my pct failed HELP

[noodles1010]

ok so i just got my new blood tests back from the dr today and my test went from a 432 (before cycle) to a 203!!!! (post cycle)...
my lh and fsh are both in "normal range" but still low.... i did a test e cycle at 600mg wk and deca 250 wk plus last 6 weeks anavar 40mg ed. total 14 wk cycle.
pct was hcg for the first two weeks i dont remember off hand but was not high and eod for two wees. then hcgenerate as directed, forma stanzol as directed and forged steel as directed. i am currently still taking bridge.
my pct ended about 3 weeks ago and lasted a total of 8 weeks. this was my first cycle.
someone tell me something good like my levels are still regulating.... and if anyone has any ideas please let me know asap as i am currently shaking my head goin wtfffff
iam 6'1
180 lbs
11% bf
29 yrs old.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

ok so i just got my new blood tests back from the dr today and my test went from a 432 (before cycle) to a 203!!!! (post cycle)...
my lh and fsh are both in "normal range" but still low.... i did a test e cycle at 600mg wk and deca 250 wk plus last 6 weeks anavar 40mg ed. total 14 wk cycle.
pct was hcg for the first two weeks i dont remember off hand but was not high and eod for two wees. then hcgenerate as directed, forma stanzol as directed and forged steel as directed. i am currently still taking bridge.
my pct ended about 3 weeks ago and lasted a total of 8 weeks. this was my first cycle.
someone tell me something good like my levels are still regulating.... and if anyone has any ideas please let me know asap as i am currently shaking my head goin wtfffff
iam 6'1
180 lbs
11% bf
29 yrs old.

If ur fsh and lh are normal your good son ur just recovering deca is ah motha trucker!!! U ran test ah little high imo.

Look up half life. You inject 600 this week next week ull have 300 of that then the week 3 u inject anther 300 so 300+600=900 see how that works? So it goes down the same way test e is a 10.5 day ester so that barly cleared Im guessing about 3 weeks ago.

Where was your shbg at? And ur estadiol?

Hows ur sex drive?

You should of been doing this on cyc but it is very very crucial now eating well and lifting heavy.

Get some zinc take 100mg ed and magnesium 500mg ed. Take a good multivit

Dont wont bro your fine!!!! Takes time to heal esp off deca that could take a while

 

[noodles1010]

If ur fsh and lh are normal your good son ur just recovering deca is ah motha trucker!!! U ran test ah little high imo.

Look up half life. You inject 600 this week next week ull have 300 of that then the week 3 u inject anther 300 so 300+600=900 see how that works? So it goes down the same way test e is a 10.5 day ester so that barly cleared Im guessing about 3 weeks ago.

Where was your shbg at? And ur estadiol?

Hows ur sex drive?

You should of been doing this on cyc but it is very very crucial now eating well and lifting heavy.

Get some zinc take 100mg ed and magnesium 500mg ed. Take a good multivit

Dont wont bro your fine!!!! Takes time to heal esp off deca that could take a while

I never ran shbg or estadiol. My sex drive is kinda "if I get laid I get laid if not oh well". Def not like me. I didn't think that little amount of deca would have such a presence. I was only taking it for my joints.
Orig I was on 800mg week of t400 and jumped to 600mg of test e on week 6-8 or somewhere in there cause I ran out of t400.
Unfortunately I didnt check my Lh or fsh before cycle so I don't know where they were but I'm sure not where they are now. Generally speaking how long would it take to recover from something like this? On a guess obviously cause everyone's diff...

 

[dylangemelli]

I never ran shbg or estadiol. My sex drive is kinda "if I get laid I get laid if not oh well". Def not like me. I didn't think that little amount of deca would have such a presence. I was only taking it for my joints.
Orig I was on 800mg week of t400 and jumped to 600mg of test e on week 6-8 or somewhere in there cause I ran out of t400.
Unfortunately I didnt check my Lh or fsh before cycle so I don't know where they were but I'm sure not where they are now. Generally speaking how long would it take to recover from something like this? On a guess obviously cause everyone's diff...

your pct was a little incomplete man... if i was you, i would run some unleashed and forged pct right now for 4 weeks... i would even throw in some daa... this will ensure you the proper recovery at a quicker pace... you will recover but its going to take a while but if you run those, you will recover much faster...

