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silver_shadow
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quads, maybe even calves.JKurz1 said:
having said that, i always have at least a day or two of rest before deadlifting anyway.
My Quest to COMPETE - BEAT THE DISEASE!
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having said that, i always have at least a day or two of rest before deadlifting anyway.
JKurz1
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My weight is going through the floor...not sure why, except for the above ":cardio" which I doubt but more because of a lack of appetite, eating 1/2 meals, etc...162 today.....down 8 lbs.
My energy levels which were high at the beginning are now very very low....I am severly depressed because of my shoulder. But now, I;m thinking it's more of a pulled muscle in my back. Help me diagnose.......it hurts like a friggn bitch to extend my arm all the way forward like a front raise or to do a bent over reverse fly.....chest flys? forget it. If you take your left hand and put it over your right shoulder then extened your middle finger as far down you back as possible, like right shoulder blade rear delt area, what is this? I can still deadlift, I can still to 2 handed seateded rows or tbar rows, but a one arm dbell row with that arm, forget it....any ideas?
Also, since I have gone 5x5 for the past few weeks and I nailed 325 last week, I want to alternate as I have heard that is the key...to keep shocking the body, stmulate growth and I need to eat.....so I did five of five last week ending with 280x5 than 325x1......if I do 4-5 sets today of 6-8, how do I determine the correct poundage? is this a great decision?
My energy levels which were high at the beginning are now very very low....I am severly depressed because of my shoulder. But now, I;m thinking it's more of a pulled muscle in my back. Help me diagnose.......it hurts like a friggn bitch to extend my arm all the way forward like a front raise or to do a bent over reverse fly.....chest flys? forget it. If you take your left hand and put it over your right shoulder then extened your middle finger as far down you back as possible, like right shoulder blade rear delt area, what is this? I can still deadlift, I can still to 2 handed seateded rows or tbar rows, but a one arm dbell row with that arm, forget it....any ideas?
Also, since I have gone 5x5 for the past few weeks and I nailed 325 last week, I want to alternate as I have heard that is the key...to keep shocking the body, stmulate growth and I need to eat.....so I did five of five last week ending with 280x5 than 325x1......if I do 4-5 sets today of 6-8, how do I determine the correct poundage? is this a great decision?
My advice would be to stick with that rep range Jkurz, till you quit hitting PR's every week. Then, only after you fail would I mess with rep ranges. I think just lifting heavier each week is enough 'shock' for the body. Good job on the 325, that's my goal on DL for next week.
Vascular Freak
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I have been skimming through this thread, it is rather large so i didn't catch every post but I can see that your ultimate goal is to put on some muscle without adding any fat and feeling healthy and strong once again.
I have been where you are at one point when I was trying to lean out for the first time in my life (naturally estrogenic and endomorphic). To make a long story short bro you are battling with your mind which keeps telling you to eat less and train more. If I were you I would do cardio in the am (empty stomach) 2x per week, 40 mins at about 150 bpm (heartrate). Then add in 3 20 min sessions after training. Don't train more than 5 days per week. If you are not "on" bro you are simply driving down test levels and jacking cortisol.....seriously which is a negative downward spiral.
When you overtrain, test drops, gains slow, depression sets in, cortisol increases, muscles flatten out, metabolism slow, lower back and ab fat increases, and overall you feel like a "fat-skinny" kid.
If you are a low carb person, just start out by eating carbs around training time, pre and post and keep protein intake through the roof. There is no need to feel hungry when dieting, grab some chicken, turkey or tuna and go to town.
Trust me bro, you need to get your metabolism and natty test levels elevated by training hard, eating solid, and RESTING. Hit the gym for 45 minutes hard and get the hell out. Make yourself crave walking into the weightroom, not dread it. Remember when you first started training and you could not wait to hit the weights, that is how you'll feel if you take some more rest days and forget about training. Just keep on the diet and come back ready to train.
