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My Post Cycle Experience without clomid...

thetruth12

thetruth12

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Ok bros, so i've been reading the constant debates over what works best post cycle, mainly battles between Nelson Montana and the rest of the board, lol... Anyways, I decided to give part of Nelson's theory of no clomid, with some of my own additions a try, because clomid has always messed with my vision and i've broken out badly while on it.... My cycle was Test Suspension 100mg ed for 6 weeks, Winny 50mg ed for 6, then I switched and finished with prop alone at 600mg/wk for weeks 7-8..... I started the cycle at 175lbs, (i'm 5'10), and ended at 195.... I've been off for two weeks now and heres what my post cycle recovery regimine has looked like.....

Avena Sativa 2500 mg/ ed
Maca 900 mg/ ed
Zinc 150mg/ ed
r-ALA 500mg/ ed
NoX2 by pinnacle 6000mg/ ed
Clen 80mcg/ ed
Cell-Tech 1 serving post workout every day
Liquidex .25mg/ ed
P-Seven 1/8 pipette 2x a day
Yohimburn 1 dose a day on abs

Well, after two weeks my weight is at 191 lbs, my balls are at about 80% of their normal size (they shrunk down pretty badly at about week 5 of my cycle). My sex drive is through the roof, my girlfriend said my dick got considerably bigger!! No acne as of yet, no depression as of yet, and my bodyfat is noticably lower than while on.... I honestly think I look better now than when I finished the cycle....
Just to be clear, Nelson doesn't suggest the use of most of the stuff I took, but I credit his advice on taking Avena Sativa in extremely large doses and Maca for getting my libido up and natural test working again.... For what its worth, I've been very successful post cycle without clomid.... I think the fact that I was psychologically ready to come off helped, plus adding new supps like P-Seven and NoX2 got me psyched up, I definately think coming off is part psychological..... Later bros

TheTruth
 
HULKSTER said:
Did you purchase a bra yet?
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No, your girl left her's at my apartment the other night, I was figuring I could just use that if I needed it..... Thanks though, it was definately more productive to make a joke (and an unoriginal one at that) rather than point out what I am doing that could hurt me.

TheTruth
 
Glad to hear it went well for you Truth. Of course, I knew it will. Actually, your post cycle choices were pretty good.

Don't expect many responses to this. There are few people who want to face the fact that they've been wrong about Clomid, or god forbid-- I was right about it.

Better gains, no crash, no side effects,no drop in libido, no gyno. Hell, half the guys doing Clomid aren't doing that well, but if they did...they'd credit the Clomid.
 
I also quit doing clomid because of the headaches and screwed up vision. I hated life while on it, and I had no appetite. I used Avena Sativa at 2000mg and Maca at 1000mg a day (bought from BAC) along with zinc citrate at 200mg a day. I felt great and had strength increases within 2 weeks of ending the cycle. I went up 20lbs at the peak of my cycle, but started to cut, and made a net gain of 15lbs at the last day of the cycle. It's been about 3 weeks since I ended and I am still up 13lbs, but that can be attributed to the loss of a nice amount of bodyfat and water retention.

I'm very sensitive to gyno and I noticed my glands get a little swollen a few days ago so I'm on low dose nolvadex to combat that.

I'm very impressed with the results of this stuff and I hope I never have to rely on clomid again. My cycle was pretty mild, only EQ and anavar, but I certainly was shut down while on cycle.

BTW I have semi-wood all day and I get hard as a rock very easily and sex is better than ever with maca and avena sativa.
 
Avena Sativa is the shit! I've been taking 1g twice daily and feel like a walking hard-on....LOL. I've recovered so much better this time around while including the Avena Sativa in my post cycle regime.

I'm not going to stop taking it...I almost feel like it's anabolic in a way....perhaps it really does increase test levels.
 
glad to hear post cycle is going good, i never use clomid, strictly zinc, avena sativa, and maca. never had a problem. good to see you back nelson i was hoping you would come back.
foo
 
Good post. I also have problems while on clomid, mainly visual. I was looking for info on what I could do, post cycle, to replace clomid in the future. I have been off clomid for 3 weeks and still get tracers sometimes at night.
 
TheTruth12 said:
Ok bros, so i've been reading the constant debates over what works best post cycle, mainly battles between Nelson Montana and the rest of the board, lol... Anyways, I decided to give part of Nelson's theory of no clomid, with some of my own additions a try, because clomid has always messed with my vision and i've broken out badly while on it.... My cycle was Test Suspension 100mg ed for 6 weeks, Winny 50mg ed for 6, then I switched and finished with prop alone at 600mg/wk for weeks 7-8..... I started the cycle at 175lbs, (i'm 5'10), and ended at 195.... I've been off for two weeks now and heres what my post cycle recovery regimine has looked like.....

