack me as a person. I continue to post anyway because when Americans say things that are of dubious credibility I don't see why I should sit back and endorse it with my silence. This is an international site. It is not the sole preserve of the USA or the american media which basically perpetuates the perceptions that americans choose to have about themselves and their country. For challenging those perceptions I do not appologise.



We haven't asked you to do this. Quite the opposite. We beg you not to. Please DON'T "save" us.



Considering Iraq was weaker than these countries in the 1990s this seems unlikely.



I have already responded to this arrogant assertion in another thread.

So what do you propose we do with Saddam..hold hands and sing give peace a chance?

 

[maximized]

there are 2 main reasons for me. first off, i beieve that there is no price for taking him out. i 100% believe that he has nuclear and chemical weapons. who do you think his main target would be, and thats not saying that he would do it, but sell it to some terrorist to do it..either way, its his. with his wealth and his evil intentions, if we let him go as he pleases, he will use weapons of mass destruction on us. someone has to keep these kind of people in check before they grow too strong for us to defeat leader and cause real damage. people may be anti-US right now and anti-war, but they need to look at the future. to say saddam is not a threat to us and the world is insane to me. and in the world we live in, its going to be the US that will be the main hand in any 'world police' activities. if that makes us the 'so called' bad guys, then id prefer to live as a bad guy and in a more peaceful world than as just another country that could have stopped the madness way back when but didnt because so many 'civilians' oppose. which leads to my 2nd point. i say civilians because it is ludicrous if they believe that everything the military knows, they pass on. i have faith in the US like i have faith in a religion kinda. not on the same level, but i hope you understand. there is so much the public doesnt know because it would cause public fear, etc when there would be no need if the military did what needs to be done. what if (and this is an extreme what if) but, what if saddam had plans to place a nuclear bomb in nyc or dc on april 10th. and the military knew it. they arent going to tell the public. that would cause mass histeria, looting, and tear up the country. instead, they are going to go and take out saddam and iraq and hope that stops the attack. so the motives of war, etc that we dont know, also makes me pretty much always have faith the US is doing the right thing. and i say this, yet ill be sent there in the months to come (though im not military anymore), so its not like im saying this and then sending someone in my stead to the front line...ill be there as well...

max