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I decided I am gonna venture into the tren world. however popping my tren cherry I am gonna do a conservative cycle. this is what my plan is.

tren ace 100mg EOD for weeks 1-6
masteron 100mg EOD weeks 6-9
test (long esther) weeks 1-9, with the esthers included will push me to 12 weeks.
dostinex/cabaser small dose with tren every 4 days.

hcg low dose weeks 3-9, then high dose 9-12. followed by 2 shots of HMG, and 6 weeks of clomid at 25mg ED, then unleashed/post cycle.

its not a crazy cycle but i should get some outstanding results. I want to run the tren and masteron separate, i know guys like to run them together.. why? because I like to experiment and see what kind of results I get with both by themselves.. with the short esthers with both I should get a clear answer.
right now I am all natty and my gains have become stagnant although I am busting my ass in the gym. had a guy few days ago tell me "all that juice you are doing is going to your head, I used to play baseball I can tell by looking at you that you are taking dbol" I told his smart ass that I wasn't taking a thing right now, i got a kick out of the whole arguement. he didn't believe me but i was like okay. anyway if people are gonna think I am on steroids, i might as well be on them right? lol

this is a rough sketch, I have spent months thinking and studying and reading you guys comments.. I am all ears to hear others opinions.

thoughts? comments?

for the noobs who haven't followed me. I've run 2 deca cycles, and a primo cycle. all have been 8-10 weeks long. i've also nibbled with dbol, drol, and have experimented with several different PCT's.
5'6" 182 pounds.. 14% bf. early 30's.

goal is to get stronger and put on more muscle while keeping my bf% constant or lowering it.
 
sounds like a good idea steve ,good luck,the tren is short enough recovery should be a snap! is it tren ACE?
 
Tren Ace is a short ester and the only way I go Steve. I would not recommend going over 100 EOD due to sides however you will love it. I never have run it with Mast however I run it with Test E and its fantastic. Keep us updated.
 
I have run tren e with masteron e and test along with some other stuff. I didn't mind the sides, but they aren't light either. You gotta have fortitude. If I may, I would run the mast for the whole cycle and and in test. I had a friend who did tren only and it shut him down quick. And another who was running test that was under-dosed it fucked with him too. I'm not saying what you have planned out is bad at all, but my personal preference is to use test with it and the mast as I suggested.
 
thanks arab. I will update you guys as always.

and from the research i've done i agree that ace is the better way to go. if anything if the sides are too bad I can always drop the dose or stop it altogether and the esthers will be out fast. i'm most excited about masteron too, think it will be nice icing on the cake.

Chesty: thats awesome man, thanks for your opinion. I am still debating this cycle. i still have a couple months before it gets started so I am still soliticing ideas and opinions. you are right, my last cycle my test was underdosed when i changed brands towards the end of it (wont mention the brand, dont want to break any rules) but lets just say i wont be using them again and it wasn't fun at all. the test will be run weeks 1-9 so i should be covered.. i've got 2 different brands so if 1 fails me then i will switch to the other.. but i am confident in both
 
Body fat not a problem. My last cycle I started at 18% and ended at 8%.
 
superdave said:
14% ?

may want to lower that also bor
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Hes actually at an advantage running tren with that BF , because Tren will shred him up and make him huge at that size. Remember Dave, Tren was a steroid that was originally designed to put lean muscle mass on cattle and it worked so well , it became a staple in the meat community. Tren is awesome
 
Arabian said:
Hes actually at an advantage running tren with that BF , because Tren will shred him up and make him huge at that size. Remember Dave, Tren was a steroid that was originally designed to put lean muscle mass on cattle and it worked so well , it became a staple in the meat community. Tren is awesome
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its also toxic as fuck but whatever works
 
stevesmi said:
hmmm... not sure about that. where did u read that?
think that's a misnomer perpetuated by the early studies of Parabolan. The Hydrohexacarbonate ester was toxic. trenbolone is not.
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i didnt mean toxic like its radiation or anything, i just meant its a very strong drug with side effects that can be very difficult to bear for many.
 
superdave said:
i didnt mean toxic like its radiation or anything, i just meant its a very strong drug with side effects that can be very difficult to bear for many.
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I'm aware. thats why I am running ace (short esther) EOD and only for 6 weeks. if it bothers me i have no qualms about stopping it.

heck I might even take a week off from it and switch in masteron instead and then switch back.

bottom line is its time for me to take it to the next level. been lifting for 13 years, and the past 3 years have been working aleast EOD for 1 hour. 3 cycles run and 3 cycles recovered from. and now its time to run tren. i wouldn't recommend tren to a noob at all, trust me on that.
 