Avena Sativa 2500 mg/ ed
Maca 900 mg/ ed
Zinc 150mg/ ed
r-ALA 500mg/ ed
NoX2 by pinnacle 6000mg/ ed
Clen 80mcg/ ed
Cell-Tech 1 serving post workout every day
Liquidex .25mg/ ed
P-Seven 1/8 pipette 2x a day
Yohimburn 1 dose a day on abs

Well, after two weeks my weight is at 191 lbs, my balls are at about 80% of their normal size (they shrunk down pretty badly at about week 5 of my cycle). My sex drive is through the roof, my girlfriend said my dick got considerably bigger!! No acne as of yet, no depression as of yet, and my bodyfat is noticably lower than while on.... I honestly think I look better now than when I finished the cycle....
Just to be clear, Nelson doesn't suggest the use of most of the stuff I took, but I credit his advice on taking Avena Sativa in extremely large doses and Maca for getting my libido up and natural test working again.... For what its worth, I've been very successful post cycle without clomid.... I think the fact that I was psychologically ready to come off helped, plus adding new supps like P-Seven and NoX2 got me psyched up, I definately think coming off is part psychological..... Later bros

TheTruth
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i have a couple of questions....im not familiar with some of the things u sused post cycle.....exactly what is avena sativa, and where do u get it, along with r-ALA, and maca....im not familiar with the effects of these threee and would like to be enlightend!
 
I had the same positive experience after a 3 weeks cycle. I think my clomids' days are behind me now.
 
this is interesting......i am a advocate of clomid but am interested in hearing more about the post cycle experience you are having truth. keep us updated over the next few weeks as it usually takes a month for you to really see if you've been successful or not.
 
Well, I did last post cycle recovery with Clomid and HCG and restore very fast. No vision problems, keep my gains, no side effects. For me they doing well. And I used only 20 mg Clomid by day for 20 days and HCG for two weeks at 2500 dosage each 5 days.
Maybe difrerence is that you had to use great quantity of severals products at same time. You used natural products to counterattack a problem that was produced by compounds that affect your hormonal system (pharmaceutical compounds, AAS), so you would need a complet legion of natural products to do that
 
Originally posted by Tricepratus

You used natural products to counterattack a problem that was produced by compounds that affect your hormonal system (pharmaceutical compounds, AAS), so you would need a complete legion of natural products to do that [/B]
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Um...yeah. That's the idea.

Oh, I keep forgetting. Why do things naturally when you can just take another drug, even if it has nasty side effects.

When will I ever learn?
 
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ArnoldColeman said:


i have a couple of questions....im not familiar with some of the things u sused post cycle.....exactly what is avena sativa, and where do u get it, along with r-ALA, and maca....im not familiar with the effects of these threee and would like to be enlightend!
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I'm interested in this!!!
 
awesome, congrads guys.

This is great, would there be any benefit in using these products WITH clomid?? Becuase i actually feel great when i take clomid, no acne, doesn't emotionally bother me...i actually feel really good on it.

So can i use the in conjunction with it?

M56M
 
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Dial_tone said:


Avena Sativa is a libido enhancer, beyond-a-century.com
r-ALA, some glucose enhancing contraption from anabolicfitness.com (glucorell)
maca, no idea whatsoever.
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Cheers dialtone,

Maca anyone???
 
Rich_d: Maca is also a libido enhancing drug.

Nelson, you say that high doses of Avena Sativa are necessary to be most effective. What doses do you recommend?

I tend to see most guys running avena sativa and maca together which is why I did it myself; are these two the most effective?
 
DeepZenPill said:
Rich_d: Maca is also a libido enhancing drug.

Nelson, you say that high doses of Avena Sativa are necessary to be most effective. What doses do you recommend?

I tend to see most guys running avena sativa and maca together which is why I did it myself; are these two the most effective?
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I know that 1g twice daily of avena sativa works quite well :D
 
Maca and Avena Sativa are just OTC supplements right? Can anyone kick me a brand name for referral? Prolab, Biotest, etc... What about adding Tribulus to it??????

Thanks guys!
 
Truth....


Did you take the avena sativa and the maca in split dosages...if so how many times a day and on what times?

Mr Pink
 
Also. how long should you wait to start the avena and maca? IS it 3 weeks after or should you start taking it before that?
 
there are lots of unanswered questions that i would like some info on:
1)when should you run this stuff (timing after cycle).
2)how much of what exactly will definitely work?
3)is it possible to attain these supplements at a GNC?
4)how much are these supllements?

thank you to anyone who can enlighten me!
 
Bump again, I too want more info. Are they natural products? Can you get them at GNC? What doses and when to start. Thanks, BamBam
 
As far i know they are all otc products, and i believe you can get zinc, maca at GNC, but I dont see Aventia there-- get it online bud. much cheaper
 
UPDATE ON MY NO CLOMID RECOVERY!!!