 

[TheRippedReverend]

I never ran shbg or estadiol. My sex drive is kinda "if I get laid I get laid if not oh well". Def not like me. I didn't think that little amount of deca would have such a presence. I was only taking it for my joints.
Orig I was on 800mg week of t400 and jumped to 600mg of test e on week 6-8 or somewhere in there cause I ran out of t400.
Unfortunately I didnt check my Lh or fsh before cycle so I don't know where they were but I'm sure not where they are now. Generally speaking how long would it take to recover from something like this? On a guess obviously cause everyone's diff...

Of course it can take a big impact deca is part of the 19nor fam

Did you run prami or caber ur prolaction could be high

 

[joeblow12345]

This is why I stop deca at least 2 Weeks prior to test. I would also thtow in a low dose clomid with post cycle/ unleashed.

 

[noodles1010]

your pct was a little incomplete man... if i was you, i would run some unleashed and forged pct right now for 4 weeks... i would even throw in some daa... this will ensure you the proper recovery at a quicker pace... you will recover but its going to take a while but if you run those, you will recover much faster...

Excuse the ignorance... What is daa?


Also ran test 3 weeks past last deca shot.

Mixing clomid low dose is good with this? I thought people felt like shit on clomid?

Also never ran Casber or prami...

There's so many suggestions here I'm not sure what to do now. I'm taking the zing and magnesium as of last night, also running bridge still. I need one solid fool proof plan with time on, what I should take and how much guys.
Thanks fellas for not leaving me out here to figure this out on my own.

 

[oxymoron]

As the guys said above start a bottle of unleashed and post cycle as soon as u can get it delivered along with DAA. Clomid is optional. That wasnt the best first cycle and now ur pretty shut down. 400-500mg of test was all u needed and would've have gotten similar results and u'd be recovering much quicker IMO. A good joint supplement would've probably been better if u were adding in the deca just for joints.

What on-cycle support were u taking with the Test, Deca and Var?


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[noodles1010]

As the guys said above start a bottle of unleashed and post cycle as soon as u can get it delivered along with DAA. Clomid is optional. That wasnt the best first cycle and now ur pretty shut down. 400-500mg of test was all u needed and would've have gotten similar results and u'd be recovering much quicker IMO. A good joint supplement would've probably been better if u were adding in the deca just for joints.

What on-cycle support were u taking with the Test, Deca and Var?


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Wasn't taking anything on cycle. My boy who's pretty well experienced was walking me through it and had to go away for a while on a state funded "fishing trip" upstate lolol.. So elite has been my only source and reading to try and finish this the right way. Unfortunately when all this happened I was in week 8 or 9.
So here I am.
My Lh and fsh are in "normal range" bit low normal range and my test is 203 where normal range is 243-800. Pc I was at 483. So I'm dropping the bridge for now and gonna run hcgenerate and aromasin at 12.5 eod for 3 weeks and get another test done after that. I'm recovering from a full shut down, just very slow. Gonna try and speed it up...

 

[noodles1010]

Of course I'll be doing all this while lifting like a fucking animal and eating as much of a clean diet as I can handle.
Also I'm taking zinc and magnesium as stated above.

 

[stevesmi]

you should of ran hcgenerate during cycle not after, and you needed caber or prami as well as an AI during.

all in all not sure what you are worried about. as said by reverand you are still in recovery mode. your last injection of deca would take 5-6 weeks to clear the body in low enough levels for the body to start recovery. yeah you could of done things better, the timing of things was off etc. but hopefully you learn from these mistakes and next time you don't repeat them.

if you want fast recovery just don't run deca or any long esters again. stick to short esters.

if you run another test in 3 weeks your LH and test will be higher. your body is obviously picking things up if your LH is back within range now if your LH was near 0 then i would be worried, but its not.. highly risky not running caber or prami + an AI during cycle, you could of easily gotten gyno.. don't make that mistake again with deca