I was at an all time low in body weight, test levels, emotional swings etc. i was lean but very "thin", like an underwear model type look. It took a while of gradually increasing calories and rest periods. Now, I year later I am 30 lbs heavier at the same bf% and same waste size etc. I train less (but just as hard), eat more, and am much happier.
Any way, I only read the first 4 pages of this thread but I can feel where your coming from bro. Just think how lucky you are to be lean and afraid to be fat than obese wishing you could be skinny.
I have been where you are at one point when I was trying to lean out for the first time in my life (naturally estrogenic and endomorphic). To make a long story short bro you are battling with your mind which keeps telling you to eat less and train more. If I were you I would do cardio in the am (empty stomach) 2x per week, 40 mins at about 150 bpm (heartrate). Then add in 3 20 min sessions after training. Don't train more than 5 days per week. If you are not "on" bro you are simply driving down test levels and jacking cortisol.....seriously which is a negative downward spiral.
When you overtrain, test drops, gains slow, depression sets in, cortisol increases, muscles flatten out, metabolism slow, lower back and ab fat increases, and overall you feel like a "fat-skinny" kid.
If you are a low carb person, just start out by eating carbs around training time, pre and post and keep protein intake through the roof. There is no need to feel hungry when dieting, grab some chicken, turkey or tuna and go to town.
Trust me bro, you need to get your metabolism and natty test levels elevated by training hard, eating solid, and RESTING. Hit the gym for 45 minutes hard and get the hell out. Make yourself crave walking into the weightroom, not dread it. Remember when you first started training and you could not wait to hit the weights, that is how you'll feel if you take some more rest days and forget about training. Just keep on the diet and come back ready to train.
I was at an all time low in body weight, test levels, emotional swings etc. i was lean but very "thin", like an underwear model type look. It took a while of gradually increasing calories and rest periods. Now, I year later I am 30 lbs heavier at the same bf% and same waste size etc. I train less (but just as hard), eat more, and am much happier.
Any way, I only read the first 4 pages of this thread but I can feel where your coming from bro. Just think how lucky you are to be lean and afraid to be fat than obese wishing you could be skinny.
Vascular Freak
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mikefear said:i've never had a 'cheat meal'
Your much better off bro. Cheat meals are simply that cheating, not helping to assist gains..... Now a higher calorie meal or day is great. Keep eating clean just increase your portion size. Cheat meals mess with your mind, as water levels and rise and drop making tracking progress difficult. Plus most tend to oncrease the frequency of their cheat meals as times goes by which makes eating clean bb'ing food grueling.
BiggT
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Jeff.....I wish the term "shock" your muscles was never created. The stupidity behind it is mind-numbing.
The key, so to speak, is simple progression. Change is done out of necessity to get through a roadblock, if there is no roadblock, why take the detour??
If you're training for a marathon and all is going well and you're gradually building mileage, do you suddenly "shock" your body and quit what you're doing to do something you're unconditioned for to 'mix things up'?? of course not......that' as idiotic as making progress every single week on the deadlift and suddenly changing things........your weightroom stuff is fine, you're progressing.....as for the scale, if you don't eat it won't move.
As for the shoulder......have you done anything to aggrevate it? If you haven't done anything to make it worse, and it still isn't getting any better, go see a doc to rule anything serious out......more than likely they'll give you a script for Ibuprofen and tell you to 'be careful' , lol, so long as your range of motion is there.
The key, so to speak, is simple progression. Change is done out of necessity to get through a roadblock, if there is no roadblock, why take the detour??
If you're training for a marathon and all is going well and you're gradually building mileage, do you suddenly "shock" your body and quit what you're doing to do something you're unconditioned for to 'mix things up'?? of course not......that' as idiotic as making progress every single week on the deadlift and suddenly changing things........your weightroom stuff is fine, you're progressing.....as for the scale, if you don't eat it won't move.
As for the shoulder......have you done anything to aggrevate it? If you haven't done anything to make it worse, and it still isn't getting any better, go see a doc to rule anything serious out......more than likely they'll give you a script for Ibuprofen and tell you to 'be careful' , lol, so long as your range of motion is there.