Hey bros, I posted about 2 weeks ago discussing my post cycle regimine without clomid, just wanted to give you guys an update, and answer some questions that I have missed (i've been busy with college exams and graduation) Anyways, to repeat my post cycle regimine was...
Avena Sativa 2500 mg/ ed
Maca 900 mg/ ed
Zinc 150mg/ ed
r-ALA 500mg/ ed
NoX2 by pinnacle 6000mg/ ed
Clen 80mcg/ ed
Cell-Tech 1 serving post workout every day
Liquidex .25mg/ ed
P-Seven 1/8 pipette 2x a day
Yohimburn 1 dose a day on abs

Its been almost 4 weeks since my last shot of test prop, and I'm at 188lbs, I ended the cycle at about 195lbs.... I've continued with all of the above except for the clen, i took a week off and am back on now.... At about week 3 I experienced some minor acne, mostly on my chest, but nothing to cry about... My strength hasn't gone down at all, and my sex drive is still through the roof! I've definately lost some body fat, and honestly think I look better than when i was on.... Overall, i'm very happy with my post cycle regimine, and would recommend you all to give it a try... Definately high doses with the avena and maca though, I'm also a big fan of P-Seven now, definately gets rid of the post cycle blues, at least for me.... OH, and i also added Phosphatidylserine at week 2, 500mg of Phosphatidylserine a day.

TO answer some questions...
I got the avena at vitaminshoppe.com, i got Solray brand, it was $7 for 100 capsules.... I got the maca at the vitaminshoppe as well, vitamin shoppe brand, $10. The NoX2 is pinnacle brand, and i got the rala and p-seven at anabolicfitness.net...... hope this helps bros....

TheTruth
 
I just ordered 2 avena from bac.
How much is in each one?
Do I need to order more?

Still looking for the best place to get MACA? I know most supplement stores carry it. Just looking for a cheaper place.
 
Dude,

All those products just to replace something as cheap as clomid. Good experiment...but bad for the wallet to find 10 products that do the same as 1.

Just my thoughts. I'm a clomid lover.

Time
 
great post. I would like to know how much time you have to run this post cycle therapy. In other words, how much time does it takes to bring back your test level to normal?

Wow, for the first time of my life I'm asking things rather than giving info. I've underestimated this board for too long I guess!
 
By the way Nelson, I've never bought any books other than scientific information (since it's my strongest asset). I don't believe in those "miracle" body building books but yours caught my attention and I'll buy it soon. Looks like there's a lot of valuable info in it!
 
Hcg and nolvadex would be fine to replace clomid. You have included things like clen, yohimburn, avena sativa that I would use anyways. Good thread though regardless.
 
what he hell is p-seven and for what it is????
 
P-seven is a product made by AF designed as amood enhancing topical compound. Many users report increased vascularity as well though, but I'm not sure if it is known what mechanism causes this effect.
 
That sounds like a nice little stack. I am going to be trying something similar when I am done. You forgot to throw in the TRIBULUS, for the increase in LH. I think that at a high dosage this is an important part of the recovery stack.
 
Koivu_11 said:
I still would love to know how much time this stack has to be ran.
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I have no problems with clomid...but I am also interested in the details of this post cycle therapy ie: did you start three weeks after your last shot? Did you gradually step up your dosages or did you frontload? And how long did or will you run them?

Great informative post....keep us updated:D
 
Nelson Montana said:
Glad to hear it went well for you Truth. Of course, I knew it will. Actually, your post cycle choices were pretty good.

Don't expect many responses to this. There are few people who want to face the fact that they've been wrong about Clomid, or god forbid-- I was right about it.

Better gains, no crash, no side effects,no drop in libido, no gyno. Hell, half the guys doing Clomid aren't doing that well, but if they did...they'd credit the Clomid.
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Will this natural cycle bring your balls back to normal size as well as Clomid?
 
biteme said:


Will this natural cycle bring your balls back to normal size as well as Clomid?
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That depends on the cycle -- which must be correct for this program to work. If you overdo it and your balls atrophy, you'll need HCG.
 
HCG always recover shrinked balls?
or are there any cases where the nuts got stucked forever?
 
The price difference is very minimal so I would think that wouldn't be a deciding factor. The benefit is that it is OTC & you don't have to risk being scammed. I'd like to see more testimony on those who have tried it. I am always open for new & safer ways of doing things. Although, clomid doesn't really affect me to badly as far as sides go. I get headaches for about the first week along with a cloudy kinda vision but, it goes away & isn't much of a nuisance. My question is, is it really kicking your HTPA in or is it simply making you horny? kinda like a natural viagra.
 
pitbullstl said:



I have no problems with clomid...but I am also interested in the details of this post cycle therapy ie: did you start three weeks after your last shot? Did you gradually step up your dosages or did you frontload? And how long did or will you run them?

Great informative post....keep us updated:D
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Hey bro, I actually ended my cycle with test prop so I started 2 days after my last shot.... I didn't exactly frontload with the doses of avena, maca, and zinc, I just gagued how much I should take by how my "equiptment" was working, and if I got morning wood or not... So I kinda just worked with the doses till I found one that was high enought to keep my libido up and stuck with it.... I just added some tribulus the other day, vitamin shoppe had a sale on one of their body tech products and it contained trib and avena sativa so I figured why not..... Peace

TheTruth
 
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