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You will love the tren would you consider extending masteron to 5-6 weeks then you could over lap with tren and run it without tren get to see results from both perspectives!! Start masteron week 4 I'd think you would love this tren test masteron is so sick hard dense veiny muscle and retarded strength
 
^^thanks homes. that sounds like an excellent idea, I just might have to overlap then for a couple weeks ..

also i forgot to ask you tren guys about gauge size. I like to use 22 or 23G usually.. but heck if i can get away with a 25G for masteron and tren i will go that route. whats a good size to use? with primo 25G took forever, that stuff is thick.
 
Tren shutdown is fucking harsh as well, probably the one thing that scares me most about it
 
I guess you can look forward to that 14% going down some what with teh trens noted fat burning ability
 
stevesmi said:
^^thanks homes. that sounds like an excellent idea, I just might have to overlap then for a couple weeks ..

also i forgot to ask you tren guys about gauge size. I like to use 22 or 23G usually.. but heck if i can get away with a 25G for masteron and tren i will go that route. whats a good size to use? with primo 25G took forever, that stuff is thick.
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25 guage is fine brother!!
 
Just run the "andromix" or "ripped" much more cost effective bro
 
I was gonna run tren during the summer but opted out I've dropped from 12-9% in under 6 weeks on tbol/mast/primo can't wait to start the mhn and drop down to 6% haven't lost a lb of muscle either ;)
 
are you worried about the tren shutting you down in the first two weeks since you are using a long estered test and tren ace is short estered? not sure if thats possible but just something to think about. anybody know if thats possible?
 
indianagymjunkie said:
are you worried about the tren shutting you down in the first two weeks since you are using a long estered test and tren ace is short estered? not sure if thats possible but just something to think about. anybody know if thats possible?
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Yes it's possible ,the only way to know for sure is to try it!
 
indianagymjunkie said:
are you worried about the tren shutting you down in the first two weeks since you are using a long estered test and tren ace is short estered? not sure if thats possible but just something to think about. anybody know if thats possible?
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hmmmm... that will be interesting man. i could run sustanon the first couple weeks and then run cyp the rest of the way. since sustanon has a couple esthers that kick in quickly.
 
Steve, I've been following alot of your cycles as I have run similar to yours. I'm just finishing my test/primo/var cycle and am researching my next cycle and thinking of tren ace as well. After this current primo cycle I'm thinking of doing a cycle with 6 weeks tren ace 16 weeks primo. I have fallen in love with primo so don't want to stop. How do you think this combo would work? Still a long ways off and I have to learn about tren/cabaser etc so in the early research stages but curious right now what you would think about this.
 
thatbloke said:
lol bro u gonna get to week 5 or 6 of the tren and decide to run it all the way through HAHAHA

have fun :)
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This is one of the addicted qualities of tren, i loved it so much that i didn't want to come off,each day i noticed a "new " me.
 
Blaster22 said:
Steve, I've been following alot of your cycles as I have run similar to yours. I'm just finishing my test/primo/var cycle and am researching my next cycle and thinking of tren ace as well. After this current primo cycle I'm thinking of doing a cycle with 6 weeks tren ace 16 weeks primo. I have fallen in love with primo so don't want to stop. How do you think this combo would work? Still a long ways off and I have to learn about tren/cabaser etc so in the early research stages but curious right now what you would think about this.
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I loved primo. the best thing about it is that your gains you make stick and are easy to keep after. i would say I've kept 95% of my gains off my primo cycle and if you look at my pic on my profile my biceps FINALLY grew to where I am sleeveless and people notice.. i added 3/4 inch to them and the gains have stuck.
a lot of people have said it takes a while to notice gains, but I will say I noticed a difference after just 2 weeks.. just a more defined look. it wasn't anything crazy, but there was definately a difference, although slow.

from what i've been researching on tren though it seems like masteron and winny r the best thing to stack with it. which is why I decided to run tren weeks 1-6, and then masteron weeks 3-9 along with test. the 3 weeks of overlap are gonna be amazing.

and then after I think I will have a good idea of tren and masteron's potential.

i think if this cycle works out I am gonna start alternating primo, masteron, and tren. I am done with deca maybe for good... it put a lot of mass on me but it also put on the bf
 
primo and mast enanthate kicked in exactly week 6 for me nothing but smooth sailing from here on
 
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