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Wasn't taking anything on cycle. My boy who's pretty well experienced was walking me through it and had to go away for a while on a state funded "fishing trip" upstate lolol.. So elite has been my only source and reading to try and finish this the right way. Unfortunately when all this happened I was in week 8 or 9.
So here I am.
My Lh and fsh are in "normal range" bit low normal range and my test is 203 where normal range is 243-800. Pc I was at 483. So I'm dropping the bridge for now and gonna run hcgenerate and aromasin at 12.5 eod for 3 weeks and get another test done after that. I'm recovering from a full shut down, just very slow. Gonna try and speed it up...

Where is your estrogen at?

You dont wanna get you e to low!!!

Look heres what u do

Run hcgenerate 2 weeks
A dex 12.5

Take bloods two weeks after see where ur at.

It takes time to recover!!! This is normal I myself and Stevesmi already told you what to do. Add this in there it wont hurt.

Add zinc and magnesium as mentioned.

Daa is good its asparatic acid natty test

All you need is hcgenerate imo if ur lh and fsh is fine your fine!!! Ur BALLS are working hints ur lh is normal. If anything I take unleashed before d-aa imo free test is most important. Or u could take nothing and just let ur body heal natty just take longer.

Your buddy has no clue what hes/was doing!!! ALWAYS take prami or caber with a 19nor!!! Its progesterone. Its gonna take longer for you to heal.

D-aa is awsome for pct also but in this case Id do what we talked about. If you went and got daa too id get n2kts and add daa to that drink b4 gym get n2amp ull be throwing weights around like a champ!!!

Good luck. Your worring too much this is what you signed up for! Welcome to the life of AAS!

And dont take advice from ur buddy anymore! Deca can take a Looong time to heal from regardless of I only ran 300-200..... Or I ran test past deca thats means shits u just suppressed urself more!

 

[noodles1010]

Thank you guys. I'll follow what you said.
Like u said its what I signed up for.
No regrets other than not talking to you guys sooner. Next time I won't
Make the same mistake

 

[noodles1010]

Thanks for taking the time to help. I don't like putting people out there but I spoke with needto (nate) this morn on the phone and after telling him everything he said run 12.5 of aromasin (from chemneed) eod and hcgenerate for three weeks.
What do you think, aside from what we already discussed.
I don't know my estrogen levels. I ran forma stanzol for 8 weeks I believe during pct.
I guess I'm kinda panicking cause my sex drive has CRASHED in the past two weeks. I still get wood when it's time to do work, but if I don't fuck then it's no big deal. Not like me at all. That mixed with my test results and seeing a low test level i freaked. Needto agrees that as long as my lh and fsh are in range im recovering but recommended the above to boost test and stimulate... So hope that explains the rambling. That and just wanting to know more about everything ya know....
You guys are awesome I can't thank yous enough for taking the time. I appreciate it.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Thanks for taking the time to help. I don't like putting people out there but I spoke with needto (nate) this morn on the phone and after telling him everything he said run 12.5 of aromasin (from chemneed) eod and hcgenerate for three weeks.
What do you think, aside from what we already discussed.
I don't know my estrogen levels. I ran forma stanzol for 8 weeks I believe during pct.
I guess I'm kinda panicking cause my sex drive has CRASHED in the past two weeks. I still get wood when it's time to do work, but if I don't fuck then it's no big deal. Not like me at all. That mixed with my test results and seeing a low test level i freaked. Needto agrees that as long as my lh and fsh are in range im recovering but recommended the above to boost test and stimulate... So hope that explains the rambling. That and just wanting to know more about everything ya know....
You guys are awesome I can't thank yous enough for taking the time. I appreciate it.

Nothing wrong with 3 weeks give it ah run. That is what I would do or its actually what I have done 

Likewise if ur sex drive is crashed u should get prolatin looked at. That will crush it and since you didnt take prami or caber ur prolaction was on fire and prob still ah little high. Higher test isnt what makes libido thats other issues like prolactin for one.

If i was you id get that done you might need caber or prami also

When my test was at 299 I was fucking like a beast still!!!

