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My questions on SUST

ryno9000

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I have some questions for people who have tried/use/used Sust 250. It seems that lots of folks on EF among other places are crazy about having super stable blood levels. I agree when it comes to certain drugs esp. TEST. This seems like something that is IMPOSSIBLE to do with Sust, given its mix of long and short esters, and the ratios of them. Some people say you should shoot EOD with it to take advantage of it's prop content, but even at half mL, this seems like you would be getting a buttload of test (not necessarily bad). Also, how many of you guys prefer a single ester over a mixed ester like sust? What are the advantages of Sust? I'd like to hear some rants and raves on this one, haters and lovers alike. Ready? Go!

Oh yeah, I meant to add: What is the difference between Propionate and PHENYLpropionate? And don't tell me that one has PHEYNL in front of the name, cuz I figured that shitz on meye ownz. What does the PHEYNL do that makes it so much cooler?
 
i used sust250 in my first cycle 1cc e5d.

i was taking winstrol 50mg oral ED as well...

i had no issues with this injection schedule, actually you could probably shoot once a week if you really felt like it, but i would recommend 2x a week just for a slightly smoother ride...

no sides (from the test at least) just solid lean gains... ~15 pound gain with ~5 pound fat loss.

sustanon has the decanoate ester in it which is actually a slower release than test enanthate... everyone says all this crap about the fast esters in sust, but the bulk of sust is in the long esters so i would use it just the same i would use any long ester... the short esters are just a nice bonus giving you an extra kick on injection day.
 
i used sust250 in my first cycle 1cc e5d.

i was taking winstrol 50mg oral ED as well...

i had no issues with this injection schedule, actually you could probably shoot once a week if you really felt like it, but i would recommend 2x a week just for a slightly smoother ride...

no sides (from the test at least) just solid lean gains... ~15 pound gain with ~5 pound fat loss.

sustanon has the decanoate ester in it which is actually a slower release than test enanthate... everyone says all this crap about the fast esters in sust, but the bulk of sust is in the long esters so i would use it just the same i would use any long ester... the short esters are just a nice bonus giving you an extra kick on injection day.

+1

I prefer longer esters like Test-E or C because test levels remain more stable when done 2 X wk. Also I find them much cheaper than SUS or Andropen, but if you don't mind spending the extra $$$ go for SUS.
 
half-life tapering effect

clinical patients inject sus once per month

either way the half-life of sus is 15-18 days

propionate - 4.5 days

phenylpropionate - 4.5 days (not sure how this differs chemically from the normal prop ester)

isocaproate - 9 days

decanoate - 15 days
 
Thanks fellas! I took 2 seconds to look into it a little further (behold the power of Google!):

Testosterone Phenylpropionate
Chemical Name: Testosterone Phenylpropionate
Drug Class: Injectable Anabolic Steroid
This version of Testosterone was first popularized under the name “Testolent” and was produced by the Sicomed Pharmaceutical house. For awhile, is was a rare find on the black market, but the recent availability of various powders and the emergence of all the various underground labs, have made this version of testosterone more readily available. It’s simply Testosterone with the Phenylpropionate ester attached, which we usually see more commonly attached to the Nandrolone base compound, giving us Durabolin (often called NPP, which is short for Nandrolone Phenylpropionate). I guess this would be called “TPP” for short…

This particular ester gives us an active life of 4-5 days, falling just between the Propionate (short) and Cypionate (long) versions of Testosterone. I recently had the opportunity to try this compound, and actually like it quite a bit- it’s perfect for someone like me who likes short esters like propionate, but is too forgetful to inject every other day! Clearly, you’d get best results shooting this compound every third or fourth day, or roughly twice a week. Other than the unique ester, there’s nothing much to say about TPP that isn’t applicable to any other form of testosterone.

Personally, I’ve experienced less water retention with TPP when compared with testosterone Cypionate, or Enanthate, and really no more than I’ve experienced with Testosterone Propionate.

Testosterone exerts its effects by promoting increased nitrogen retention in the muscle (1). Testosterone also increases levels of the growth factor IGF-1 in both the muscle tissue and the liver.(2) Testosterone, regardless of the ester, also has the ability to increase the activity of satellite cells,(3) which play an active role in repairing damaged muscle. Testosterone exerts these effects primarily by genomic mechanisms, meaning that it binds to the androgen receptor (AR) and initiates gene transcription to deliver its message. Stimulation of the AR promotes various of the AR dependant mechanisms for both muscle gain and fat loss (4), as well as reducing catabolic glucocorticoid hormones (4), and increasing red blood cell production (5).

Testosterone, once in the body, can be converted to both estrogen (through a process known as aromatization) as well as Dihydrotestosterone (through a process known as 5alpha-reduction). Estrogen is typically the catalyst for many side effects such as gynocomastia, water retention, etc...while DHT is often behind hair loss and prostate enlargement.

Due to its recent reemergence on the black market, and high availability, the cost of TPP is currently low, and I predict it will become very popular in coming years.

References:

1. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1997 Feb;82(2):407-13.

2. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Mar;282(3):E601-7.

3. Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2004 May;7(3):271-7.

4. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Mar;282(3):E601-7.

5. Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2004 May;7(3):271-7.



But, going back to my question cuz I'd like to hear more...Do you guys think that Sust and it's ester mix is more effective than a single ester? Less effective? In what areas? More sides? Also, seems like Every 5 days would make the Prop in the mix not that worthwhile. I don't know though.
 
Good question man, i have only used sus but was real happy with it.
and i dont read to much into the stable blood levels, i shot mon and thurs,
so there is always gonna be some test in your system!
 
sust was created for hrt, so you can take one shot a month. thats why there are so many different esters, some that act quickly, and some that are slower.
 
sust was created for hrt, so you can take one shot a month. thats why there are so many different esters, some that act quickly, and some that are slower.

one shot a month?

you're joking right bor?

I used to do susta 250 either every 3 days or eod.

It's got some prop in it too...
 
one shot a month?

you're joking right bor?

I used to do susta 250 either every 3 days or eod.

It's got some prop in it too...


no. im serious. for hrt, its usually once a month. i highly doubt a doc would perscribe 250mg eod
 
Breaking it down,

Sustanon 250:

Test. propionate: 30 mg
Test. phenylpropionate: 60 mg
Test. isocaproate: 60 mg
Test. decanoate: 100 mg

For the tiny 30 mg per amp of prop, I can't see the point of injecting it eod.

I think a happy medium is every 3.5 - 5 days.

I'm not physically aware of any fluctuations in test level using that scheme.

I use Sustanon mainly because it is so cheap and readily available (OTC) where I live.

I plan to try enanthate on my next cycle, so I'll report back on any differences I experience.
 
one shot a month?

you're joking right bor?

I used to do susta 250 either every 3 days or eod.

It's got some prop in it too...

he's not kidding

check out my post esp the half-lives, sure there's prop in it but there is also isocaproate and decanoate

there's a difference if you're cycling as opposed to taking it for clinical reasons (HRT)

the short and long ester combination was designed for a sustained release of test into the blood....and yes a once per month shot is recommended
 
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