 

[noodles1010]

Out of curiosity what is the "proper way" to do a test/deca or test/ tren cycle and pct?

 

[noodles1010]

Can I take caber without fucking myself up of it isn't prolactin?

 

[noodles1010]

I can't keep running weird blood tests my insurance is gonna flag me and I'm gonna get fucked

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Bro, Tren beats you worse than deca both 19 nor. Its a long list. The biggest thing is you need to take is prami or caber.

Heres ur main things on aas

Cholesterol
Blood pressure
Cortizol
Liver
Kidney
Heart
Estrogen

Theres one different thing to add to that with 19nor which is progesterone. Tren will mess with your cortizol level like no other which you need t3, taurine level get messed with bad, kidney..... Too much to go thru

Pay attention to the last statement!:

Prolactin is found in both men and women. It is designed to stimulate milk production in pregnant women. It also enlarges a woman's mammary glands in order to allow her to prepare for breastfeeding. Its role in fertility is to regulate ovulation and menstrual cycles.
What is Prolactin?

Prolactin is a hormone that is secreted by your pituitary gland, a pea-sized gland found below the brain. Prolactin is found in both men and women and is released at various times throughout the day and night. As the name suggests, the role of prolactin is to stimulate milk production in pregnant women. It also enlarges a woman's mammary glands in order to allow her to prepare for breastfeeding.

Prolactin and Infertility

Prolactin doesn't just cause your body to increase milk production - it also affects your ovulation and menstrual cycles. (This is why women who are breastfeeding rarely get pregnant). Prolactin inhibit two hormones necessary for ovulation: follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH). When you have high levels of prolactin in your blood (a condition called hyperprolactinemia), you will not ovulate and this will result in infertility. This anovulation can also cause you to have irregular cycles.

Normal levels.

Prolactin levels are measured using different units in different laboratories, and this can cause considerable confusion. Traditionally, prolactin levels were measured in ng/ml, and normal prolactin levels in women are less than 20 ng/ml. The new units are pmol/l and to convery you need to multiply by 44. This means the normal level is less than 700 pmol/l or mIU/L

A low level is of no clinical importance.

High prolactin levels can cause anovulation. Some women with hyperprolactinemia may also notice that they have a milky discharge from their breasts. This is called galactorrhea. Patients with pituitary tumours have very high levels - typically more than 100 ng/ml.

A high prolactin level could sometimes just be because of stress - and even the stress of doing a venepuncture for drawing a blood sample can cause an artificial elevation in your prolactin levels. This means that if your levels are high, they should be re-checked, to reconfirm this diagnosis, before proceeding further.

A marginal elevation of your prolactin level is unlikely to be of any clinical importance, so don't worry too much about this. Unfortunately, we find that some doctors are so focussed to " treating high prolactin levels" that they suspend further testing or treatment if they find the levels are high. This is not sensible. The infertility workup should be completed.

It's also common for women with PCOD to have mildly elevated prolactin levels.

High prolactin levels in men

Men can also have high prolactin levels. Typically, these men have azoospermia, decreased libido and erectile dysfunction. While this is not common, if diagnosed properly, it can be very effectively treated with medications !

I would seriously look into ur prolatin u can test by urself.

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[needtogetaas]

Couple things . Yes next time drop the deca 2 weeks before he test.
Run a oral DHT the last 4 weeks of a deca cycle is also a plus like provirone 25 to 50mg a day

And we spoke on the phone about the rest of your plan already so you are golden..

 

[liffalot]

Couple things . Yes next time drop the deca 2 weeks before he test.
Run a oral DHT the last 4 weeks of a deca cycle is also a plus like provirone 25 to 50mg a day

And we spoke on the phone about the rest of your plan already so you are golden..

25 mg prov is plenty in my opinion if you're running it with another DHT

 

[stevesmi]

I would give it more time and test again.

you got good advice above me. if your LH and FSH are in range then test levels will follow as i said earlier. you haven't given it enough time yet.

 

[noodles1010]

Thanks guys Appreciate all the help and advice....